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The CDP // Ep22: Hitched! ๐Ÿคตโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ‘ฐ๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ our Man just got it done, let's talk about wedding among other things.

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And thank you all for joining us onceagain episode number twenty two of the clever dummies podcast. I am your host.There's always lock. You joined once and again on this beautiful Tuesdayevening by Nick Halyo going my brother. I am great, you know loving life asalways, because you know you cannot love life enough. As Tho say. How areyou going yeah? That's right! Migh, love! I've read a couple of fortune toAr Quiis Live, love, learn you know, and that's very, very key. Thistremultuous life, but now I'm doing absolutely outstanding, as you couldimagine, ate still riding very much a high of what I'm sure is going to be atheme of this podcast that what really has been the theme of the large portportion of my life, an that was the wedding that we had on Friday,obviously married my beautiful bride, Charlotte and Yeah Ma. I am absolutelycharging went back to work on Monday, so no honeymoon yet to be to continueto be to be had later on this year, but I'm doing excellent Mat. How are youbuddy? You've just started a new job ament year I have. I Have I've, definitely stornea new job. It's been, you know, it's been prettygood, it's my second week into this new job, but obviously I will get back toyou on the update on a proper, proper update on the job. Let's say in thenext episode or the following episode. So give me a couple more weeks before Ican make a solid judgment as what I have to say about my colleagues and youknow, yeah to decide oo also figure out if they're going to listen to this o Toejus Someitat Pot Ol. My talkingpoints ahead for tonight I just skipp to the bottom, one ten dotay Helli'Mtak iay, well, let'slet's. Let's get to e theelephant in the room, or should I say, there's no elephent in the Roop, butlet's get to the main, topping doptoping Qit talking poyit right,which is you got hited as they said, which isthe name of this episode by the way test in cass you're wondering you got hitched now, that's very good,like w. no wedding bells was maybe a good one. It is what it is, you know,is always a good. You feel like, I feel like we can go to the world with thatone, and you know what, if we're not really sure it is what it is a fallinplace, but yea now, that's a really good da Ites, what it is yeah, so itwas, it was just excellent. That's I think maybe a recap might be theeasiest way to Seguei. What do you reckon yeah? Well, let's g start with it startwith start with a RECA, but before you dothat, I have a got I've, a couple of questions and then you answer them andthen you got into the REGAP. I think you'll kind of give your room to startoff as well right, first question es which is simple, andI already know the anter, but I still want you to say it: How r you feeling I'm feeling really really good feelingamazing! It's a question. I've had asked acouple of times over the last few days like do. I feel with any different likehow my feeling, obviously, first and foremost, I feel really good, like Ifeel excited, I'm still feel. Like I'm buzzing from the event. You know it wassomething that we've spoken about before, but it was, you know, really a brainstorm thatwe've had, since you know my birthday in two thousand and nineteen when Ifirst proposed, but I think it wasn't until we attended a wedding expoe to atthe golf course where, when it first tartas become reality, they I you knowwe're actually getting married witrh doing the dam thing, and that was youknow, July of two twousand and nineteen, so that sord June. So that's you knowthe better part of edded months even longer than eddid month. So relief isdefinitely one leading up the week of in particular, but really the last fewmonths was relatively stressful because you just want the Dato be very the good.So I think a big part of that kind of enjoyment is like relief. It's justlike. If you have a big report to Er, you've got some work that needs to bedone and you've been working out it for so long, like I'm kind of writing thebuzz off that. But the other part of the question that people wanted to knowis like. Does it feel any different? Like you know, you're you're marriednow? How does it feel- and I think it does and to my surprise, a lot ofpeople were surprised by that they've. Like maybe heard the opposite, thevehad asked that question to other people. H Ave been told different things, but Imean I just you know. Maybe I was surprised a little bit. I wasn't reallysure how I'd feel afterwards, but I just feel I feel amazing, because Ifeel, like you know I've. You know mainshil. I've been together for nearlyseven years, so in terms of like the frame work, an the fabric, Hafrelationship, not a lot really changes, but in my heart and in my soul and thelove that I have for Charlotte has just grown and grown even more and now thatI'm officially married to it. It just feels like you know, it just feelsamazing. It's actually really. I can't articulate exactly why I actually don'twant to really think too much about why it feels different, but it just does itjust feels like you know it's just different bro like it's just amazing.You know...

...sorry that was awesome. You know what Iwas talking for thirty second day and I had my miht mute. That's no good! It is what it is. I wasthinking yea Wat, I I footnote. We've gone back to the asing cast that I wasworried, but now continue. One would just slouh that okay B, so it wouldn'tbe a podcast with that yeah. It wouldn't be a podcast right. So whatI was going to say was when you said that right when you said, I can'texplain the why, and I don't really want to explain the why what I wasgoing to say was this. This is really brilliant book by Simon Cynic all startwith Wye Right and it's one of my old time, favorite books and the book talksabout our. Why, as to do why we do things andwhy we feel things and why we feel certain way is, is closely linked to how our self identity and that area ofbrain that that is in charge of feelings, right and then giving youthat decision making enpowerment is is quite, is the opposite side of thearticulation of the word, the speaking area of the brain sor. There's athere's, a there's, a disconnect between us being able to explain ourtrue intentions: lesstial our on tentacity, because it's just notit's not just not possible. I just don't think humans are there yet. Soyou know it's pretty interesting. So normally, when you can't explainsomething is because you trulhy arswer, like a yeah, it's like a level ofarticulation that is so closely related to our motions that we're not quite atthat stage of like articulation of it. Maybe a hundred percent. It's like yeah! It'slike it's like you ask me right. If you ask me to explain to you and I'm not even a scientist, if youask me to explain, Qonto mechanics to you right I'll, give it a short right,and I will I will get pre- probably not that's a bad example iyte right. If you ask me to explain to you howgoogles algorithm pork right, I will explain it to you with logic riht. Butif you ask me to explain why are my friends with you? Why have I beenfriends with you for you know, ten or years right, I will give you thereasons that any logical person would give you, but I couldn't tell youexactly why. What is it that you know keeps us so strongly? Boran and we'vealways started rationalized reasons. Prise, never thoes recently somethingdeeper than that, and I think that those articulation goes that that isunarticulateble. If that's the word yeah, that's that's A. I think. That'sa really good way to summarize it and is good way to think about what was thebook again start with Wi by Simon synic that wiy FY yea IAVE heard of it. Iwadit ALADD IT to my list for sure and I think ID kind of just had lepiphany alittle bit in my own head. The big you know, one of the biggestthings with marriage in the Christian faith is the bonding of two souls. So Ithink that we're in the spiritual process of now, with both ourselvescoming together as one which is kind of the what happens when two people getmarried and they commit themselves in that way. So I think that's probablywhat it is in my own mind as well, which is pretty pretty amazing, Tho.Think about too that's what it feels amazing. That's why it's hard tototally articulate, I think as well, because Idon't have any pridor experience to relate it to well. That's exactly right and- and Ihope this will be your last experience and I truly do hope. You know MEA yeah. I hope the nextwedding is, I you or territs my friend. Well, that's exactly right! That'sexactly right and you know look or maybe Reasi Li, so that was the first wellynever mers man. It could be asorry could be anyone. You know: That's thet, you were you opened a let's justsay: Youve you went out, you opened up the bearing you, know, first drop andnow got a whole Tama in front of you who can carry the carry the game on youknow. We said a yeah you put on a good semity for in the you put on a goodsevity, four on the scoreboard, from here, its O sunshining ribors, so at's. How brilliant is a seventyfour score for opening Batman. I just love that, like that seventy fournumber yeah specially off about forty horers,you know he's just going out. There is yeah dad deep he's got the shofle out acouple of times at you know, he's face the new ball off, he's got the boys inand if you ever get a seventy four and...

...opening partnership, you've takenplenty of shot off the ball and and the headis are going to come in and put totwo fifty three hundred on the board. So S it's a great time. It's all. Thisis that's exactly right. You know you Coul, you could. Obviously everyone'sgoal is to heat. A hundred, but you know I think seventy four is just it'sjust the money. It gives everyone a bit of a chance as well. You know. So it'sthat's. That's brilliant Mat! If you're Everyo, se O l, you be the best bestmen I the world, so it is what it is in eas, Aites all right. So that was aclose question and with a little bit of a Ou, know aprone now anotheranotherquestion, which is once again around the feeling right explain. Well, youprobably want people to explain, but I hope you can do your best to explainthe feeling. You know when when get that in that sense said youknow, hey we go, you know you may kiss the bride the thing, so you know themoment a ive he gave he gave it to my nephew and he did so like a bit of a Baxor. Ithink I've touched on it before so I'mjust about to cough. So my dad me and Charlotte asked my dadabout Addi months ago or yeah bad Aigtte muts ago to be the celebrate ofthe wedding. So essentially he did the service. You know he was the one thatwrote all the formalities up and provided the service. You know, Youlsee the photos and you see in the background was so amazing and for it tobe my dad, it just felt really great and so because he wasn't a licensecelebrant. We officially got married the day before a guy named Simet, Simon,joy, Shat it so I'm enjoye his an amazing celebrante he'd been doing itfor twenty years and he was a lovely dude and he gave us like a little miniceremony at our house and it was really pretty. It was really beautiful. We hadsmall amount of family, their friends and we officially got married. That wasawesome, but I knew we decided the right thing that night, because it justit's different when it's family, you know what I mean and even though hewould have done great and he's got. A good personalithe is very good at hisjob. The fact that my dad was the one doing it was was really amazing andthen, when it was all wrapped up, we went for the process of the wedding andwhen he finally said that and we I had abbe in my arm and we'v KissedOfficially, I guess, as you know, as bride and groom for the first time itwas just. It was just like a it was just pureeuphoria and it was just like it was just the most amazing feeling in theworld. Think of like the best moment of your life or one of the better momentsof your life. It was like that, but it was all seded around love, so itwas just. It was just really amazing and the fact that obviously was my dadwho was doing it just made it. You know ten times more special, absolutely it was it was. Obviously Iwas there for anyone who listening doesn't know that you're closer thanone point five meters o Tel- that much I was. I was definitely closein te onefor five meters. You know I was it was it was just you know. I was. I am goodat I'm good at anything that comes to emotional mediating. My emotions, I'm,like you know what Gotat this is the moment to like. You, know, stay incomposure and look good and do all the fun stuff, but, but I was like I wasthat was, I was holding back few tears ill. Tellyou that they were not tears of you. There were tears of joy and justhappiness that Lo gos yeah in love. It was absolutely beautiful and you knowyour bals were beautiful right. But when Charlotte read up when CharlotteRed Out Ho was, I was like Yeahk, I love you, but hers were justgetthe. They gave me a ter and I tell you what man I was I was. I was theunderdog coming into the reception speech mught. I had to punch a fairwher. She absolutely ice it didn't she. Yes, she did. She did. She did and thenAl en your speech now that was that was the one that gave me Tis. I was likeOhyou're working the crowd you're walking around your, like you know,looking at people making high contact, I was say this is brillant. This isabsolutely brilliant. It doesn't get better than that yeah. It was crazybecause I I knew kind of the framework of what I was going to say, but I wasso nervousleading up like I maybe had half a beer beforehand andtraditionally a lot of people get really drunk. Whatever reason they justwant to feel happy whatever it is. I knew I needed to stay relatively, ifnot completely soberd, to fill the full extent of the emotions and that wentright the way through basically to the reception and I ate some food, and Iwas like a really Novous I'g like because I'm the type of person, if Idon't say something well like I'll, think about this for month. You know, Imean I'll, be dirty o myself. So that's what led to the nerves- and youobviously spoke amazingly- and I want to touch on that- a little bit later.Your thought about what Holp your role and everything else will get to thatafter and also my great mator, Alex came outof nowhere and kind of shot me I didn't realize he was going to talk even knowhthat was afterward sa than my dad spoke really well. My sister did too, but Ijust was wanted to speak from the heart and then, as soon as I got out thereand I started talking and I'm like H, I'm in the groove it just like I've hitthe first one out of the middle, and I felt like I could have gone on, not myI had to like I had to like Bob and...

...weave like I just felt so good man and-and I kind of feel like I am in a really amazing sense- hey, like I kindof figured out the solution to my anxiety that I have with publicspeaking and that's the mindset that I have to get in in order to speak infront of people, and once I realize that I'm like Wow, I've just conqueredlike a really big fear of mind. So that was also really amazing to and the bigthing that I knew that I felt like I did well. Obviously, people told me Idid well. That is what it is like. You can take that how you like, but I canbarely remember any of it, so I don't have nothing the only time I rememberanything is when I fucked up and I don't feel like I did anything wrong.So I'm super happy. Maybe I wish that one recorded it, but also it's tout anether, and you know it is what it is. So I was so proud of it yeah it was, itwas, which is amazing yeah. It was brilliant, it's interesting becausequickly. I just wanted to touch on one thing before we move on, and that wasthe tears thing like. I was thinking about that today, as well as like formost of my life, and most of our lives like tears, have been closelyassociated with like negtive things like you got into trouble, or somethingreally traumatic happened, and that's why I feel like now as adults, we'revery good its impressing those emotions, because we've had that experience withit and like I've, had real difficulty crying in situations when I reallywanted to and I'm starting to realize that we can also cry for love and joyand excitement and happiness, and when those, when that's what you want to cryover, it's actually a lot easier to release that blocker that you have upwhen it's Cramar. It's almost sometimes like what you want to do when it's theother way round. Think about that and just let it go Ifeel like that, would really help o a hundred percent. I agree- and Iabsolutely agree and when I when I speak when I was saying like I trulyit's like I was, I was Gen that there was a levelof emotion that I couldn't explain. In my words, like we were talked aboutbefore right, yeah, H, norally, the closest thing I could link it to wascrying right, but in saying that I was also so like excited about for you and like so inthe moment that I, like, I didn't really because I was I w if it wasalmost like. If I it's hard to explain in my head, itmakes sense, which was if I was if I started tearing up, I felt like I feltlike I was going to spend more time being in woods than being. You know inthe moment, yeah if that makes sense. So I think that's why I was. I feltmore easy to be in the moment and focus on what's happening right now and thenyeah, you forget about e emotion very quickly, because I was like okay. Thisis next thing is exciting. This is funny and then yeah, that's right. YouDon ant of you. You kind of you go into a little bit of like self reflectionmode when you cry. Sometimes they like it becomes very internalized and youkind of yeah that that makes a lot of sense yeah, because soon, as you Gywhener, we cry, there's a there's, a inner inne cinema going on right. Yousee flashes of what we been through and what's mean happening, but that momentwas way too good to have been Abi fla to be having flashes or you know,because yeah yea yes TI. I think now it feels easier to cryabout the Hatt of happiness. Then it did at that point a make sense totallytotally yes yeah, but yeah. U Aybe a little bit of rewarrying for all of usthere too, because I feel definitely that's the case for me also yeah,absolutely so I think, look overall or all pretty pretty brilliant and- and Ithink I am this- I'm the Sayme- but you said upon speech Swhich, I made I wrote whole speech out and I think Imentioned this dyear before yeah. I went so opscript like nothing. I justlike yeah gone. I think I understand why and I think I might have even askedyou. But what was your thought process behind that? Because- and I'm sure yousaid mostly what you wanted to say but like when you go into that sort ofsetting? Why do you choose to speak from like your heart and mind insteadof what you wrote down and prepared? Well, it was it just seemed to it seemed like I did wonc similar storysimilar to what I was saying before. If I SAI, if I was trying to read and tryto remember what I wrote in the funny thing is I had memorize a speech, but Ijust wanted to have the phone in front of me to say: Hol Wt what was t itgoing to talk about right yeah, so you Gota stuck up there right did get astuck up ther, but when I, when I got up there, I had punt so muchto say that I was like us, no fucking pointactually looking at what I wrote because yeah that was yeah noweverything is chaging like that. I guess better. If you can do that andlike it some people speech. Writing is good, especially if you're notcomfortable. Talking in front of others, but if you feel like you can speak fromthe heart, always do it, I like always do it, even if it's never as clean andtidy. I feel like when you're looking at words like you're, focusing more onhow and what you're saying, instead of just letting it go and kind of lethinggo, is like the big part of it too right. Well, that's exactly right! Sothat was it was. It was pretty interesting and it's interestingbecause...

...when I start when I started speaking atthe beginning, I was like you know what Tis that and obviously coming up witthings. It's so interesting because having people there that I knew made itmuch more difficult to talk at big at the beginning, thwhen I first got the mice, obviously trying to MC right yeah, knowing thatthere were people that I knew made, I much harder than talking in front oflike I've. toked in like you know, for example, conferences or big meetings. I' it's always been easy, because I don't really care about those people,if that makes sense right, yeah and yes, but when I, when I talk to those people,it's almost like I'm talking to the void right. So I don't really I'm notreally thinking of any of them, I'm just giving them what I think o. How doyou go with eye contact when you're speaking like in that setting on that is mostly I'll pick a couple ofpeople and I'll just look at them. Yeah like I'll look around the room and I'llacknowledge them and a lot of the time I ean way more control, so anotherespotic small example of this idea e little. I gave a little presentation ofthis new implementation. The system we're going to implement today right-and I was just looking at one other person that I had in mind that I knewwas going Na. You know that will benefit of from a lot, and so I say Isaid, Hey, you know jerry the NAM Wasson Jerry Right. I waslike you know, Terry Soa, you Yeah Jack Jerry. You have particular issue. Wecould work with that. That would be that Wall wore I put on night and thenthat person was like yeah absolutely so it's much like in that send is muchmore power driven versus. In that sense, itwas all vulnerability, because I knew everyone- and I was there speaking onlike almost on behalf of my best friend, so it was a lot more real. It wasn't. You know it wasn'tabout the things that I'm good at it wasn't about. You know totally Ri there,O yeah, so migt I've heard a roommate. Is this true? Have you been gettingpeople at work to call you Jeff Jeresy? Actually, as in Jeff bayzos Hi mean I've bee pushing for it. Yeahjustyeacall me Esyeah that Wer podcast other day, but I think there's aserious digi, witd ed to be Deo. That anywaybut, like the eye contact thing,was really weird for me, because normally I like the iy contact, becauseit is personal there's also something to about as looking directly at someone,those that you sometimes can get a little bit distracted and you forgetwhat you're going to say. I guess the only thing for me is because I needed Iwas like. I really had to be thinking about what I was saying, because Ididn't have it in front of me. I looked at people, but I didn't look directlyat them. If that made sense, and maybe that's the only thing take awaynegative, not negative, but the only thing I wish I did better is. I waslike specifically aver it like man. If I could have done that thing again, Iwould have like anyway t doesn't matter. I worder likespecific ly that it's all right, it's all right! Well, it doesn't, it doesn'twork like I mean think about it. You've got what sixty seventy people orseventy old people in the room. How are you going to like you know who yougoing to choose to look at Anyway Right S, that Ma yeah a ittle, differentwho'do? You choose to give your eye contact to anyway, so it's easier tothan its. What I was doing. I was the most to spend time that I spent lookingat. Was You and Charlotte more so and then a couple of other people yeahofunny you Sai, you know just just look around the room. Maybe you know acouple of people so looked at here and there versus you know trying to look atpeople and what thehatever was yeah yeah. I will say when I said a coupleof jokes that were like a little bit of a role of the list. You know there wasa few people. I looked at that. I knew we're going, TA laugh and then that maybe feel better than everyone lauge. So it was all good. A hundred percent epeople that you know are just Gongto fakea crack up at the stupid shit. Yousay good times the time look. There was acouple of delayed laughters on my jokes and I was l. excuse me it's. It can happen when people don'tknow who you are exactly it and e trying to kind of figure you out aswell like you might have shook their hands before the CEREMODIA or theymight actually be the first time they're ever hearing. You speak so ththey're trying to like, and they know me outside of how we know each other,so they're trying to kind of figure that out and like even one thing thatAlex said. He like called me little foot and people like at first, no onelaughed or like did you Jus, say that and then I laugh really loud and thateveryone else laughs. So sometimes that's all that happens, but that's thething with any type type of joke tall, telling or storytelling like as long as the person that you'retelling Tha Story to and about understands which I completely didthat's really all that matters. So that was, I wouldn't worry a anything aboutthat at all. Yeah is it's laughing is really it's tricky, it's generallyeasier when people are emotional, but it's also like. Sometimes it can it's aroler than ice to. But you know I nd. This might be a good segue into a pointAr headlow I's just about like your role, not just as my best man, but alsoas the MC of the night is. The reception like I felt like you did sucha good job, and I could totally see you being yourself up there and that'sexactly why we asked you and why I...

...wanted you to do it. So I was like soproud of you the whole night. I just couldt take my smile off my face. Itwas just so good yeah, like I really treally enjoyedthat I mean it works. It works for our dynamic aswe are as people anyway, yeah EA, you know, and between the between the waywe behave and whatnot, and then, on top of that you had the fact that, like Iwas super excited and like yeah like he was just excitd like I would have like. I could not imagine being at yourwedding and not doing that if Thamic, yes hundred percent Ay, that's thefunny part about it too, iis like even though we aske you and it was like feltlike an obvious choice for you also. It was like this is the perfect fit yeahand like only Thi, only thing I would say and do is like I kind of I wish Idid more if that makes sense, like that's the only thing I but I don'tthink I like yet, as in like be bout more of like organizing stuff as well,but then again it's difficult when you're Thi tats living far away andyeah yeah, it's one of those things to and also like a little bit, especiallythe start of it, like kind of the structure of the night, was a littlebit up in the air, so you kind of had to roll with the punces the first fewGoe. So you were kind of like fighting an uphir battle, and then you brokethrough that and smashed it. So, like that, that's you know. It is what it is.It's totally fores what it dirally S. well, it is baby, it es. Atthewe needto get that son yfact in here. Thank you. We do yeah, and it's straight on you.It's already on your phone is your ringtone, which is pretty gangstered aswell. It really it would't be too hard with it. No just give me a call everytime you have to say something aother interesting thing that I wasthinking about for the whole night like the, because I've been working atBonville for like eighted months, my I was always concerned a little bit thatbecause I was at work for the wedding that I would feel like it would notfeel the best, because I was at work right, but I tol what it did make mefeel like. So, if ingcomfortable, it's not even funny like I was socomfortable like I feel like, I could go anywhere. Obviously talk to anyonewalk anywhere. It actually was like the perfect scenario weirdly enough yeah. It makes sense yeah that thatdoes make sense. I think there's a level of comfort that you get from aworkplace because you know, and I've done a few weddings as well. Like youknow, I've been with the guys who have been serving and heading out food andpouring drinks, and that sort of thing, so I think that really helped day. Thatwas like it wasn't surprising, but on the day it felt like wow. This isactually like perfect and there was like offors in the background that weplaying and the were members that knew me that were waveing it. It was just itwas so cool. It was just a Ba, it was, it was pretty cool, it was pret brilliant. It was a greatnight overall, just yeah absolute memorab, memorable, nothing op. Nothing of that night waswhat is weaccidered, that Ou we should change or what hodly yas yeah hat. Iwas so bsis. What was what was your thoughts on like the whole Venu ind,the setup and the way everything was like the food and just the actual venueitself, how it Al looked in the golf course itself like how friggingbeautiful is the thing: a Oh, brilliant. Beyond my expectations, like yeah, I'vebeen a couple of weddings and like the last peding I went to was also like abig property right, but that property was you know the Preyou can hire thoseproperties and comme dor them to do the wedding and everything is selfmanagedright, but having that ACC that staff that professionalism just gave it thatedge of perfection, I I really truly feel because you could. You could comme Dae the whole venue and then have that you know a state right which isgreat, but just that edge of, like you know, having the little professionalisminto it as well. That's Rightyeh Yeah! So it's just you know, t just just thelittle bit of crowd control people's behavior control, because you know, if there's no any like that yeah yeah,so it's brilliant and ownd. Up with that, you know thetr little photography,activity that was phenomenal Tho, as so oting a yeah sht up fo Dan whoheSaihe's, actually going to get the edits back to me this week. Bro That'slike eight day turnover. Man Like you know, we'll see how it goes. Maybeit'll be six weeks, but like Hi's hes reckons he's going to be able to do itwithin two weeks. Like that's pretty amazingly mantophotos, he talkd howwell he did it and the personality he was and it was just yeah. It was sogood, itwas breally it was brilliant. Well, you know I'll tell you what,though it may have been in the excitement of your wedding, but Ididn't want him to come. Join US Onbor, O forer episode of the podcast. Did youso yeah bro Ha he's got now he's got such a good personnalthathe. He heulddo so well, so hes yeah he's really professional to but also very fun, soyeah. He would that a good idea. I thought it was yeah interesting becausehe was mentioning to me that he has hes stried starting a couple of portcastbut has at class couple of ded SA yeah. I was like you know what brilliant?Let's do it? Let's, let's have a chat, an let's see what we can do, champ out,yeah, that's totally yeah, look absolutely bre yeah. It was great andthose you know running around in the Golfhbugis cut golf Garts, just so muchfun yeah. If it a gave nearly bloody destroy O so, but I guess they give alittle o context to it. Basically,...

...after the ceremony, we've got all theformalities. This ame already done. We got all the post, wenning photos andthen with the photographer, the bridal party, so the three grooms of the threebrides maids and th bride and groom. We went out onto the golf course and gotsome really good. Action live shots, so we spent about two hours out there,which absolutely flew right. Like you know it was so crazy, ow, quick thatwent. We went to the driving range. We went to a couple of holes that had in the thing about bonyords riding thefoot of the like is right in the middle of the mountains, so there's heaps ofslope and undulation like theres heaps of curvatere on the course. So it'sjust like perfect for photo angles, so we would be standing in formation or indifferent spots. The foge photographer would be below or above us and wouldjust get perfect background, Shotsidt, not exactly what the what that would becalled, but like one of them, has the great dividing range about in thebackground, there's beautiful trees on course, so we just had so many greatphotos that are going to be taken and I'm so excited to see them, and then wegot to drive around in golf carts. They gave us food. We had like amazing, likeplatter food, and we also had like drink sonon. They were just the firstroal drinks we had of the day and that was really cute to and yeah that was somuch fun. Wasn't it it really was. It really was just overall Brillian yeah.Well right. I think that kind of wraps up the wedding talk the wedding yeah.We summarize atreally well, I think so that could that could be a wholepodcast. The wedding ttotally yeah totally like I could break down. Icould go time Lin, we could talk about. You know tha the day how we were likekind of rushing, but it was we saving said it was meant to be this waybecause we had to be under a little bit of stresh pressure o you tat, tess yeah,that's a hundred percent because it just gave that energy o the day andhaving other boys around nrbecause. We went back to your apartment. You guysstayed and got ready there, so the whole day was just so good andobviously seeing you guys, you terencse and gavern, who I've seen recently butSeeng like Rias and Himan, and your brother, who I haven't seen for years,was just so amazing to so big shout to those boys who all contributed in theirown ways of making it like such a good day and yeah. It was really amazing. Soif I could lead you into a little bit of an open question for you andobviously we've spoken a little bit about your relationship status,currently just Jeky but like did have you thoughtanything about what you would want to your own wedding to look like, or didit bring up any emotions for you on that end? A hundred percent? Yes,absolutely agree when, when again onc'e again, when Charlotte did he was I waslike, but this is one of the this is single, the single most beautiful thingI have witnessed in a very long time, and I witnessed some beautiful thingsIp to you that look up yeah absolutely, and I was likeyou know what this is. This is what love is right and- and I've always hada weird relationship with with love, did Yo just say, relationship,yeah, weird relationship with love, right, Ye, H, okay, like ithe idea ofLov right, wea relationship of idea of Lotright, because I could never explain, explain it right and there was neverthere. Wasn't that much context around me that I seen to see what true loveyou know. What would be right so it was easier for me to just jusbelieve, and you know it discredit,love as it stands right honestly, but but I mean Aler the years, I've gottenbetter as a person as well. Can you explain that if you don't haveto go fully into it, but what do you mean yeah? Absolutely you woulddiscredit it yeah and, like I didn't, I didn't think I didn't the way. The Way Love is explainedright and then you got the fairy Tal Love I no. I has missed about it everlike. I know you', N, Ono, yeah, so the way love is always sold right in acapitalistic Wav. That makes sense right. Youe got the Disney love Disneyversion of love. You got the film mergion of Love Right. That's the onlyreally conspectional constructualization of love that me or most people have right. If thatmakes sense right, maybe I'm I'm I'm a highly optimisticperson right. However, I'm also I'm a prety quick to see what things are andwhat things aren't like. Pretty good judge of pretty good, quick judge ofwhat thinks what's true and what's not as well so whenever I saw those filmsand the constrectualization of love that people made out to be, I called it.I was like well what this is bullshit right. This, that's not how I fi Ri. You know there's no happily ever afterright, although this is what I said at Thea in the speed said. You know, andthis is what I actually met. I said those words I said I wish you your own,happily ever after your which, which me, which is different, because it's...

...very very often it's easy to definehappily ever after as the Disney version of love. But love isn't likethat. Nor is a relationships, nor is any to couple or no are any any any twoother. You know symbionic relationship that people may be in right. It's neverso insinck, but you can't work at those things you can you know you can you canmake those work right? However, that's another point right. That's that's nottring to say how love works, but but what I'm saying was right, but seeinghearing Charlotte say those balls and you know hearing you tales your wilesand holding your little baby and it was. I was like okay, this is the mostperfect instrixualize it constructualization of love as itstands, because, despite the Trub Despie, the struggles in despise obsanddespites, despite the downs despite the thick and the thick and the sick toGett right, you know thick and the sick. When youyou know, this is what this is. What it truly means to be. You know to lovesomeone and hat you stand here and you know to have for these big moments andfor what it means to you know yeah. So, though, I think t that was a goodtronstectalization for me construction. We learn to say that word on Righto us now. I totally what you'resaying, because it's it's kind of saying it give you a little bit of arealization and I think for a lot of people to who a might be worried ormight think about like awaiting for their opportunity to come along, andthe only thing I can say from my perspective is just how natural it allthis, and I also realize how very blessed my situation is to in regardsto Charlotte, but also even when Wewere up there when Abbey started cryingduring the ceremony- and it was like you know, do we grab or do we sort ofdo our own thing? It was everything was just so normal, it's just like yeah. Idon't have to worry I'm, so I'm so sure that this moment is so great that I hadso much confidence, Yeh, Tha's, grap, Abby and put her up here. She might bea little loud or whatever else, but Tler to do it and the whole night andthe whole Vatiship has really been that and I've not been worried about doing.You know we're just so comfortable together. So from my perspective, it was just likejust doing what felt right and what felt normal and what felt natural- and,I think, that's kind of a real key to a successl relationship is making it asnatural, and that probably relates to the two becoming one, because you're soconfident in what you believe is the right thing that you're both kind of onthe same wave length O. I think in our own way, we're kind of, hopefully thatthat makes sense, yeah absolutely and that w. That wasreally good for me, especially for, like I said, I'm not a pessimisticright, I'm in fact I'm a highly optimistic person, a hundred percentsack sometimes to optoisy. I like a hundred percent yeah, and maybe I'm offthat way like people who don't understand. You completely think thatway, because you're just you're very to the point and you'Ryou're not cold butYou'r. You are matter of fact a lot of times and, like you say how you feel,and some people might Sey that as like you being harsh, and no it's just youyou're, just very truthful yeah yeah, and that's that's that's. How I hold-and you know, and and and over the last couple of months and last DTOR, thepademic I've also been learning to not say as much when I don't need tobecause over the years we all have those habits that I was like. You know.This is not serving me what I used to I used to feel black space. You know withthe words but yeah which I'm not doing anymore, because you know that doesn'tmean I'm not an optimistic pus, I'm feagured like a yet anyway, I'mblabbring now. But the point is I'm highly optimistic, but I just HAV hadno constructualization of love, but that does give me that Sola and that'sa credit credit to you and childe to say that's how much K, obviously that'sa great impact on me and I hope that wasn't other people as well, and Ipresume that's what weddings are in a sense Wen this. You know it's also haveto serve that purposees. What which is be that's what weddings are meant to beone of my good friends up here. His name is Adam. He said that to us, likeI've, never been to a wedding that was so relaxed and calm, and there was somanimore stress. So the fact that that's what was conveyed was justbeautiful. Do you little side point bit? Do you think like on Entrepreneur? Shipis kind of the manifestation of like ultimate optimism or like a hundredpercening yeah, a hundred percent. It has to be because you're trying to dosomething that doesn't exist yet and you're hoping something wilh stick. 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...own life that doesn't exist. So youhave to be. You have to be extremely optimistic, well, also, obviously,being very realistic and being very business minded and practical, likeoptimism and practical can exist in that symbitic placeship. They don'thave existd yeah, absolutely for sure, there's a there's, a level of beingunreasonable as well. I think, if you have to be unreasonable, as in youcan't be a person who is logically driven completely, you have to you,have to dot your dot your eyes and Cross your teeth. Please right, but youcan't you can't can't be reasonable at all. You know you have to do thingsthat to anyone else will seem most unreasonable, because that's the onlyway you know that's the only way growth happens. I because you know you have to you- haveto be uncomfortable, unreasonable. You know, you know it's like a great example of it is, and thisis funny enough- and this is a something that you're wedding wide. Irealized. Obviously, Tim Thim was their great team ride and when Tim was thereright, he was you know he was fully involved in the wedding ride. But thegood thing were Tim is right. Tim doesn't drink right Yeahn. At no pointhe seemed like he didn't Enhe wasn't enjoying being there right, yeah, butalso he didn't seem pressure to drink. He didn't, and you know he he went tosleep when he needed to he woke up wand for a run in the morning after a longdrive yeah. You know what I thought I thought to myself. I ran from Orto toCouh Sarbor, Jeddy and backall along the beach two things toe take intocinseration there. That's like a twentk back there d back trip and also ore,not there back, but twenty KS round, and eighty percent of that is onsendfor anyone. WHO's ran on seein before twenty Kasis, like a hunt like that'sjust ridiculous and yeas on like a Friday morning or sturday morning. Youknow after a wedding, eighdt o'clock in the morning like no care in the world.I absolutely beautiful right, yeah absolutely and then I talk to myself. Iwas like that's a person who is unreasonable to the tea, because hednormal rules and normal logic doesn't apply to him right yeah, because anyoneelse would go well. You know what I'm not going to do this and I think thatapplies to not Justan or H, obviously, or to orter prenouship or whenever youtrying to push limits. You know because the whole essence of pushing limis isyou have to defy the laws, whether it be or physics orof mental capacity of human capacity. Right or of you know, business and youknow yeah and push up, and I mean he'sdefinitely a guy that has read David Goggins Book, can't Herbelik Withon,I'm gretty sure that's his Bible, I'm pretty sure ilives with that a briefyou know you know it's. Youcan't go too far wrong with that man he's yeah super insfiration on just agood person to be around right. Like yeahs yeah, I think yeah, SIS, a brilliant Preson, you know yeah, that's all I have to say for him.I think Wi'll move onto the next boot, the next you'r. I guess you know maybeAur third time your second time actually spending real quality time incough taper. What a kind of you like your thoughts and feelings about theplace and kind of getting like a good couple of days to explore a little bitand just kind of live the lifestyle. For a few days I like off Taber. I really do I thinkit's pretty brilliant place. I think currently, with my lifesituation as a stands, I don't think I could you know well currently, becauseI have a job, so I couldn't write anywall, you know, I'm not trying to ointo the Mova, but I was was gi, was gonna. Tell you right, however. However,the way the way I planned my life to go, butyou know nothing ever goes as planned, right yeah. Actually, my idea was thatyou know if, if I could live six months in that kind of area a year yeah thatwould be pretty brilliant, like I would really enjoy doing that like six monthsand if Faryea, six months on and off, because I I still want to spend sometime more time in the city, because you know meeting New People- and I likethis- I do like the hush of the city Dantipim, most Younoi, musit alt. Forsure I like that as well, and I like meeting people I like talking to NewPeople, I like going in big groups- and you know all those stuff I like thecafes and although thes Brillan Campis in Sotel, but I like those city, corner,capes and od city stuff. But another thing that recently hashappened because I spent the past three years in Melbourne and my body isreally climatized to Melbourne. Now that I'm moved back to Sidneam and Iwas in Coaber, I was dying of heat like I' destruck. It's like everything inTha. You know right now it's Eeni a blo who was born and raised in a Pakistan.You know, like literally on the Equator, like that's pretty amazing, a how thebody isit really is. It really is- and...

...you know in in like so right now inSydney, it's ninet. Let me see: What's thetemperature right think it's nineteen degrees right and for me right, I knoweveryone else in my familyis wearing jumpers and I'm like this is theperfect temperature. Now you know so yeah. I think that twenty mark is Si tothe idea, but I think I'll adjust back to wanting the summer weather prettysoon so yeah. Well, that's right and we're obviously entering the winnermonth now an we've had the coldest Ito, the weddest winter. Sorry, some of thatCosub has really ever seen. So that was another kind of Blesse thing that wehad was we had really good weather for the wedding to, but it is. It is prettycrazy when you think about how the body adjusting in that way and Sydney- I guess- has the it has a bitof both like it has the hot weather, but it also has it's definitely not ascold as Melwun, but we definitely can get some cold days on there. Yeah hundred percent ahundred and ten percent agreed there. Your current and moving kind ofseguaying back into the Sydney lifestyle a little bit you're currentlyobviously just start a new job you're living back with your parents. I thinkwe've touched on a little bit, but maybe we haven't gone into it as muchas we can or could have how's that been like yeah. It's it's been good, it's takinga minute to adjust back to Oh actually before I tell say thatthere was one thing I want to finish up when you askd me the earlier questionthat Ti. We know your relationship. SATISI cul want to touch on thatquickly right, but because no, but I'm goint, to finish this first right so toFeeu like Alex Johnta, you know listning yeah, it look it's taking a bit ofadjustment because I've been living out of home for almost three for threeyears or more than three years and having because I had so much space tomyself. It's difficult having you know having people around all thetime. So I'm trying to adjust to that. I mean it's nice to have people around,but I'm just still trying to adjust as to the way that works, and you know howeverything goes. So that's the only that's the onlything that I would say that is little, I'm sill trying to get used to, but butfrom that, it's a great I like it. I love it. You know Sydney's good, to beback in Sydney. I do truly Miss Melbourne, but you know it is what itis right. It is what it is. Yeah you're at that point that I guess you're. I guess it's a goodthing to like you don't want to, and maybe the maybe the setting of movingfrom Sydney to Melbourne was a lot different to not the setting, but the situationbehind moving from Melburne, so I stid in a milman from backwards. Vice Averso,I should say, is different, so youre kind of at a position where you're likea little bit kind of like dealing with like yeah. You Know Youre still kind ofgetting out ef the fact that you're not living in Berbourn anymore. So I think,as time goes on once that sort of starts to you start to get it used tothat it'll feel more more normal, a D and obviously, once you feel likeyou're in a situation where you want to move out of home, I'm sure you wouldjump at the opportunity, but I think that's maybe one thing you can takefrom past experiences. You don't have to rush that sort of thing like it'sgot to be the right time. It's Gotg to be with the right people and it's justgot to be in a place particularly dealing with the structure of Sydney's traffic thatyou've got to just take. I tepline one hundred and ten percent IG yeah.Yes, I don't know. Yes that is sidny traffic. I forgot how o not horrible,but how crazy it was. You know it was just. It was just yeah. syny traffic isSydney traffic. It Eso what it is. It is what it is yeah, so I'm going to quit yet quicklygoing back on the trutchhat. We talked about right in regardess, but obviouslyso. Currently I am single right, so you know not in a particular stage of anyrelationship. However, in saying that you know obviously being at o weddingand you know being around, you know acouple who's getting married as well. It's a interesting. It's an interesting, tought, thougt process that I do havenow that I'm having, which is you know I thing. Oh maybe I do want to consider.You know consider getting married, not that I did not before, but you knowit's just a recent thought that I've had because ofteu of being at a weddingrecently, so I think which is which is really interesting. You know, as theysay you know getting clucky. Are you so not getting clucky, but you know justjust a thought, I presume, and I'm sure everyone who was at the welling or isnormally a tend weading in because you know any logical, ind a reasonbutperson would think tos themselves Ogo,...

...you know. Maybe you know. Maybe I am mmaybe. I should consider and thinkabout getting married and whatnot. You know they usual so which which I think is vrertyinteresting. However, obviously the fact the fact is,you know you can't you can't go hey, I want to get married and then just youknow someone chows up at you don't tomorrow, because that's not how itworks. However, as much as mamma would love that to be the CAD as as much asMama would love that she would go. You know just someone would shoawb at yourdoor, that's not how it works and- and you know the goal of Mage and I think obviouslyI don't need to tell you this, but I think Ti Tho my point of view onmarriage or I think it's a bit of a partnershipright. In fact, it is a partnership right, so you gotta, you know it's. Youcan't marry someone or you can't be with someone who you think is just hotright, because that's not going to last very long you're going to get old,they're going to get old, and that would be the end of that yeah. However, you know what does last. IsYou know your and you don't even have there's another misconception to thinkthat you know you have to have a lot in common right. I don't think that makesa different ide there right. I think what tru he makes it different is whatyour you know. What Youre? Why and like you know, if your wise are intertwinedand what you see the way you see the word your point of view and where youaim to be is, is what, if you guys have that in sink? That's what makes a goodrelationship but and that's what you know. I think that's a marriage thatwould last as well but H it's hard to it's hard to come to that conclusion. Imean you could probably you could be somewhere tomorrow and come to thatconclusion very quickly, but own average. I would presume- and Ithink it's not as easy as just meeting thefirst person you know, and then they are insinck with where you want to be,because you know in true sense, if I was to describe someone that who I'dlove to be with would be the person who is the kind of person Wans to explorethe world and who wants to you know, wake up wake up every morning. You know,and you know, take on- take responsibility not for me or forthemselves, but they call responsibility for their greater goodight. Someone who you know is excited about life, someone who loves life andall those things that I want the way I see myself and the way I want to be-and I think those things are bret important for me at least yeah ahundred percent- and you know t it's the Cliche, but when you, when you meetthat person as you get a Om Lor more, you realize it begins to make more andmore sense that this is. This. Is the person that n rest of my life with, andyou know it might not be the one if you will there might be multiple ones, butI have no doubt. I have complete nother faith that you will find that personyou'll find that person. You know when you're least expecting it and as longas you're on the right path, which you are n terms of working towards thebetnir person that you want to be and the best person you can't be for themas Charlotte just comes in the room and flashes me shed that to Charlotte you yeah you'll come in and be thatperson that they need you to be and who you need them to be when the right timeis and that's why like manifestation is really important, because, even thoughit's not happening right now, if we start to build towards that, it startsTa Fallin place and you actually had to. Hopefully that makes sense. You had tworeally good points that I wanted to quickly go over and touch on the firstone being physical attraction, and that's really important, obviously,because you have to you- have to have that in order for the relationship towork, but it won't last longer than a few months,because, just like anything, you get desensitized to it. So you obviouslyneed to build more and more from there and the second one being the yeah. That's so true, and you don'thave to have all that much in common. You just have to have a willingness tobe open and explore what the other person has in common, and you don'thave to love it like Charlotte, didn't always love coming to watch me playcrickyor or she didn't love know at first going to the gym. If ve shedefinitely did after a while. She didn't always love it straight away,but she had this willingness, realizing that I cared and loved about it. So shestarted to at least pretend to give a shit and then eventually it manifesteditself to, and then difference is also really great to because you you know,no one really wants a much as you think, so you don't want to be, and I don'tmean you that we might have this conception that you want to be withthat same person, things get really bored and old, really quickly. Ouneiduediversity need change. You need new experiences and those are all alsoreally important to, but like the willingness to travel, the willingnessto explore new things, even if those things might not be what either onedesires, I think is kind of another key ingredient as well and and ultimately just the embeddnment inthe prosperity of the other person is what's going to see you through. So once you sort of start to see thosethings manifest, thimself you'll, you...

...know, it'll be it'llit'll, itill happen very easily,so once that does happen, I'm so excited for when that does because sGonto be the best thing ever. Oh absolute, absolutely yeah appreciatethat. Shout thanks for that. But U you one hundred percent Cret justquickly, because I had another thought that I wanted to say its well. It'slike they in regards to attraction. Right attraction definitely has to bethere like physical attraction, but sometimes it's like when you look at aninstragram post, because of course I have to make an analogy right think obaseegrample. Sometimes you have to look at th, you yeah. You Got Ta, look at the caption. Whatthe caption holes and not just what the image has right, because just like thatimage, that image will go very will way fade very quickly out of be your memory,but that caption May, just you know, may just stickin your brain and andattraction and like the physical appearance, goes veryquickly. I'm just saying look at my pictures from Locklan's wedding. Itlooks like you know. I was Sin Molacks, you know a cousin, but I'm just sayingright, ontohs, that day yeah right in s inMolexanocosit, but you look at me in real life. I'm just saying you know,just don't don't now. I seem like ZAN MALEX, agly cousin, you know so it'Sattraction is very situational, sothe so physical pperence is very situational. But you know the thatappearance or the PHYSI. The emotial attraction is, I think, its. What leaves an inprint? That's! That's all at Tis, one morething that I want to say before you wrap up any of your ideas and then thatcould probably set the ton for the next on the following episode: BeautifulBeautiful Go ahead: okay, cool okay! So we all know that all the years humanshave this is has nots before I exsay this. This has no context to anything.We spoke about right, it's just a thought that I've had all day and Iwanted to say something about it right just like so we all know humans havetechnologically advanced right and we we have evolved and donetechnologically evolved and done all those things right, but wo havecomputers and moving forward well, have newr links and all those kind of thingsthat enhance us to give us the capacity to you know capacity to be in a sense, be free of silly things. You know wherethey be, like. You know, constantly getting distracted, and youknow you know not being interested like you know, so technology is helping usdo those things right and technology is advancing further, and I presumetechnology will get to the point where it wil. We will have a Simbe, onicrelationship with that where we are in a sense, you know, you know it does help us behave betterright. That's at least a hope right. He could go completely Sidebas, howeverright and we tece, so that's our technological advancement or, if youwill technological evolution. However, I had this thought right whatif they were two strengths to the same evolution instead of a technologicaladvincement evolution, there was a mystical, more internal driven like w MI. Like a m mystical, you know like aSol driven evolution. That was the that was possible for him as, but wecompletely missed the mark. Where you know wee, we didn't need the technologyright, because when we didn't need any of the technology where you know wewere kind of like, if you think think of the dolphins right, how you knowthis smagt a shit right and you know Ma, they don't need houses and they don'tneed those telephones or more welcome because they communicate. You know theycommunicate wire. You know, literally with you know, through the ether orpractically speaking, you know. Why was the word Delicanisof if you ell? Theydon't, but I'm saying is it's all over the air and they cancommunicate or hundreds of miles or Klon mirros right, don't Qate me on it,but I know it's something: Crazy long distant pride, we couldn't even dreamof communicating that far without a mobile phone or facetime. So I justwander at like five g is incomparable right yeah. I just wonder I just wonderright what, if we, what is human? The human race completely missed the markand we just went on the complete romg. You know the other side of evolution.What we could have had you know of just you know, just being thise beings whowere being, but not necessarily too busy, building these buildings andstuff, because all of this stuff becomes unnecessary. If we are Youknow,all this stuff is only there is because we are ever so f fragile right, but ifwe weren't so fregile like in a sense where we could talk to each other overhundreds of miles, just by you know, by...

...using the our vocal abilities ortelicanesis and all the stuff, this is completely theoratical. Obviously I'mnot couting any paper. It's just a thought that I had right yeah, but if humans continue to evolve in a way thattechnology became that significant of a a component of our lives, then the kind of the power that technologly hasin terms of communication and is like access of information would start tomold itself into our being. So that's like completely rational, like it'syeah, yeely, Yeah N, it's theoredic cords, some of the smartest people in theworld believe that's inevitable. Yeah! Absolutely! That's! That's exactlyright! So if we didn't, if it didn't, if we never create technologs, that'sit. If we never hear technology right, if we never invented technology or theessence of technology or tools to help us would we have evolved to be so mystically abled that we didn't need,you know external help, so to speak, t what do you mean? What's the contextbehind mysically able well so being able to communicate with someone longdistancy, because it was a requirement of the Ber requirement for him INS tocommunicate than people moving around our bodies, adapted just like how mybody at does a different temperature adapted to develop that ability tocommunicate all ou distance right it. Just just imagine that I mean this iscomcomplete Gullshit right, but think about it. Just imagine for a second,because we didn't have any phones, our bodies evolved and picked up theability to communicate a long distance. This is a small example. What would ifyou took an IPAD into e the first world war? What would they call that? Well,that's exam for yeah yeah, that's exactly right so or like, but would weneed that iped if we did never invented echknowledgy or that SIS IHTSA goodpoint? That's a good and thet, you know and then Youve got the idea of. Let'ssay you know we got cars right or you know, for example, weve got cars, Eve,go people back, Ot them Bas, trying to keep the IPAD alive, they'd be blowingon it and try to get firs that exist o you know what funny this there'sthere's a old story about the first time they had lanterns in the street,the street lenterns before the street lampscape. You know origon streetclamps. So apparently, when that came around people were so shocked and so turned off the idea that they thoughtit was going Na, kill everyone because they had light, you know and theythought people were going to die because they couldn't handle the factthat there was little flames just around the street lighting it up atnight. So this is just the constrectualization of to like to thinkhow weird you know. Different Times have been, but yeahoy totally and inregards of those concepts. I like to phrase in a way that I'm suspiciouslyoptimistic, so I'm suspicious in the sense that throughout human history,when ether people have been given it opportunity to exploit power, they havedone so so if they h ultimately get control of other people than they'regoing to exploit that. But I'm also optimistic one because I believe that'sthe best way to live, but to because there's been, you know ebbs and flowsof certain things, but the for the marsh prajority, the vast majority oftimes the good has always won. So that's the optimism as well. So Ichoose not to I choose not to be tied to one side of that argument, but Ithink I'm sorry suspiciously optimistic is a good way in that a good way to ben. That regard- and I just hope for- and this is my own belief- I hope thatonce there is a line in regards to the merge of Technologyand Human Psyche, I hope that once a lion isthere, it isn't crust and there will be people that'll cross, that line, but Ihope that we get to a point where, once that line, is there we're allpretty aware of it and we all decide to not take a step or take a step on ourown choosing and nothing like that's forced, and I guess that why you knowsomething like conspiracy fears to me, even though, as I'm getting older, I'mstart to believe in the degriment. Far More than I am in the positive andupside of those sort of things, I believe, still very fundamentally inthe concept of there being a Lin, and you also having to stick to that aswell. So that's that's, certainly why I choose to be, I mean a suspiciouslyoptimistic but in the same sense like how many things have happened recentlyin overtime where we just didn't see him coming or happening either, and youknow that's fuck it. Let's, you know, et' do it. Itis what it is. So if he is at as as of right now. Obviously the big story, youknow, predominatly, the big story in the news and in regards to people'slives, is the out the rolling out of...

...the Vaccines Right and obviously, ifyou're functioning human primate, who can breathe and hasto wise. You understand- and you know why vaccents are good because theyprovide defense, your immune system of efenstive fit of disease. The onlything that I'm concerned with is peoples right to choose is being takenaway and there's obviously a difference between the right to choose to not kill someonelike murders like no. You shouldn't have the right to choose murder,obviously, if you're going to mar e Somany Medashon, but also the right tohave free will that's the thing that I do not wish to lose and that's a thingthat sort of terrifiize me a little bit. So, even though there's plenty ofpeople out there that jump to conclusions and they read one side ofthe narrative on both ends, I believe that we still need to exist in a sitesociety where we can learn and understand ingtet people's opinions,even though they might differ, and so those lives are starting to get mergeda very tiny bit. It's not ignufed. It's not enough at the moment to worry me,and I hope I know you know what I'm saying at the moment, even though I'mbeing very kind of vague about it, just because I don't actually know exactlyhow to articulate it. I just hope people were. I hope people areunderstanding of there's a line that we may potentially be crossing, and I justhope we don't cross that Linei meanit's Ol, the beauty of the society wecurrently live in as Floridas Western society is it's major. It's majorpositive is freedom. You know it's society in general. I think one ofthe greatest thing and every nation has fourht for- has been freedom regardlessof what nation it was, whether be Western society or INTHEA, Pakistan or whatever rightthey've, been in the worst situation than they were, but they fought forthat freedom. They chose freedom over being in under control of Tyran. Eventhat was a better life ride, so freedom always now. I actolulely know whatyou're saying right, because first of all I have, I have a strong opinionabout. I think most people are bost. People are a bunch of eggs with APTHEI.Opinions are so invalid that they should be slapped on the face. However,you drop on one O, my crack yeah. They dropen you drop im one they cry right,they have, like I mean they've got their opinions are equally as valuableas as freaking. You know a cardboard, that's three been recyclefifty four times in now its absolutely useless right. The openings are sofreaking useless that you genuinely want to slap them on the F place, and Icould not. However, everyone has the right to havethe opinion and the ability to choose. That is the fundamental human thing right. You have that Bilyou do totrihe. So when you talk about vaccine right, lookwhether you choose to get the vaccine or not that's completely up to you, I'mnot saying you lock Lan, as I'm saying anyone right, hoacly up to you and youshould be your should be. Your should have the ability to choose thatlong as as long as that's not impacting either me- and you know the otherpeople right Knong, as your ability to choose is not impacting other people,that's fine! So that's when it comes into like murder and whatnot right.However, however, because if you're, like, obviously we're not specialist onthis right B right, just just just as a FEU aniologists we're not yeah, notstatistics, actbert yeah, not we're, not healthcare professionals. You knowwhe're, none of those things obvious yeah, just as an idea right to OMON,covering because yeah it sus go talking about covidnineteen Ui. If you willClavi tetalking about the old old, you know, or old, matenineteen right, er orhowmadiculated, a a pce wod yeah yeah. I love that. I love that S. Yeah Werall made eighteen Lus one right. It's when you think about that right. So, if there's, if there's a thirty, youknow ten to fifteen percent of people who don't want to get the vaccine andthat's their choice as long as that's not going to inhibit the ability of meand another person or another person to move around freely which, from whattheyre saying, as seems like it won't because they probably W, will never never. You know ever axcen everyone, becausethat just doesn't happen. You know yeah because there's probably some dude name.You know Jazal who lives inpatfuck. Nowhere good licke trying to find himtrying to vaccine him right. So you probably never so as long as itdoesn't impact me and that's fine, so they should have that ability to choose.However, and Ao presuming that vaccine sense, I think a mass majority would go.I want to get the vaccine, however, it should be a voluntary choice thatyou're putting into your body yeah. That's right, and you know theother kind of Isle of the...

...the argument of the other side of theisland. The one that I totally subscribe and agree to is, like youknow sure, as of right now we're doing really well with this thing, and thingsseem to go back to normal, but once we allow Internationa trouble and WATC, weallow this thing to get following again like there is a potential that it willstart to spread again and it's like okay, what's the risk factors foreveryone- and you know- we now know that like what's the riskfactors for everyone, and we now know that the government's choice infighting this thing is one ever get everyone vaccinated or to shuttingthings down. So what are people willing to sacrifice in order to do that sortof thing? So I just think it's and I certainlybelieve that. That's you know that's why I can totally understand tha theidea that the best way to get on top of this thing is to vaccinate everyone,because obviously this thing will spread again wheneverything opens up, because it just what it is. It's highly invectious andit's out there. You know, I mean it's kind of just from their. How dangerousis this thing actually really, and I think asking that question has becomevilified in a sense and- and that's you know- that's maybe where I'm startingto get a little bit concernd, but also I do realize that it's just somethinglike anything like if you, if you, if you give a dog a toy this now. This isa pretty good example. Now I'll make it a human thing, if you give a baby a toythat she's never seen before she's going to go, what the heck is this asshe starts to get used to it and she starts tatthing to staing the sound itmakes and the surface that has youll start to learn how to manipulate it andmove it then she'll start to figure it out. I think where it's still withinthat infancy stage. Obviously with this thing that we are right now, so thingsthat you know previously were a rational right now ar rational, becausewe just don't know what's going on so I have empathy and I'm deploying Antormeempathy shod up to Gary V. I'm deploying empathy on both sides of thesituation, because I understand both the spectives and I think that's onething that we need to all try to do is to try to see both sides of the the ile.If HEU will a hundred percent agreed inipson agreed anyway, I think that's agood node to wrap up the podcast Althouh way went to a completedifferent dresson and I know we could go totally, but I think we did thatreally well and you know, might have added Anumber Fiftyn minutes or so, butI'm actually really excited to hear the whole podcast like I'm, going to realy,listen to this whole podcast, but that last little bit I think, was reallylike- and this is just US talk out loud, but I felt like that was eally welldone on both our en so now that was beautiful, Bro and you know I guess yeawe'll wrap it up here. You know we're just going over an NOWR and ten minutes.Now this is kind of the length t you like to do. We obviously had thewedding, which is amazing and so many great things that have come out of that. You know Hashtag best episode ever, butnow this wis. This is really good bro and you know we'll continue to recommit to this thing. Weekly.Certainly, that's one thing I really want to do on my end, and this has justbeen such a great episode and we've just gone over so many things our flowtoday has been so good. I really hope that everyone who's listened to it hasenjoyed it episode- Number Twenty, two of course, and moving forward we'rejust going to keep going deeper and deeper and we're just going to keepcritical thinking. So maybe, if you want to give us a little social mediaplug and then you can just say goodbye- and I think that's, I think that's just.

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