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The CDP // Ep22: Hitched! ๐Ÿคตโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ‘ฐ๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ our Man just got it done, let's talk about wedding among other things.

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And thank you all for joining us once again episode number twenty two of the clever dummies podcast. I am your host, as always, lucky, joined once and again on this beautiful Tuesday evening by Nick. How you going, my brother? I am great, you know, loving life as always, because you know, you cannot love life enough, as they say. How are you going? Yeah, that's right, my love. I've read a couple of fortune tickquis. Live, love, learn, you know, and that's very, very key this tumultuous life. But now I'm doing absolutely outstanding, as you could imagine. Might still riding very much a high of what I'm sure is going to be a theme of this podcast and what really has been the theme of the large porter portion of my life, and that was the wedding that we had on Friday. Obviously married my beautiful bride Charlotte, and yeah, might I am absolutely charging. Went Back to work on Monday, so no honeymoon yet to be, to continue to be to be had later on this year, but I'm doing excellent. Mate, how are you, buddy? You've just started a new job. I haven't. Yeah, I have. I have. I've definitely done a new job. It's been, you know, it's been pretty good. It's my second week into this new job, but obviously I will get back to you on the update, on a proper, proper update on the job, let's say in the next episode or the following episode. So give me a couple more weeks before I can make a solid judgment as what I have to say about my colleagues and and you know, yeah, to decide who all also figure out if they're got to listen to this exactly. So and topic, just spot my talking points ahead for tonight. I just skipped to the bottom one. N I'm take this way. Well, let's let's let's get to the elephant in the room. Where should I say? There's no elephant in the room, but let's get to the main topping top, topping point, talking point right, which is you got hitched, as they said, which is the name of this episode, by the way, just in Guesse. You're wondering. You got hitched. Now that's very good. Like a wedding bills was maybe a good one. It is what it is. You know, is always a good one. I feel like. I feel like we can go to the world with that one. And you know what, if we, we're not really sure it is what it is. All fallen place, but yeah, no, that's a really good it is what it is. Yes, it was. It was just excellent. Let's I think maybe a recap might be the easiest way to say. Guae, what do you reckon? Yeah, well, you let's go start with A. Start with, start with a recap. But before you do that, I have a have a couple of questions and then you answer them and then you go into the recap. I think you're going to give your room to start off as well. All right, first question, he's which is simple and I already know the answer, but I still want you to say it. How you feel. Do it. I'm feeling really, really good, feeling amazing. It's a question I've had asked a couple of times over the last few days. Like do I feel with any different like how my feeling? Obviously, first and foremost, I feel really good, like I feel excited. I'm still feel like I'm buzzing from the event. You know, it was something that we've spoken about before, but it was, you know, really a brainstorm that we've had since, you know, my birthday in two thousand and nineteen, when I first propose. But I think it wasn't until we attended a wedding expo with the at the golf course where when it first started to become reality that you know, we're actually getting married with doing the damn thing. And that was, you know, July of two thousand and nineteen. So that's all June. So that's, you know, a better part of added months, even longer than eighty months. So relief is definitely one leading up the week of in particular, but really the last few months was relatively stressful because you just want the day to be very good. So I think a big part of that kind of enjoyment is like relief. It's just like if you have a big report to or you've got some work that needs to be done and you've been working at it for so long. Like I'm kind of writing the buzz off that. But the other part of the question that people wanted to know is, like does it feel any different, like you know you're you're married now. How does it feel? And I think it does, and to my surprise a lot of people were surprised by that. They like maybe heard the opposite of had asked that question to other people that have been told different things, but I mean, I just, you know, maybe I was surprised a little bit. I wasn't really sure how I'd feel afterwards, but I just feel I feel amazing, because I feel like, you know, I've, you know, mean shall I've been together for nearly seven years. So in terms of like the the framework, in the fabric of relationship, not a lot really changes. But in my heart and in my soul and the love that I have for Charlotte has just grown and grown even more, and now that I'm officially married to it, it just feels like, you know, it just feels amazing. It's actually really I can't articulate exactly why. I actually don't want to really think too much about why it feels different, but it just does. It just feels like, you know, it's just different, bro like it's just a amazing you know. Sorry, yet...

...that was awesome. You know what? I was talking for thirty twond day and I had my might mute. That's how good it is. What it is, I was thinking, is what it is. Footnote. We've gone back to the classics and Castle. I was worried, but now continue on. Would just slot that okay. Beautifut. So it wouldn't be a podcast with that. Yeah, it wouldn't be a podcast. Right. So what I was going to say was, when you said that, right, when you said I can't explain the why, and I don't really want to explain the why. But I was going to say was this. This is really brilliant book by Simon cinnic called start with why, right, and it's one of my oldtime favorite books, and the book talks about our why as to do, why we do things in the why we feel things and why we feel certain way is is closely linked to how our self identity and that area of brain at that that is in charge of feelings, right, and then giving you that decision making empowerment is is quite is the opposite side of the articulation, or the word, the speaking area of the brain. So there's there's a there's a disconnect between us being able to explain our true intentions, last Shill, our Athendicity, because it's just not it's not just not possible. I just don't think humans are there yet. So, you know, it's pretty interesting. So normally when you can't explain something is because you truly ares like a little yeah, it's like a level of articulation that is so closely related to our emotions that were not quite at that stage of like articulation of it, maybe a hundred percent. It's like it's like it's like you ask me, right, if you ask me to explain to you, and I'm not even a scientist, if you ask me to explain quantum mechanics to you, right, I'll give it a shot, right, and I will. I will get pre probably not. That's a bad example. Right, if you ask me to play, right, if if you ask me to explain to you how Google's algorithms work, right, I will explain it to you. Would logic. Right. But if you ask me to explain why am I friends with you? Why have I been friends with you for, you know, ten or years? Right, I will give you the reasons that any logical person would give you, but I couldn't tell you exactly why. What is it that you know, keeps us so strongly Bortn and we've always started regressionalized reasons prison never those reasonly something deeper than that, and I think that those articulation goes that that is unarticulatable, if that's the word yeah, now, that's that's a I think that's a really good way to summarize it and it's good way to think about what was the book again start with why? By Simon Sinic. So if I idea, I've heard of it, I will's add it or add it to my list for sure, and I think I kind of just had Le Epiphany a little bit in my own head. The big you know, one of the biggest things with marriage in the Christian faith is the bonding of two souls. So I think that we're in the spiritual process and now with both our souls coming together as one, which is kind of the the what happens when two people get married and they commit themselves in that way. So I think that's probably what it is in my own mind as well, which is pretty pretty amazing. They think about too. That's why it feels amazing and that's why it's hard to totally articulated, I think, as well, because I don't have any prior experience to relate it to. Well, that's exactly right and and I hope this will be your last experience, and I truly do hold it y. You Know Me. Yeah, I hope the next wedding is if you or tear, it's my friend. Well, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. And you know, look or maybe ray as if looks. So that was the first book. Well, you never be aside every nice man. It could be aside. It could be anyone. You know, that's the you've you opened. Let's just say you you went out, you opened up the betting. You know, first drop, and now you've got a whole team in front of you who can carry the carry the game on. You know, you said a yeah, you put on a good semity four under. You put on a good seventy four on the school board. From here it's all the sunshine and river was. So that's you know, maybe how brilliant is a seventy four score for opening batsman? I just love that, like that. Seventy four number. Yeah, special off about forty overs. You know, he's just going out there. Yet dug deep, he's got the shuffle out a couple of times. You know, he's face the new ball off, he's got the boys in and if you ever get a seventy four an...

...opening partnership, you've taken plenty of shot off the ball and the hitters are going to come in and put two, fifty, three hundred on the board. So it's it's a great time. All this is. That's exactly right. You know, you could, you could. Obviously everyone's goal is to hit a hundred, but you know, I think seventy four is just it's just the money and gives everyone a bit of a chance as well, you know. So it's that's that's brilliant. Mad If you ever seven that will you be the best, Bestim in the world. So it's what it is. He's what he he's all right. So that was the first question and with a little bit of a you know, Oppron, it now another another question, which is once again around the feeling. Right, explain. Well, you probably want people to explain, but I hope you can do your best to explain the feeling. You know, when when Your Dad, in that sense, said, you know, here we go, you know you may kiss the bride the thing, so you know the moment and then leave. He gave he gave it to my nephew and he did so like a bit of a backstory. I think I've touched on it before, so I'm just about to cough. So my dad me and Charlotte asked my dad about a ten months ago, or yeah, about eight months ago, to be the celebrant at the wedding. So essentially he did the service. You know, he was the one that wrote all the formalities up and provided the service. You know, you see the photos and you see in the background. Was So amazing and for it to be my dad, it just felt really great. And so, because he wasn't a license celebrant, we officially got married the day before a guy named Simeon, Simon Joyce. Shout out to Simon Joyce's an amazing celebrant. He'd been doing it for twenty years and he was a lovely dude and he gave us like a little mini ceremony at our house and it was really pretty. I was really beautiful. We had small amount of family their friends and we officially got married. That was awesome. But I knew we decided the right thing that night because it just it's different when it's family, you know what I mean? And even though he would have done great and he's got a good personality is very good at his job, the fact that my dad was the one doing it was was really amazing. And then when it was all wrapped up, we went for the process of the wedding and when he finally said that and we I had abby in my arm and we kissed officially, I guess, as you know, as bride and groom for the first time. It was just it was just like a it was just pure euphoria and it was just like it was just the most amazing feeling in the world. Think of like the best moment of your life or one of the better moments of your life. It was like that, but it was all send it around love. So it was just it was just really amazing in the fact that obviously was my dad who was doing it just made it, you know, ten times more special. Absolutely it was. It was obviously I was there. For anyone who listening doesn't know that you and your closer than one point five meters. I'll tell you that much. I was. I was definitely close to the one point five meters. You know I was. It was it was just, you know, I was. I am good at I'm good at anything that comes to emotional mediating my emotions. I'm like, you know, what gotta this is the moment to like, you know, stay in composure and look good and do all the fun stuff. But but I was like I was. That was I was holding back few tears. I'll tell you that they were not tears of you know, there were tears of joy and just happiness either. I was yeah, I love it was absolutely beautiful. And you know, your bars were beautiful, right, but when Charlotte reader, when Charlotte read out her was I was like the look, I love you, but hers were just get they gave me tear. Now I'll tell you what my life I was. I was I was the underdog coming into the reception speech, but I had to punch a fair way. She absolutely iced that, didn't she? Yes, she did, she did. She did. And then and then your speech. Now that was the that was the one that gave me twos. I was like, Oh, you're working the crowd, you're walking around, you're like, you know, looking at people, making eye contact. I was like this is brilliant, this is absolutely brilliant. It doesn't get better than that. Yeah, it was crazy because I am I knew the kind of the framework of what I was going to say, but I was so nervous leading up, like I maybe had half a beer beforehand and traditionally a lot of people get really drunk. Whatever reason, they just want to feel happy, whatever it is, I knew I needed to stay relatively, if not completely, sober, to feel the full extended the emotions, and that went right the way through, basically to the reception and I ate some food and I was like, I'm really nervous. I'm like, because I'm the type of person if I don't say something, well, like I'll think about this for months in I mean, I'll be dirty or myself. So that's what led to the nerves. And you obviously spoke amazingly and I want to touch on that a little bit later. Your thoughts about how your role when everything else. Will get to that after and also my great mate at Alex came out of nowhere and kind of shocked me. I didn't realize who's going to talk, even though that was afterwards, and my dad spoke really well. My sister did too, but I just was wanted to speak from the heart. And then as soon as I got out there and I started talking and I'm like, Oh, I've I'm in the groove. It's just like I've hit the first one out of the middle and I felt like I could of gone or not. My I had to like I had to...

...like Bob and wave, like I just felt so good, man, and and I kind of feel like I in a really amazing sense. Hey, like I kind of figured out the solution to my anxiety that I have with public speaking, and that's the mindset that I have to get in in order to speak in front of people. And once I realize that, I'm like wow, I've just conquered like a really big fear of mind. So that was also really amazing too. And the big thing that I knew that I felt like I did well. Obviously people told me I did well. That is what it is like. You can take that how you like, but I can barely remember any of it. So I don't have nothing. The only time I remember anything is when I fucked up, and I don't feel like I did anything wrong. So I'm super happy. Maybe I wish that someone recorded it, but also it's out in the ether and you know, it is what it is. So I was so proud of it. Yeah, it was. It was just amazing. Yeah, it was brilliant. It's interesting because quickly I just wanted to touch on one thing before we move on. And that was the tears thing. Like I was thinking about that today as well. Is like for most of my life and most of our lives, like tears have been closely associated with like negative things, like you got into trouble or something really traumatic happen, and that's why I feel like now is adults, we're very good at suppressing those emotions because we've had that experience with it. And, like I've had real difficulty crying in situations when I really wanted to, and I'm starting to realize that we can also cry for love and joy and excitement and happiness, and when those when that's what you want to cry over, it's actually a lot easier to release that blocker that you have up when it's trauma. It's almost sometimes like what you want to do, when it's the other way around. Think about that and just let it go. I feel like that would really help. A hundred percent. I agree and absolutely agree. And when I when I speak a when I was saying like, I truly it's like I was I was jen there was a level of emotion that I couldn't explain in my words, like we're talked about before, right. So, yeah, don't really. The closest thing I could link it to was crying, right. But in saying that, I was also so like excited about for you and like so in the moment that I like I didn't really cause I was. I if I, it was almost like if I it's hard to explain, in my head, it makes sense, which was if I was, if I started tearing up, I felt like I felt like I was going to spend more time being in woods then being, you know, in the moment. Yeah, if that makes sense. So I think that's why I was I felt more easy to be in the moment and focus on what's happening right now. And then, yeah, well, you forget about emotion very quickly because I was like, okay, this is next thing is exciting, this is funny, and then, yeah, that's right. You don't want to do you kind of you go into a little bit of like self reflection mode when you cry. Sometimes they like it becomes very internalized and you kind of yeah, that that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, because soon as you cry, whenever you cry, there's a there's an inner, inner cinema going on. Right you see a flashes of what's we've been through and what's been happening, but that moment it was way too good to have been having flat to be having flashes or you know, because, yeah, yeah, I think now, I'm it feels easier to cry about the hound of happiness than it did at that point. That makes sense. Totally, totally. Yeah, but yeah, maybe a little bit of rewiring for all of us there too, because I feel definitely that's the case for me also. Yeah, absolutely. So, I think look over or all pretty pretty brilliant and and I think I'm the I'm the saying what you said about the speech, speech I made, because I wrote a whole speech out and I think I mentioned this to you before. Yeah, I went so off script, like nothing. I just like yeah, gone. I think I understand why, and I think I might have even asked you, but what was your thought process behind that? Because you and I'm sure you said mostly what you wanted to say, but like, when you go into that sort of setting, why do you choose to speak from like your heart and mind instead of what you wrote down and prepared? Well, even it just seemed too it seemed like I didn't want similar story, similar to what I was saying before. If I say, if I was trying to read and try to remember what I wrote in the funny thing is I had memorized the speech but I just wanted to have the phone in front of me to say, hope, what was I going to talk about? Right, yeah, so you can stuck up there. Right. Didn't get US stuck up there. But when I when I got up there, I had blood so much to say that I was like what was just no fucking point actually looking at the what I wrote because, yeah, that was you know, now everything is changing like that. I guess better. If you can do that and like it. Some people speech writing is good, especially if you're not comfortable talk in front of others. But if you feel like you can speak from the heart, always do it. I like, always do it, even if it's never as clean and tidy. I feel like when you're looking at words like you're focusing more on how and what you're saying instead of just letting it go, and kind of letting go is like the big part of it to write. Well, that's exactly right. So that was it was. It was pretty interesting and you know, it's interesting because when I started, when I started speaking at the beginning.

I was like you know what, this, that, and obviously coming up with things. It's so interesting because having people there that I knew made it much more difficult to talk at big at the beginning, the when I first got the MIC, obviously trying to mcye right. Yeah, you know it that there were people that I knew made him much harder than talking in front of like I've talked in like you know, for example, conferences or big meetings. It's always been easy because I don't really care about those people, if that makes sense right. Yeah, and yes, yeah, but when I when I talk to those people, it's almost like I'm talking to the void, right, so I don't really I'm not really thinking of any of them. I'm just giving them what I think. How do you go with eye contact when you're speaking like in that setting? On that I was mostly I'll pick uple of people and I'll just look at them. Yeah, or like I'll look around the room and I'll acknowledge him and a lot of the time I mean a way more control. So another a smaller, small example of this idea of a little I give a little presentation of this new implementation the system we're going to implement today, right, and I was just looking at one of the person that I had in mind that I knew was gonna, you know, that will benefit of from a lot, and so I said, I said, Hey, you know Jerry. Their name wasn't Terry, right. I was like, you know, Terry sign you. Yeah, Joe, Jerry, you have particular issue. We could work with that. That will be that will work, wouldn't it? And then that person was like yeah, absolutely. So it's much like in that and it's much more power driven versus in that sense, it was all vulnerability because I knew everyone and I was there speaking on like almost on behalf of my best friend. So it was a lot more real. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't about the things that I'm good at. It wasn't about, you know, totally really are told. Yeah, so might. I've heard a rumor. Is this true? Have you been getting people at work to call you Jeff Jeremy Actually, as in Jeff Bezos? Yeah, but I've been a bit pushing for it. Yeah, just said, yeah, call me besis surpass. Yeah, that a podcast other day, but I think there's some serious diggy with interview the other day anywhere. But like the eye contact thing was really weird for me because normally are I like the eye contact because it is personal. There's also something too, about us looking directly someone those that you sometimes can get a little bit distracted and you forget what you going to say. I guess the only thing for me is because I needed always like, I really had to be thinking about what I was saying because I didn't have it in front of me. I looked at people, but I didn't look directly at them, if that made sense, and maybe that's the only thing takeaway negative, not negative, but the only thing I wish I did better is I was like, specifically, I would like, man, if I could have done that thing again, I would have liked anyway, doesn't matter. Older like specifically at night. It's all right, it's right. Well, it doesn't. It doesn't work like. I mean, think about it. You've got what sixty, seventy people or seventy odd people in the room. How are you going to like? You know, who you're going to choose to look at anywhere? Rights that mean? Yeah, little different. Who Do you choose to give your eye contact to anyway? So it's easier to do now. That's what I was doing. I was the most suspend time that I spend looking at was you, and Charlotte more so, and then couple of other people. Yeah, funny, you said. You know, just just look around the room. Maybe you know a couple of people. So I looked at here and there versus, you know, trying to look at people and what they had. Everyone is yeah, yeah, I will say when I said a couple of jokes that were like a little bit of a role of advice, you know, there was a few people looked at that. I knew we're going to laugh, and then that made me feel better. Then everyone after it was all good. A hundred us. I let's see people that. You know it just going to fucking crack up at this stupid shit. You say, good times, good time. Look, there was a couple of delayed laughters on my jokes and I was like, yeah, excuse me, it's it can happen when people don't know who you are exactly, that in trying to kind of figure you out as well, like you might have shook their hands before the ceremonial or they might actually be the first time they're ever hearing you speak, so they they're trying to like and they know me outside of how we know each other, so they're trying to kind of figure that out. And like even one thing that Alex said. He like called me little foot, and people like at first no one laughed or like, did you just say that? And then I laugh really loud and then everyone else laughed. So sometimes that's all that happens. But that's the thing with any tight type of joke, tall telling or storytelling, like, as long as the person that you're telling the story to and about understands, which I completely did, that's really all that matters. So that was I wouldn't worry anything about that at all. But yeah, absolutely, it's laughing is really it's tricky. It's generally easier when people are emotional, but it's also like sometimes they can it's a roll of the dice to but you know, I and make this might be a good segue into a point I had that was just about like your role, not just as my best man but also as the MC of the night, as the reception. Like I felt like you did such a good job and I could totally see you being your self up there, and that's exactly why we asked you and why I wanted you to do it. So I was like so...

...proud of you the whole night. I just couldn't take my smile off my face. It was just so good. Yeah, like I really truly enjoyed that. I mean it works. It works for our dynamic as we are as people anyway. Yeah, yeah, you know, and between the between the way we behave and whatnot. And then, on top of that, you had the fact that like, I was super excited and like, yeah, like it was just excited like I would have like I could not imagine being at your wedding and not doing that, if that makes yes, hundred percent that's any. Funny part about it, too, is like, even though we asked you and it was like felt like an obvious choice for you. Also, I was like this is the perfect fit. Yeah, and like only think only thing I would say and do is like I kind of I wish I did more, if that makes sense. Like that's the only thing I but I don't think I like it as in like be but more like organizing stuff as well. But then again, it's difficult when you're just that's living far away. And Yeah, yeah, it's one of those things too, and also like a little bit, especially the the start of it, like kind of the structure of the night was a little bit up in the air. So you kind of had a roll with the punch just the first few goes. So you were kind of like fighting and uphill battle and then you broke through that and smashed it. So like that, that's you know, it is what it is. It's totally fun. He's what it is. What it is, baby, it is what it the we we need to get that sound effect in here saying we do yeah, and it's straight on you. It's already on your phone as your ring tone, which is pretty gangster as well. It's really it wouldn't be too hard. What it no, just give me a call every time you have to see something. Another interesting thing that I was thinking about for the whole night, like the because I've been working Bonville for like eight, eight months my I was always concerned a little bit that because I was at work for the wedding, that I would feel like it would not feel the best because I was at work. Right but I tell you what, it did make me feel like so ifing comfortable. It's not even funny. Like I was so comfortable, like I feel like I could go anywhere, obviously, talk to anyone, walk anywhere. It actually was like the perfect scenario, weirdly enough. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, that does make sense. I think there's a level of comfort that you get from a workplace because you know, and I've done a few weddings as well, like you know, I've been with the guys who have been serving and heading out food and pouring drinks and that sort of thing. So I think that really helped a that was like it wasn't surprising, but on the day it felt like, wow, this is actually like perfect, and I was like golfers in the background that we playing in, the members that knew me that were waving it. It was just it was so cool. It was just the best. It was. It was pretty cool. It was pretty really it was a great night overall. Just, yeah, absolutely memorable, memorable. Nothing or nothing off that night was work is yeah, sided that you we should change or what? Totally as yeah, it was so pass what was what was your thoughts on like the whole venue and the setup and the way everything was, like the food and just the actual venue itself, how it all looked in the golf course itself. Like how freaking beautiful was the thing? I Oh, brilliant, beyond my expectations. Like yeah, I mean to a couple of weddings and like the last metting I went to was also on like a big property, right, but that property was, you know, you can hide those properties and call me do with them to do the wedding, and everything is self managed, right, but having that act, that staff, that professionalism, just gave it that edge of perfection. I really truly feel. HMM, because you could, you could come to do the whole venue and then have that, you know, not a state right, which is great, but just that edge of like having the little professionalism into it as well. That is right. Yeah, yeah, so it just, you know, just just a little bit of crowd control, People's behavior control, because you know if they really any like that. Yeah, yea. So it's brilliant. And on top of that, you know that little photography activity. That was phenomenal. Those songs amazing. A. Yeah, shout out to Dan, who he said he's actually going to get the edits back to me this week. Bro, that's like eight day turnover, man, like, you know, we'll see how it goes. Maybe it'll be six weeks, but like he's reckons he's going to be able to do it within two weeks. Like that's pretty amazing, the amount of photos he's talk how well he did it and the personality he was and it was just, yeah, it was so good. It's brilliant. It was brilliant. Well, you know, I'll tell you what, though it may of being in the excitement of your wedding, but I didn't want him to come join us on one of our episode of the PODCAST, did you? Yeah, Bruno, he's got N he's got such a good personality. Hey, he do so well, so he's yeah, he's really professional to but also very fun. So yeah, he would. That's a good idea. I thought it was, yeah, interesting because he was mentioning to me that he has he's tried starting a couple of podcasts, but has an cast couple of it. He says, yeah, yeah, I was like, you know what, brilliant, let's do it, let's let's have a chat and let's see what we can do. Champ, yeah, that's totally yeah, look, absolutely Brilli yeah, it was. It was great. And those, you know, running around in the golf buggies cart. Golf carts just so much fun. Yeah, if it a have nearly bloody destroyed them. So, but I guess to give a...

...little context to it, basically, after the ceremony we've got all the formalities of the sum already done. We got all the post wedding photos and then with the photographer the bridal party, so the three grooms and the three bridesmaids and the bride and groom, we went out onto the golf course and got some really good action, live shots. So we spent about two hours out there, which absolutely flew right. Like you know, it was so crazy. I quick that went. We went to the driving range, we went to a couple of holes that had. The thing about bond view. It's ride in the foot of the like is right in the middle of the mountains, so there's heaps of slope and Undulatian like this, heaps of curvature on the course, so it's just like perfect photo angles. So we would be standing in formation or in different spots, the fog, its photographer would below or above us and would just get perfect background shots. I'm not exactly what the what that would be called, but like one of them has the great dividing range, the mountain in the background. There's beautiful trees on course. So we just had so many great photos that are going to be taken and I'm so excited to see them. And then we got to drive around in golf carts. They gave us food. We had like amazing like Plat of food, and we also had like drinks on the on there were just the first real drinks we had of the day and that was really cute too. And Yeah, that was so much fun, was it? It really was. It really was just a we're old brilliant. Yeah, well, right, I think that kind of wraps up the wedding. Talk the wedding. Yeah, we summarize that really well, I think. Yeah, that could that could be a whole podcast the wedding. Totally. Yeah, totally, like I could break down, I could go timeline, we can talk about you know that the day how we were like kind of rushing, but it was we saving seat. I was meant to be this way because we had to be under a little bit of stress. Pressure. Well, you that' stess. Yeah, that's a hundred percent, because it just gave that energy the day and having all the boys around. We went back to your apartment. You guys stayed and got ready there. So the whole day was just so gone and obviously seeing you guys, you terrence and Gavin, who I've seen recently, but saying like Rhaz and Tim and and you're probably who I haven't seen for years, was just so amazing to so big shout out to those boys who all contributed in their own ways of making it like such a good day. And Yeah, it was really amazing. So if I could lead you into a little bit of an open question for you, and obviously we've spoken a little bit about your relationships, that it's currently just jacky, but like, did have you fought anything about what you would want to your own wedding to look like, or did it bring up any emotions for you on that end? A hundred percent yes, absolutely agree. When when, again, once again, when Charlotte did her I was I was like, but this is one of those this is single, the single most beautiful thing I have witnessed in a very long time, and I witness and beautiful things. I'll do that look. Yeah, absolutely, and I was like you know what this is, this is what love is, right and and I've always had a weird relationship with with love. Did he just say relationship? And Shit, yeah, weird relationship with love, right, okay, right, the idea of love, right, weird relationship of idea of love. Right, because I could never explain, explain it right, and there was never there wasn't that much context around me that I seen to see what true love you know, what would be right. So it was easier for me to just disbelieve and, you know it, discredit love and as it stands, right, honestly. But I mean over the years I've gotten better as a person as well. Right. Can you explain that if you don't have to go fully into it, but what do you mean? Yeah, absolute, you would discredit it. Yeah, and like I didn't. I didn't think I didn't the way people the way love is explained, right, and then you've got the fairy tale love and the way it has messed about it, Ey, but like, I know you're honor yeah. So, yeah, the the way love is always sold right, in in a capitalistic way, if that makes sense. Right, you got the Disney love, Disney version of love. You got the film version of love. Right, that's the only really constructual constructionalization of love that me or most people have. Right, that makes sense. Right. May Be I'm a I'm a I'm a highly optimistic person. Right. However, I'm also I'm a pretty quick to see what things are and what things aren't, like really good judge of care, pretty good, quick judge of what thinks, what's true and what's not as well. So whenever I saw those films and the constructualization of love that people made out to be, I called it, I was like, well, what, this is bullshit, right, this, that's not how it works. Right, you know, there is no happily ever after. Right, although this is what I said at to you, at your Indus speed, said, you know, and this is what I actually may I said those words. I said I wish you your own happily ever after, your own which which me, which is different, because it's very, very often...

...is easy to define happily ever after as the Disney version of love, but love isn't like that, nor is relationships, nor is any two couple or no, are any any too other, you know, symbionic relationship that people may be in. Right, it's never so in sync. But you can work at those things. You can. You know you can. You can make those work. Right. However, that's not the point, right, that's that not trying to say how love works. But but what I'm saying was right. But seeing hearing Charlotte say those bars and, you know, hearing you say those your bows and holding your little baby, and it was I was like, okay, this is the most perfect constructualize it, constructualization of love as it stands, because despite the trouble, despite the struggles in despice ups and despite despite the downs, despite the thick and the thick and the sick, right, he's, you know, thick and the sick, when you know this is what this is what it truly means to be, you know, to love someone, and they you stand here and you know, do do have for these big moments and for what it means to you know. Yeah, so, though, I think, though, that was a good constructionalization for me, constructure. We learned to say that word. Might want it right to us now. I totally what you're saying, because it's it's kind of seeing it, if you're a little bit of a realization, and I think for a lot of people to who might be worried or might think about like a waiting for their opportunity to come along, and the only thing I can say from my perspective is just how natural it all is, and I also realize how very blessed my situation is to in regards to Charlotte, but also even when we're up there, when abby started crying during the ceremony and I was like, you know, do we grab our do we sort of do our own thing? It was everything was just so normal. It's just like, yeah, I don't have to worry, I'm so well, I'm so sure that this moment is so great that I had so much confidence. Yeah, that's grabbed abby and put her up here. She might be a little loud or whatever else, but let's do it. And the whole night and the whole way ship is really been that and I've not been worried about doing you know, we're just so comfortable together. So from my perspective, it was just like just doing what felt right and what felt normal and what felt natural, and I think that's kind of a real key to a success relationship, is making it as natural, and that probably relate to the to becoming one, because you're so confident in what you believe is the right thing that you're both kind of on the same wavelength. So I think in our own way we're kind of hopefully that. That makes sense. Yeah, absolutely, and that would that was really good for me, especially for, like I said, I'm not a pessimistic right. I'm in fact, I'm a highly optimistic person, hundred percentect sometimes too optimistic. Well, like a hundred percent. Yeah, and maybe I'm off that way, like people who don't understand you completely think that way, because you're just you're very to the point and you're very you're not cold, but you're you are matter of fact a lot of times. And like you say how you feel, and some people might say that as like you being harsh, and know, it's just your you're just very truthful. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's that's how I hold and, you know, and and or and over the last couple of months and last the aft of the pandemic, I've also been learning to not say as much when I don't need to, because over the years we will have those habits that I was like, you know, this is not serving me what I used to. I used to feel blank space, you know, with the words with which I'm not doing anymore, because you know, that doesn't mean I'm not an optimistic person. I'm I'm figured like a yeah, anyway, I'm blabbering now, but the point is I'm only optimistic, but I just had had no constructuralization of love. But that does give me that Solo and that's a credit credit to you and Charlotte to say that's how much. Obviously that's a great impact on me and I hope that wasn't other people as well. And I presume that's what weddings are in a sense, when this, you know, to also have to serve that purpose. Is What's which is that's what weddings are meant to be. One of my good friends up here, his name is Adam, he said that to us, like I've never been to a wedding that was so relaxed and calm and there was so minimal stress. So the fact that that's what was conveyed was just beautiful. Do you little side point, but do you think like entrepreneurship is kind of the manifestation of like ultimate optimism or like a hundred percent? Yeah, a hundred percent. It has to be, because you're trying to do something that doesn't exist yet. And you're hoping something with stick. Yes, you know, under the said a HRD re percent. Yeah, entrepreneurship is optimism or I can. Should put that into a post and post that. Shit like that is so perfect. That's a study. Very well, and that's right. It is like accepting the risks and everything else and putting the pressure on your back because you want to manifest something that even has never been created before, or you're building a path in your own life...

...that doesn't exist. So you have to be you have to be extremely optimistic while also obviously being very realistic and being very business minded and practical. Like optimism and practical can exist in that symbiotic relationship. They don't have exist. Yeah, absolutely, for sure. There's a there's a level of being unreasonable as well. I think you have to be unreasonable, as in you can't be a person who's logically driven completely. You have to, you have to, don't you don't your eyes and Cross your teeth, please, right, but you can't, you can't. Can't be reasonable at all. You know, you have to do things that to anyone else will seem most unreasonable, because that's the only way, you know, that's the only way growth happens because you know you have to, you have to be uncomfortable, unreasonable, you know, you know. It's like a great example of it is and this is funny enough, and this is a something at your wedding. Right, I realize, obviously Tim, Tim was there, great team, right, and when Tim was there, right, he was you know, he was fully involved in the wedding. Right. But the good thing what Tim is right? Tim doesn't drink, right, yeah, and at no point he seemed like he didn't in he wasn't enjoying being there, right, yeah, but also he didn't seem pressure to drink. He didn't. And you know he he went to sleep when he needed to. He Walk Up, went for a round in the morning after a long drive. Yeah, you know what I thought? I thought to myself around problems or tell to coughs arbor jetty and back all along the beach. Two things to take in. againservation there. That's like a k back there and back trip. And also on, not there and back, but K is round. And eighty percent of that is on send. For anyone who's run on seeing before, CAS is like a hunt like that's just ridiculous. and He, yes, it on like a Friday morning or Saturday morning, you know, after a wedding, eight o'clock in the morning, like no care in the world, is absolutely beautiful. Right. Yeah, absolutely. And then I thought to myself, I was like, that's a person who is unreasonable to the tea because he'd normal rules and normal logic doesn't apply to him. Right, yeah, because anyone else would go well, you know what, I'm not going to do with this, and I think that applies to not just an order, that obviously, or two, entrepreneurship or whenever you're trying to push limits, you know, because the whole essence of pushing limits is you have to defy the laws, whether it be of physics or of mental capacity, of human capacity, right or off, you know, business. And you know, yeah, hundred for sure. And I mean he's definitely a guy that has read David Goggan's book. Can't hurt me, like without that. I'm pretty sure that's his Bible. I'm pretty sure it's lives with that brief, you know. You know, it's you can't go too far wrong with that man. He's, yeah, super inspiration on just a good person to be around, right, like yeah, he's yeah, I think. Yeah, it's a brilliant person, you know. Yeah, that's all I have to say for him. I think. Will move on to the next butte the next. You're, I guess, you know, maybe a third time. Your second time actually spending real quality time in coughs harbor. What a kind of you like your thoughts and feelings about the place and kind of getting like a good couple of days to explore a little bit and just kind of live the lifestyle for a few days. I like off harbor, I really do. I think it's pretty brilliant place. I think currently, with my life situation as it stands, I don't think I could, you know, well currently because I have a job, so I couldn't write any well, you know, I'm not trying to be into the me. Yeah, but I was. I was good. I was gonna tell you right. However, however, the way, the way I planned my life to go, but you know, nothing ever goes as planned, right. Yeah, actually, my idea was that, you know, if if I could live six months in that kind of area, a year. Yeah, that would be pretty brilliant. Like, I would really enjoy doing that, like six months and off. Yes, six months on and off because I see I still want to spend some time, more time in the city because, you know, meaning New People and I, like us, I do like the hush of the city. Time to time myself, I missing a lot for sure. I like that as well, and I like meeting people, I like talking to New People, I like going in big groups and you know, all those stuff. I like the cafes and although there's brilliant cafe is in Sortel, but I like those city corner cafes and those city stuff. But another thing that recently has happened because I spend the past three years in Melbourne and my body is really climatized to Melbourne. Now that I'm moved back to Sydney and and I was in coase harbor I was dying of heat, like I'm the struck. It's like everything. And you know right now it's it's a blow who was born and raised in the Pakistan, you know, like literally in on the Equator, like that's pretty amazing at how the body is that.

It really is. It really is any you know in in like. So right now in Sydney it's nine tea. Let me see what's the temperature right? I think it's nineteen degrees right and for me right now, I know everyone else in my family's wearing jumpers and I'm like this is the perfect temperature now, you know. So, yeah, I think that's twenty. Mark is saying to the idea, but I think I just back to wanting the summer weather pretty soon. So yeah, well, that's right. And we're obviously entering the winter months now and we've had the coldest are, sorry, the wettest winter, sorry summer that cost hubs really ever seen. So that was another kind of blessed thing that we had was we had really good weather for the wedding to but it is it is pretty crazy when you think about how the body adjust in that way. And Sydney, I guess, has the it has a bit of both, like it has the hot weather, but it also has it's definitely not as cold as Melbourne, but we definitely can get some cold days down there. Yeah, UND percent, a hundred and ten percent agreed. there. Your current and moving kind of segueing back into the Sydney lifestyle a little bit. You're currently obviously just started a new job. You're living back with your parents. I think we've touched on a little bit, but maybe we haven't gone into it as much as we quick can or could have. How's that been like? Yeah, it's it's been good. It's taking a minute to adjust back to Oh, actually, before I could, don't say that. Ida was one thing I want to finish out when you ask me the earlier question. That still we know your relationship status. I actually want to touch on that quickly, right, but because now, but I want to finish this first, right, so to feel like Alex John, though. You know, listening, yeah, it looks it's taking a bit of adjustment because I've been living out of home for almost three or for three years, or more than three years, and having because I had so much space to myself. It's difficult having, you know, having people around all the time. So I'm trying to adjust to that. I mean it's nice to have people around, but I'm just still trying to adjust as to the way that works and you know how everything goes. So that's the only that's the only thing that I would say. That is little I'm still trying to get used to. Apart from that, it's great, I like it, I love it. You know, Sydney's good to be back in Sydney. I do truly Miss Melbourne, but you know, it is what it is, right, it is what it is. Yeah, you're at that point that, I guess, your I guess it's a good thing too, like you don't want to and maybe the maybe the setting of moving from Sydney to Melbourne was a lot different to or not the setting, but the situation behind moving from Melbourne. Sorry, steen in a melbourn from backwards, vice versa, I should say. He's different. So you kind of at a position where you're like a little bit, kind of like dealing with like you know, you still kind of getting over the fact that you're not living in Melbourne anymore. So I think as time goes on, once that sort of starts, you start to get it used to that, it'll feel more and more normal and and obviously, once you feel like you're in a situation where you want to move at home, I'm sure you would jump at the opportunity. But I think that's maybe one thing you can take from past experiences. You don't have to rush that sort of thing, like it's got to be the right time, it's got to be with the right people and it's just got to be in a place, particularly dealing with the structure of Sydney's traffic, that you've got to just take a b fine. One hundred and ten percent, though. Yeah, yes, I don't know. Yes, that is Sydney traffic. I forgot how, not horrible, but how crazy was, you know, it was just, it was just so. Yeah, Sydney Traffick is Sydney traffic. It is so what it's. It is what it is. Yeah, so I'm going to quit yet quickly. Going back on the judge. All we talked about right in regards to this is but obviously so. Currently I am single, right, so, you know, not in a particular stage of any relationship. However, in saying that, you know, obviously being at our wedding and, you know, being around, you know, a couple who's getting married as well, it's an interesting it's an interesting thought, thought process that I do have, none that I'm having, which is, you know, thinking, Oh maybe I do want to consider, you know, consider getting married, not that I did not before, but you know, it's just a recent thought that I've had because of being at a wedding recently, so, I think, which is which is really interesting. You know, as they say, you know, getting clucky. Are you so not getting clucky? But, you know, just just a thought, I presume, and I'm sure everyone who was at the wedding, or is normally a tense wedding, and goes, you know, any logical and a reasonable person would think to themselves and go,...

...you know, maybe, you know, maybe I am maybe I should consider and think about getting married and what not. You know, the usual so, which which I think is very interesting. However, obviously the fact, the fact is, you know, you can't, you can't go, Hey, I want to get married and then just, you know, someone shows up at your daughter marrow, because that's not how it works. However, as much as Mama would love that to be the case, as as much as Mama would love that she would go, you know, just someone would show up at your door. That's not how it works. And and you know, the goal of marriage and I think, obviously I don't need to tell you this, but I think the my point of view on marriage or up, I think it's a bit of a partnership right, in fact, it is a partnership, right. So you gotta you know, it's you can't marry someone or you can't be with someone who you think is just hot, right, because that's not going to last very long. You're going to get old, they're going to get old and that would be the end of that. Yeah, however, you know, what does last is you know your and you don't even have there's another misconception to think that you know, you have to have a lot in common. Right. I don't think that makes a difference either. Right. I think what truly makes a different is what you're you know what you're why and like you know what. If you're wiser, intertwined and what you see, the way you see the world, your point of view and where you aim to be is, is what? If you guys have that in sync, that's what makes a good relationship. But and that's what you know, I think that's a marriage that would last as well. But how it's hard to it's hard to come to that conclusion. I mean you could probably could be summer tomorrow and come to that conclusion very quickly. But on average, I would presume, and I think it's not as easy as just meeting the first person you know and then they are in sync with where you want to be, because you know in true sense. If I was to describe someone, that WHO I'd love to be with would be the person who is kind of person wants to explore the word and who wants to, you know, wake up, wake up every morning, you know, and you know take on take responsibility, not for me or for themselves, but take on responsibility for the greater good. Right, someone who, you know, is excited about life, someone who loves live and all those things that I want, the way I see myself and the way I want to be, and I think those things are being important for me at least. Yeah, a hundred percent. And you know, there's the cliche. But when he when he meet that person, as he gets a nom normal, you realize it begins to make more and more sense that this is, this is the person that the rest of my life with. And you know, it's it might not be the one. If you will, they might be multiple ones, but I have no doubt, I have complete an out of the faith that you will find that person. You'll find that person, you know, when you're least expecting it, and as long as you're on the right path, which you are, terms of working towards the better person that you want to be. In the best person you can be for them, as Charlotte just comes in the room and flashes me. Shout it to Charlotte. You. Yeah, you'll come in and be that person that they need you to be and who you need them to be when the right time is, and that's why I like manifestation is really important because, even though it's not happening right now, if we start to build towards that, it starts to fall in place, and you actually had to. Hopefully that makes sense. You had two really good points that I wanted to quickly go over and touch on. The first one being physical attraction, and that's really important, obviously, because you have to you have to have that in order for the relationship to work, but it won't last longer than a few months because, just like anything, you get desensitizes to it. So you obviously need to build more and more from there. And the second one being the yeah, that's so true, and you don't have to have all that much in common. You just have to have a willingness to OPE, be open and explore what the other person has in common, and you don't have to love it, like Charlotte didn't always love coming to watch me play cricket, or she didn't love, you know, at first, going to the gym, but she definitely did after a while. Didn't always love it straight away, but she had this willingness realizing that I cared and loved about it. So she started to at least pretend to give a shit, and that eventually manifested itself to and then difference is also really great too, because you you know, no one really wants to as much as you think. So you don't want to be, and I don't mean you, but we might have this conception that you want to be with that same person. Things get really bored and old really quickly. You need diversity, you need change, you need new experiences, and those are all also really important to but like the willingness to travel, the willingness to explore new things, even if those things might not be what either one desires, I think is kind of another key ingredient as well. And and ultimately, just the embedterment in the prosperity of the other person is what's going to see you through. So once you sort of start to see those things manifest himself, you'll you know, it'll be, it'll, it'll, it'll happen very easily. So once that...

...does happen, I'm so excited for when that does because it's going to be the best thing ever. Absolutely. Yeah, I appreciate that shout. Thanks for that, but you your one hundred percent. Quit just quickly because I had another thought that I wanted is as well. It's like the in regards to attraction. Right, attraction definitely has to be there, like physical attraction. But sometimes it's like when you look at an instagram post, because of course I have to make an analogy, right, instagram pull. Sometimes you have to look at the yeah, you got to look at the caption, what the caption halls and not just what the image has, right, because just like that image, that image will go very will very fade very quickly out of your memory, but that caption may just, you know, may just stick in your brain and and attraction and like the physical appearance, goes very quickly. I'm just saying, look at my pictures from Lakin's wedding. It looks like, you know, I was Zen Molek's, you know, cousin. But I'm just saying right on to the Post that day. Yeah, right, then is in mole's then one. I's cousin, but you look at me in real life. I'm just saying, you know, just don't don't know. I seem like Zen MOLEX' ugly cousin, you know. So it's attraction is very situational. So the sorry, physical appearance is very situational. But you know that that appearance or the physique, the emotional attraction is, I think it's what leaves an imprint. That's that's so at this one more thing that I want to say before you wrap up any of your ideas, and then that could probably set the tone for the next of the following episode. Beautiful, beautiful. Go ahead. Okay, cool, okay, so we all know that all the is humans have, this is has notice before I say this, this has no context to anything we spoke about. Right. It's just a thought that I've had all day and I wanted to say something about it, right, just like so we all know humans have technologically advanced, right, and we we have evolved and done technologically evolved and done all those things right. We have computers and moving forward, will have new links and all those kind of things that enhance us to give us the capacity to you know, capacity to be, in a sense, be free of silly things, you know, whether they be like, you know, constantly getting distracted and you know, you know, not being interested, like you know. So technology is helping us do those things right, and technology is advancing further, and I presume technology will get to the point where it will we will have a symbionic relationship with that, where we are in a sense, you know, you know, it does help us behave better, right, that's at least the hope, right. It could go completely sideways, however, right, and we take so that's our technological advancement or, if you will, technological evolution. However, I had this thought. Right, what if they were too strength to the same evolution? Instead of a technological advancement evolution, there was a mystical, more internal driven, like a well, like a Miss Mystical, you know, like a soul driven evolution. That was the that was possible for him as but we completely miss the mark where, you know, where we didn't need the technology, right, because we didn't need any of the technology where, you know, we were kind of like, if you think, think of the dolphins, right, how you know, this smile of Shit, right, and you you know, make they don't need houses and they don't need those telephones and mobile phone because they communicate. You know, they communicate. Why are you know, literally with you know, through the ether, or, practically speaking, you know, why was the word Teleconissius, if you will, if they don't, but I'm saying, yes, it's right. It's all over the air and they can communicate. Or hundreds of miles or kilometers. Right, don't quote me on it, but I know it's something crazy long distance, right. We couldn't even dream of communicating that far without a mobile phone or facetime. So I just wonder, like five Jay's incomparable, right. Yeah, I just wonder. I just wonder, right, what if we want as him and the human race completely miss the mark and we just went down the complete role, you know, the other side of evolution. What we could have had, you know, of just, you know, just being the beings who were being, but not necessarily too busy building these buildings and stuff, because all of this stuff becomes unnecessary if we are do you know, all this stuff is only there, is because we are ever so fragile, right, but if we weren't so fragile, like in a sense where we could talk to each other or hundreds of miles just by, you know,...

...by using the our vocal abilities or teleconnisis and all the stuff. This is completely theoretical. Obviously, I'm not courting any paper. It's just a thought that I had. Right, yeah, but if humans continue to evolve in a way that technology became that significant of a component of our lives, then the kind of the power that technology has in terms of communication and he's like, access of information would start to mold itself into our being. So that's like completely rational, like it's yeah, yeah, Ye, know, it's theoretic. Call its some of the smallest people in the world believe that's inevitable. Yeah, absolutely, that's that's exactly right. So if we didn't, if it didn't, if we never created technologies, that's it. If we never created technology, right, if we never invented technology, or the essence of technology or tools to help us, would would we have evolved to be so mystically abled that we didn't need, you know, external help, so to speak. But what do you mean? What? What's the context behind mystically abled? Well, so being able to communicate with someone longdistancing because it was a requirement of the board requirement for humans to communicate and people moving around. Our bodies adapted, just like how my body it does a different temperature, adapted to developed ability to communicate a wor long distance, right it. Just just imagine that. I mean this is come complete bullshit, right, but think about it. Just imagine for a second. Because we didn't have any phones, our bodies evolved and picked up the ability to communicate a long distance. This is a small example. What would if you took an IPAD into the first world war? What would they call that? Well, that's exactly yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. So or like. But would we need that ipad if we didn't never invented technology or the access right. Apology is a good point too. That's a good and then, you know, and then you got the idea of let's say, you know, we got cars, right, or you know, for example, we got cars or people back in them base trying to keep the IPAD alive. They'd be blowing on it and try to get it wires. It's literally actually that exists. You know what's funny? There is a there's a an old story about the first time they had lanterns in the street. The street lanterns before the street lamp scape, you know, original street lamps. So apparently when that came around, people were so shocked and so turned off the idea that they thought it was gonna kill everyone because they had light, you know, and they thought people are going to die because they couldn't handle the fact that there was little flames just around the street lighting it up at night. So this is just the constetualization of to like to think how we need. Different Times have been, but yeah, totally. And in regards to those concepts, I like to phrase in a way that I'm suspiciously optimistic. So I'm suspicious in the sense that throughout human history one of the people have been given it opportunity to exploit power, they have done so. So if they had ultimately get control of other people, than they're going to exploit that. But I'm also optimistic, one because I believe that's the best way to live. But too because there's been, you know, emms and flows of certain things, but the for the mass majority, the vast majority of times, the good has always one. So that's the optimism as well. So I choose not to I choose not to be tied to one side of that argument. But I think, sorry, suspiciously optimistic is a good way in that a good way to be in that regard, and I just hope for and this is my own belief, I hope that once there is a line in regards to the merge of Technology and Human Psyche, I hope that once a line is there, it isn't crossed and there will be people that all cross that line, but I hope that we get to a point where, once that line is there, we're all pretty aware of it and we all decide to not take a step or take a step on our own choosing and nothing like that's forced. And I guess that why, you know, something like conspiracy theories. For me, even though, as I'm getting older, I'm start to believe in the detriment far more than I am in the positive and upside of those sort of things, I believe still very fundamentally in the concept of their being aligned, and you also having to stick to that as well. So that's that's certainly why I choose to be, you know, suspiciously optimistic, but in the same sense, like how many things have happened recently and over time where we just didn't see him coming or happening either, and you know, that's fuck it. Let's, you know, do it. It is what it is, so it easy or as of as of right now, obviously, the big story, you know, predominantly the big story in the news and in regards to people's lives is the out, the rolling out...

...of the vaccines, right and obviously, if you're functioning human primate who can breathe and has two wise you understand and you know why vaccines are good, because they provide defense, your immune system at offense to file off disease. The only thing that I'm concerned with is people's right to choose is being taken away, and there's obviously a difference between the right to choose to not kill someone like murders like. No, you shouldn't have the right to choose murder. Obviously, if you're going to murders on, you murders on, but also the right to have free will. That's the thing that I do not wish to lose and that's the thing that sort of terriformies me a little bit. So, even though there's plenty of people out there that jump to conclusions and they read one side of the narrative on both ends. I believe that we still need to exist in a site society where we can learn and understand except people's opinions, even though they might differ, and so those lines are starting to get emerged a very tiny but it's not enoughed. It's not enough at the moment to worry me and I hope I know it. You know what I'm saying at the moment, even though I'm being very kind of vague about it just because I don't actually know exactly how to articulate it. I just hope people were, I hope people are understanding of there's a line that we may potentially be crossing and I just hope we don't cross that line. It's all the beauty of the society we currently live in, as Florida's Western society is it's major it's major positive is freedom. You know, it's society in general. I think one of the greatest thing and every nation has fought for it has been freedom, regardless of what nation it was, whether it be Western society or Indie, our Pakistan or whatsover. Right they've been in the worst situation then they were, but they fought for that freedom they chose freedom over being in under control of tire and even that was a better life. Right. So freedom always. Now, I absolutely know what you're saying, right, because, first of all, I have over strong opinion about I think most people are. Most people are bunch of eggs with absolute their opinions are so invalid that they should be slapped on the face. However, you drop them one the crack. Yeah, they dropping, you dropping ones. They cracked. Right, they have like, I mean they've got. Their opinions are equally as valuable as as freaking you know, a cardboard that's we've been recycled fifty four times and now it's absolutely useless. Right, the opinions are so freaking useless that you genuinely want to slap him on the face, and I could not. However, everyone has the right to have the opinion and the ability to choose. That is the fundamental human thing. Right, you have the ability to choose. Drive. So if when you talk about vaccine, right, look, whether you choose to get the vaccine or not, that's completely up to you. I'm not saying you, La Clen as, I'm saying anyone right hopleicly up to you and you should be your should be your should have the ability to choose that long ass, as long as that's not impacting either me and, you know, other people. Right, long is your ability to choose is not impacting other people, that's fine. So that's when it comes into like murder and whatnot. Right, however, however, because if you're the go busy, we're not specialists on this, right, but right, just just just as that through adiologists. We're not. Yeah, not, statistics acts, but yeah, not. We're not healthcare professionals. You know, we're none of those things. All. Yeah, just as an idea. Right, talking about covering, because, yeah, it just says go, talking about covid nineteen, but I means, if you will clear dem talking about the old old, you know, our old mate nineteen, right or hell, way to glaid and yes, what. Yeah, yeah, I love that. I love that as yeah, I are all made it in plus one. Right, it's when you think about that. Right. So, if these, if this are thirty, you know, ten to fifteen percent of people who don't want to get the vaccine, and that's their choice, as long as that's not going to inhibit the ability of me and another person or another person to move around freely, which, from what they're saying is seems like it won't, because they probably won't. Will Never, never, you know, evaccine everyone, because that just doesn't happen. You know. Yeah, because there's probably some dude name, you know, Jazz A, who lives in for but fuck nowhere. Good luck trying to find him trying to vaccine him. Right, so you probably never. So as long as it doesn't impact me, and that's fine. So they should have that ability to choose. However, and I presume in that vaccine sense, I think a mass majority would go I when I get the vaccine. However, it should be a volunteer choice that you're putting into your body. Yeah, that's right. And you know, they o a kind of aisle of the argument of the other side of the Ile,...

...and the one that I totally subscribe and agree to, is like, you know, sure, as of right now, we're doing really well with this thing and things seem to go back to normal, but once we allow international trouble and once we allow this thing to get rolling again, like there is a potential that it will start to spread again, and it's like, okay, what's the risk? Factors for everyone. And you know, we now know that, like what's the risk factors for everyone? And we now know that the government's choice in fighting this thing is one either get everyone vaccinated or to shutting things down. So what are people willing to sacrifice in order to do that sort of thing? So I just think it's and I certainly believe that that's you know, that's why I can totally understand that the idea that the best way to get on top of this thing is to vaccinate everyone, because obviously this thing will spread again when everything opens up, because it's just what it is. It's highly infectious and it's out there. You're not what I mean. It's kind of just from there. How dangerous is this thing actually really? And I think asking that question has become vilified in a sense, and and that's, you know, that's maybe where I'm starting to get a little bit concerned. But also I do realize that it's just something like anything like if you if you, if you give a dog a toy. This now this is a pretty good example. No, no, I'll make it a human thing. If you give a baby a toy that she's never seen before, she's going to go what the heck is this? As she starts to get used to it and she starts to understand the sounds it makes and the surface that has, you'll start to learn how to manipulate it and move it. Then she'll start to figure it out. I think where it's still within that infancy stage, obviously, with this thing that we are right now. So things that you know previously we're a rational right now, a rational because we just don't know what's going on. So I have empathy and I'm deploying anthemy empathy. Shout out to Gary V. I'm deploying empathy on both sides of the situation because I understand both perspectives and I think that's one thing that we need to all try to do, is to try to see both sides of the aisle, if you will. A hundred percent agreed own, it's an agreed anyway. I think that's a good note to wrap up the PODCAST, although we went to a completely different prection and I know we could go totally but I think we did that really well and you know, might added another fifteen minutes or so, but I'm actually really excited to hear the whole podcast. Like I'm going to read listen to this whole podcast, but that last little bit, I think, was really like, this is just us talking out loud, but I felt like that was really well done on both our ends. So now that was beautiful, Bro and you know, I guess, yeah, we'll wrap it up here. You know, we're just going over an hour and ten minutes now. This is kind of the lengthy like to do. We obviously had the wedding, which is amazing, and so many great things that have come out of that. You know, Hashtag best episode ever. But now this is this is really good, Bro and you know, we'll continue to recommit to this thing weekly. Certainly that's one thing I really want to do on my ends. And this is just been such a great episode and we've just gone over so many things out float. Today has been so good. I really hope that everyone who's listened to it has enjoyed it. Episode Number Twenty two, of course, and moving forward we're just going to keep going deeper and deeper and we're just going to keep critical thinking. So maybe if you want to give us a little social media plug and then you can just say goodbye, and I think that's I think that's just.

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