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ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Welcome back to another episode of the Clever Dummies Podcast. In this episode we dig deep and talk about the craziness of 2019!! 

Aneeqe A. Khan & Lachlan Inwood

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Thank you once again for joining us. For this time it's episode twenty three of the clever dummies podcast and, just like the Great Taylor Swift, twenty two may have been the pinnacle. See how we go from there, but let's see if we could shift the tray just a little bit. I am lucky, as always, joined by a Nique. Always just a pleasure to talk to you. How are you going tonight, my friend? I'm great. It's a pleasure to talk to you as well. Just as always, it's brilliant to be here doing this podcast with you. Just the highlight of the week, you know, just just that feeling of getting up and, you know, doing some talking. Yeah, it's nothing quite like I'm added. I agree. It is certainly a real highlight of the weekend. Would you agree with that sentiment? You know that that after the twenty two album she just could quite figure it out. She just went too deep. Or what do we think? Some say she's got, some say she's making a comeback. Yeah, going back to our root. Say, I don't know. I think she she's done. Yeah, I mean, once the cats had our bag and people know you're a prick, it's hard to come back, is it. Nobody intended it, because she's got a lot of cats there. She does, she really does mat but of course, you know, it is a Saturday night. Might we're in the way hours. This is where we are, of course, night hours, and we do our best work, I believe. So let's roll on with it. Might Didnt. How have you been ma? What's been going on in a Nique Fille? Good, I mean good, keeping up the good work. As for usual, you know, it's just sending into this new job, which is you know, sometimes settling into the new job can be challenging because new culture and everything. So that's a that's been kind of I've been preoccupied with that. So it's been taking up a lot of mental bandwidth, bandwid if you will, a capacity. But apart from that, you know, kicking goals. You know, just started to get back into the routine of doing things and the usual, you know, just trying to get onto this bodcast as well, making sure we do a weekly one, so which is good. Apart from that, you know, just starting to catch up with people from Sydney again, because I recently moved back to Sydney. So yeah, it's been good. It's been good. What about yourself. Yeah, and now I've been good. Mate. It's funny, the routine thing you mentioned post wedding. It was a little bit like getting back on the track. I've maybe mentally I was to a little honeymoon period and I certainly felt a honeymoon period just in terms of kind of re re establishing just a little bit of happiness in life. And it was such a good day. And episode twenty two, which is out now. Of course you haven't checked it out, going to spotify, going to apple playlist, where ever you are, apple podcast story where you're listening to this and check it out. Those really good episode and Yeah, we spoke a fair bit about it and I guess just over the last week. Had a really busy week this week with the gym. was covering classes both morning and nights, doing getting a little bit better week by week at my kickboxing, certainly from a technical teaching at perspective I should say, and had a little bit of Uniwork to start off during the week. Got Into Bible study this week at Church. I was my second week doing that's such a eye opening experience because I you know, I know, I knew, at least I thought I knew it was it about and I have like the conceptual framework down. But going, you know, going just like anything, going in deep, it's just like a completely changes what it is. So had a really good week in that regarded. Finished off the last few days just pretty much working all day. But yeah, really excited for the weekend. Obviously just a little bit of time to hang out with Charlotte, my new bride of two weeks. So far, so good. No complaints from my end. Anyway. Maybe the same can't be said. Did you want to input it now? She's she's in the background tonight, so you know, if I get carried away, I'm sure she'll be quick to pull me up. And of course, our beautiful abigail. Shout out to Abigail. She's nearly nine months now, which is pretty crazy to think she's growing up so fast and she's eating so much and she's learning so much that. Yeah, it's been really good and the routine is well untually back on track and I feel all the better for it. Buddy, that's it. That sounds awesome to him. It's just always good getting into that routine and the rhythm right, that flow of things of just thinks flowing back and forward, just like this podcast. You know, it's always nine and, as a great man once said, where your focus goes, your energy flows rights the all times. We can shift our focus towards the positive end. Or Yeah, let's stick with positive. A we'll see how my brain goes to right. I feel like it's Farry Gold Day. Bro. I did this. I don't want. I want to say that so much like especially at my job at the golf course, like it's predominantly customer service based, so it's like meeting greats and really quick interactions. So you've kind of got to be fast on your feet. And my humor was up to scratch today. You know, people like to be funny on the golf course and say stupid Shit, and I was pretty good with that today. But anytime...

...the the conversation went past surface level, I was just fubbly. I was like a right, so you later Gosta how often they goh my gosh. But now it's all so far, so good, buddy. Yes, soon as the weather topic ends, you know, it's a whole downhill from there, you know. And we've had two days of the sun, mate, so it's been it's been good. It's give it these that but a much to talk about. That's right. That's right. I mean, I guess we can touch on that a little bit. Like you know, it's easier to think not quite this time last year. This time last year were actually all getting ready for the First Section of lockdown and will pretty active with the podcastmer and that time, and it was obviously a crazy time to think that's tall months away. But you know, eighteen months ago to about four D eight months ago, like, the fires were well and really in effect, and to see the complete opposite now and people struggling with the opposite end of the weather sphere is really crazy and just goes to show, particularly on the east host, how freaking unbelievable our our systems are, weather systems are. So I'm up here. We we got close to some of the thuds. Like we're pretty good in coss harbor because it is near the beach and we don't live too close to like lakes and the mountains to provide a bit of an issue. But we're really coastal. So it's like it's really flattened. The roads just get really wet and it's still drains pretty well. But I know out and even western Sydney, like near the damn that were pretty that were pretty nervous or a while. One day they still might be. It's more to come. Oh yeah, it's got. It poured down crazy it in fact, it actually started when I was driving back to Sydney from up your way and Robaly, how right, and new castles. That a bad first if yeah, new yeah, Newcastle. It just started pouring down rain and we couldn't we could really drive, honestly, and and they just pretty much didn't stop from there. So that was probably Sunday the previous week and it just didn't stop raining that whole week onwards. You know. So probably one of the more insane weather patterns, as as one would put it, and you know, as the as the older politicians put it, one in filmed one hundred, one in hundred fifty years event, you know. So they'm trying to always get away with US putting some random mats in there. It's like, how the fuck do you work that out? Yeah, so how do you work that out? Actually the let's be honest for a second. You know, when fifty year events are happening every five years like you know, it's a little it's not. Yeah, totally good. Yes, the F I was hundred fifty years event. The rain is a hundred fifty years. So. And where are you? Where you getting these stats from? Like, you know, he's a scheduled in in your calendar. Yep, hundred it way, hold on, it's hundred fifty year. Done, let it pour down, you know. So I don't know. I was thinking about those stats and those sound a big dodgy, you know, saying hundred fifty year event and those kind of things. I mean that's probably going to be the theme of the PODCAST. Any want to give away too much, but you know, hey, we go, let's get straight into it. The doginess that it surrounds us of misinformation and you know, was that gets said by, you know, power bodies or the influencers, and I'm talking about the real influences, of talking about the premiers of the governments and the you know and the prime ministers and the you know, all those people. But before we get into it, you know, on that weather the whole, by the scenarios, kind of I mean I like what you did there. Might we're concluding our topics before we jump to the next one. That's very good's exactly new experience for us, right. So before we jump any time, so maybe we're getting better after a twenty two. They got good signs early. So just on that. I mean it was a pretty insane event, right, and he was. Despite how many people suffered from it, it was kind of Nice to see people coming together and trying to help each other out. So, you know, shout out to anyone who was affected by the most. Definitely, yeah, floods and you know, thoughts and prayers up with you, but it was, in saying that, very nice to see people helping each other. There was some millionaire who was flying around in his helicopter helping people out with the food. But you know, those those things always a nice and you know, as they everyone says that's Australian way. I think that is the Australian way. So it's kind of Nice. Most definitely. What's that? He's a famous eyes, he made some money, who used to be in the military, he made money playing professional poker and he's got a dad, boss are and I wasn't dead. Was He was getting some social media content or that it was actually a legit purson. Whatever, I don't think it was done Basili. But what actually happened at Dan Brazilian this is still around. Well, he's ago yet, about six or seven years ago he had a heart attack in the midst of his parting life. So one just as the social media empire was taken off. But I imagine you still doing the exact same thing. It's just hard after a certain period of time when you're doing the same thing, it's hard to continue to, you know, remain relevant like he still. I'm sure how actually, if you're on his instagram, how many follows is the...

...big, big bad dude of? Well, I look like I've been Dan and no Brazilian came up. So we already know that really, and he's relevant. It's got three point two thirty two million followers and he's apparent to wow, apparently he's known as an American actor. What are you know? Must have been some dodgy films he's been in. I don't think I'm saying anything. Probably some you know, straight to DVD stuff, maybe self funded. It's probably well, so here we go. So allegedly he was in the lorn survivor. That's a good film, isn't it? Okay, yeah, that's with with what look at this brains gone. What's his name? It's a little big, beautiful bastard. He is in the massive guy with the Rock, but mirk war or, but what an amazing actor. Yeah, that was a really good, really good pure based off a true story as well. And you know, most of those movies are pretty crazy and Hollywood esk. But I've heard military people on part what podcast speak specifically saying that was actually one of the better done movies in terms of like actual real life scenarios, the weapons that we use in certain situations and the like, the commentary and that sort of thing. So it's kind of interesting when you see it from that perspective, like you think about how Hollywood wants to do their thing, like like Black Hawk down was another one, and that was meant to be based off real life events and it was Eric Banner og movie, still one of my favorite movies of all time, that one. But they were saying like that, like the way they spoke, the weapons they use, like almight was just spraying and praying. It was like pitch black and he had his night vision goggles that he was just but taste. He was just bloody rainbowing people. He's like no, at nighttime, you're so careful with your shots. are like wow, that's actually really you know, that's something that you don't know about unless you've been in the military. And they said that loan survivor is really good. So there you go. Maybe worth a re watch. Actually sounds good. Definitely put that on my watch. Loose hey just went down Brazilian, right, just go quickly. Going back on him right, if you look at it Instagram, his instagram is insane. That dude is insane. Yeah, it's almost it's like it doesn't even seem like real life, does it? He's just he lives lives kind of the the life that many people would dream about in terms of being constantly surrounded by above average beautiful women, heaps of money, expensive cars, you know, living with the elite. Like it's like, you know, I mean the the the question. The question come in in his one of his pictures right, which is posted roughly, I think last year, he's still using a two thousand and sixteen Mac so that's a question. It will behavior. You never know, could all be could it be of a show? But maybe, just maybe, he's just he's built. He's knocked in the groove so much. Did you now you have anything, but keyboards are like that too. May Have just pounded that thing out and hear like it's got such it's got that beautiful touch to it that, you know, it's just like a cricket back, you know. Well, that's it. If hit mill us, fuck, I'll do you that. Yeah, he's yeah, he's get up, for sure, he's arena. He's on the special source, but I mean, good wittens to him. You might as well be. Yeah, look, he's he's interesting to say the least. Yeah, definitely is. Goodness side note that. What kind of people follow him? Like? I don't, and I mean there's nothing inspiration but in insirational about him. Like you don't look at him. Go you know what? That makes me inspired. You know, you just gotta feel shit about yourself, if anything. Yeah, potentially it's pure. It's a little bit of like a secret thing. Are Not secret thing, but like something that you enjoy just indulging in and playing a part of that world. A bit of make preten, make pretend. But he's probably one of those pages, and I think I used to follow him as well because I just saw that something really cool like he did some he was. He did some like high like a roving camera shot of him jumping off this cruise and he had like guns and he was like it was really cool and I'm like, oh, that's cool, I'll just follow him. You don't have heat. I'm sure he's engagement is an over the high compared to the thirty two mill but I think people see a cool shot and they just follow and they'd go from there and there's obviously a lot of people that just want to feel included, I guess. I'm sure there's a lot of people that just follow. They just go to the top listed people and then they just follow him because like I need to be involved with this. The Rock is really different Thoy like he's got, you know, he's got plus a hundred, nearly two hundred me and he probably be closer to under me. And now top three or so followed. I think he was number one at one stage and out of all people, it's like Ariana Grande, like his right up there, which is crazy, but I'm he's a little bit different. You can tell he does and he I mean he's so he's selling everything at once, like it's a bit ridiculous, but he does a lot of his own stuff. It you can tell us coming from his mouth like it's I kind of that's what I respect about him, because he you know that he's got a lot of control over what he puts out and he's specifically typing it up and just writing it. Sometimes...

...it's just like Shit, you can just tell. It's like a Bro just thinking out loud, which is really cool. Most of these other pages I don't follow because it's just like when it's a professional team doing it, you just tell on. It just doesn't do anything for me. What about? You know? That's that's I totally get that actually, and in fact, funny enough, this is a little marketing inside right. So I've learned recently that anything that sounds too scripted and perfect people don't up don't appreciate anyway. So which is you almost wanna aim for unscripted off the top of your head. Kind of wibe going on as well. So even with the videos, the videos that are less professionally made get more attention than videos that are more professionally scriptulary made, just because people can relate with the more you know, yeah, like the longevity of that a yeah, he's I mean he's instagram page is just like instagram page of anyone. Like plenty of reports, just food, him talking. You know, it looks like almost you almost do to believe that is normal. Dude in yes, him, it's what it does so well. Really. Yeah, I mean him with his daughter. Seven, seven million likes on that. Yep, that picture. Yeah, he must be up there. It's yeah, I think if you go on the top this it's him. You'll have like a Renowdo, you'll have area and Grande. You have probably just some baber. I know he's right there. Mark Zuckerberg, a few of those guys. Yeah, Oh, past one hundred. That's the precedents now, like even even facebook has what like three to four active three to four being active users now, or not active necessarily, but people that have logged in over the last whole months. Like it. I remember was like the one being stage or yeah, it's just really it's literally a part of everyone's life now. Yeah, so you've got the top following a counties instagram, because I'm pretty sure instagram makes you follow them. Yeah, you've got to unfollow them. Turn not do it. Yeah, Christian another for by second. That's interesting that he's sacking out. Yeah, International Sport Man. Yeah, he and also, if you look at his page, to his borderline model and yeah, look, iron a ground is a bit of a bullshit because, yes, it feels that way, doesn't it? Wow, what is it now? It's just funny the way you said. It's still pop up there, David, back and back and probably not that hard, but he'd beat you know, he's be in the Ethis. So you gotta let's have what. I was just going to look at iron grund to speach to see what it what it entails, you know, but just quickly before we move on, as want to see who's the top five. Let's see. Yeah, we'll go on to top five because also, so you're gone. It's really interesting because it's it really is. You know that obviously they're fast, superior to any news out that they're fast superior to any mind. And even though we still would look at presidents and we still look at various news entities as being the place where people get the information and everything from, these these places are by far fire and excited that it's like people still have an attitude towards social media that it it's lack of importance, but it's total opposite to what that is. Sorry, just just just yeah, absolutely, and these people drive major influence and that's where the problem comes in. With, you know, obviously, someone like I in a grundy. I can tell you know she would go, she would say, let's vote. Were Biden right in America because hundred percent, and that seems to be the case where most artistic types are tend to be more left leaning, right, which is fine, like completely fine right. But I mean it's always been the case. And same thing with, you know, more tech giants as well. So you got the Jet Pazzles of the world and all those kind of people there. Well, I think it's nine. Yeah, the fact that there's like a there is a there's like a there's like a schoolyard, there's like a school yard pressure for them to be left leaning because of the pushback they get if they're not, you know what I mean, even if they don't, that's it. Yeah, yeah, it's because often the left is left side is left side is bit more, way more louder and way more likely to know, sclewed you from the group. So that's probably why. Yeah, so, yeah, so you go someone like iron a Grande Right, she would definitely get political, right, which is and and then she'd go, you know, are they? You know, she get political, and when they get political, it's like, I mean I have said a rock a little bit, not a lot, but a little bit of saying a couple of yeah, a couple of times like this last selection was the first time you ever endorsed, ever endorse the candidate. A lot of people did that against trump, for sure. So it don't say a lot of it, but yeah, enough that you go yeah, enough that there's more to it, I think. All right, I see why ore in a Grande has one of the biggest following. Why is that? It's just her, and I mean she's pretty attractive. Yeah, like you know, everyone just looks like she's just speaks yeah to the w'Y, not not speaking. It's just not that. I mean this is mostly pictures of her. Way She looks hot. Yeah, cat sure.

So they say yeah, yeah, money, and it's kind of like she was up there as being the most followed. So people are like yeah, gotta get it on that, and then it just continue. On top of that, she's got that you know that that she's like almost became like the symbol of you know, Feminine Femininity of Yeah, but she's like a tiny girl, you know that? That yeah, cute face and like obviously most of the her following is the majority of instagram uses. Like you know, which is that age? So okay, so we call it like thirteen to seventeen or thirteen to twenty one sort of thing. I think it's the yeah, it's probably more like fifteen to twenty five kind of range. That Dan. Yeah, sure, so, which is probably major one. I like, you know, same thing. Like I'm not about. Don't follow her, but I can see why someone my age would follow her. I actually went to I went to clean up of unfollowing all the post. That's yeah, yeah, most definitely. It exa and it it can, it does, consume a fair part of your of your mental Capac of your timeline. Yeah, that's right. To any realize how much you get on a roll with it. And the rock would be just a bros like seven, eight to thirty five, just the mail, which is another family, the boys. Yeah, so okay. So, just before we wrap this part of the conversation up, so we got top four, top top instagram accounts, so all the way down to just a biber being the last at sixteen hundred sixty seven million followers, which is still lots of number one is instagram, at three hundred and eighty eight million followers, followed by Christian Ronaldo at two hundred and seventy one million. Wow, so it's by are hundred. Yeah, followed by Arian a Grunde at two hundred and twenty seven, close behind, closely followed with, very closely followed by the Rock at two twenty four million. Two hundred and twenty four million, followed by Carlie Jenner at two hundred twenty one. Clue. They all very close. Yeah, CLEE LO COMA is at two hundred and seventeen, Kim Kardashian at two hundred and ten, Leo Messi at one hundred ninety one, beyonce at one hundred and sixty nine, Socco Bra so, big man. HMM, Justin Bieber last at hundred sixty seven million. Wow, and he's drifting away from the Hollywood ethos, if you will. So that's why he's not as rapidly increasing as much as the other guys like he's. Well, that's he's taken a step back from it enough. I was he'd be riding the figure it in. Know what I mean? Well, does he still what he should? Year older than I was? I think like twenty seven. So yeah, it's right, that age group. Yeah, and you know, good on him for finding his way and because he seems to be getting issued together. What that's what it yeah, like you married now and I'm just a yeah, yeah, married, and you know, good on him. He's about what? He's only seven now yet. So he's birthday was just recently passed in first of March. Shout up to shut up to the Babes. YEA, we wouldn't happen to know the star son is the first to March. Might or not, really, you're not really jo to Google it. That most definitely not. Now that's about it. Okay, but I'm glad you said glad you said that. I was about I just love that stuff. My Year. Well, you know, there you go. There's your weekly checking over. The following is that if you're feeling shit about your you know, six hundred followers and now, yeah, feeling proud. Now you know. Now you know where the mark is. That might keep crying over the mark. That that's right, all right. So today's topic right. So we're gonna get political, right. So, because seems to be the case that everyone's getting political. So let's get political as well as dig deep into some some of the conspiracy theory. So this is almost that. You know, you got the think of this as the JR Rogan is Alex, Alex Jones podcast with the day, the one we kept dancing around, but the one we finally need to address. Yes, I like it, actually, because we've said nearly every episode. I will get to it. I'm actually so I guess it's probably time, isn't it? You know, you know, before we start this, one thing I want to say, or in fact I want you guys to hear ready it is that's that's good at beautifully all right. So let's get into it, right. So, first of all, we got there. So much talk about right this. We could go anywhere politically speaking, right, but let's get the ball rolling. Which is the elephant in the room, or tear I say elephant, or the freaking months, the dragon in the room? Right, if you will. It is the room. It is the room, right, which is surpassed for, you know, obviously, for the past year and a half, almost right now, coming up to you and a half right, because it actually started in September of twenty eighteen, roughly around that time, I think, twenty nine. Any, yeah, son test. Yeah, start to get pushing around then. Yeah, around then, the the virus that has plagued the whole planet, the old eighteen plus one. As any that's one man they...

...should just copy right, that Shit Deino makes sense, right, I survived iteen plus one. Yeah, the old old coronavirus. Right. So they has been so much that has been surrounding it. Despite the fact that people were dying, despite the fact that people is suffering, that didn't stop people from of course, spreading misinformations, you know, coming up with their own version of their truth, and the coming up with insane scenario, some that were just absolutely bizarre and some that we're actually pretty close to being reality. And one could say, you know what, there's some truth in that. So there's so much that happened in that last year. I mean slow so many countries are still suffering. So I mean it's not quite over yet, but you know, in Australia, I believe. I believe whether it's from I believe it's probably have something to do with the fact that we are so far out as well, you know, not as interconnected to other countries. That's probably has something to do with that. But nevertheless we've been very lucky here in Australia. So, you know, it feels like things are starting to become normal almost, you know, in Australia. So yeah, touch wood it stays like that. But let's talk about yeah, that we did. We do just have a single case in Brisbane. That's caused a little bit of media uproar, add in a little bit of people panicking by single case. So they go commedia uproar, right. So yeah, but so let's just start with media, right. So it's a great place to some media uproar, and that's exactly what the whole time it has been, the media uproar. Right. So I remember discussing, you know, just talking about what the virus to people and saying, Hey, what's some mere doing? And you know, how things are going, and every time you'd see the news, you know, six new six new cases, the worse Melbourne as everything, you know, like all these headlines that were just rubbish completely, to be honest. Right, you know, obviously there was a lot of suffering. That's not, no one can deny that. However, a lot of that was just, you know, some made up shit that, you know, media just thought it was funny to just put up there because get their ratings up, you know, because that was prime feeding time for the scavenges, if you will. You Know Me, and it's funny to good way to put it. Yeah, it was prime eating time for them. Right, while everyone is down, it's like this. That's what scavengeres do, right, and in saying that, I don't also want to discredit media completely. Right. So speak of the mass media previously, because they have a job, and their job is to bring, you know, news to the general public and sometimes they did that exceptionally well. You know, they had those lives going on facebook. So it was nice to be able to talk, you know, practically, you know, log on to your facebook and see your premiere of state, you know, speaking and giving the bad news, you know. So all those things. So some of that they did exceptionally well, but it's the what it surrounded it, you know, the whole idea of them, the putting their opinion in it right, and of course I understand journalism can not be completely objective, but it wasn't. It was nothing to do with objection or being objective of subjective. It was practically they were just, you know, fear Mungling is is that we was the word fare mungling. You know, where they just yae mongering. That's all fare mongering. Yet so they use the right taglines, the right words to just making sure. You know, people were on edge and they were instantly logging in and they were getting those sweet sweet clicks, click to you know, ctis the click through rates, and you know, you know, plenty of reach and you know you could do if you jump on one of those search media tools, you could probably find a their reach were above, you know, through the roof at the time because, you know, so all that advertisement money was sweet, sweet and some people did it really well as well. Some media companies there. They said anything, you know, covid night in related news won't be charge. Obviously you know. So that was the very few of them we did. A majority of them were, you know, that was the prime time to make money, despite the fact that, you know, I do appreciate what Google and facebook did and Google said anyone who uploads of video regarding coronavirus on Youtube won't be monetized. So obviously you know, and you see post now as well, even if it's a brief mention of the virus, and actually the way they allegorism is set up. There's definitely been times where this post didn't have anything to do with with with covid in particular. That might have just been about the way the world is currently at the moment, and you would get little information bar down below saying for for covid information, follow this government website. That's really interesting. How that was deployed. Probably took a few months, but that became now that's everywhere right. Well, that, yeah, that's right. The whole thing about fake news and whatnot. Interestingly enough, interestingly enough, I actually find this quite interesting, that the fact that and someone else was talking about it as well, like who you know, a lot of doctors...

...were getting like we're coming up with. I don't know if it's true. Thought what they were saying was drue or not right, but I'm aware that a lot of doctors were coming up with like you know, saying hey, you can you can treat the virus with this and you can treat the virus with that, and very quickly their videos and their post were getting taken downe. And they were medical doctors as well as right. So, yeah, people working on the frontline even. Yeah. So what was interesting was that. Okay, like how are you? Wait, who is deciding that this doctor is right? Has the right answer? The other doctor doesn't, you know mean. So that was interesting as well. So that's a little bit of you know, not necessarily hit at Google facebook. So I'm just just like that. It's under right, and just quickly. Sorry to subject to you. I'm getting like a little tiny bit of feedback from your microphone. I'm pretty sure my headphone is good. Maybe just do like a little adjustment at the back just in case. I think it's a little out. But as long as you're not hearing nothing, I might just been my headphones that are crackling through and I didn't want that to go through to people listening. But yeah, keep going, keep going, for sure. And there was like it wasn't always the case, but I did kind of feel as though if you were questioning the what Pete, what the authorities were doing, or at least providing an alternative, that's when the scrutiny was and I guess this links into quote unquote fake news and misinformation, but they were the people that were questioning, you know, other modalities that might actually be effective. That's when they were really getting pressured to either be quiet or to attract statement or, like you're seeing, even people being demonetized as well. Yeah, absolutely, and that was one of the things that I'm kind of wondering right. It's like it was. It was interesting to see that, you know, there was a lot of pressure and I presume a lot of pressure was and I'm trying to figure out where that was starting. We was that we was like the ground zero of that kind of the mentality, right, because I know that people, most people, won't just come up weren't just coming up with it because, you know, dare I say, people aren't that smart. Right. So I'm trying to figure out where that mentality was, you know, sparking from. You know, I mean that that idea of like just trying to, you know, just you know dimmer down the people who were, you know, has had anything, anything to say against the virus, right, or like, you know, just think, you know, offer a different school of thought, if you will. Write. So, yeah, that I thought. That's it gave yeah, it gave a little bit of a and, to build off your point, he had gave a little bit of ammunition, I feel, to the people who were of the mindset that this was all, you know, something that was structured in order to implement different and things in society. And it was. It was really weird because, on the one hand it was like a little bit of critical could thinking, and I feel like this is a key component that we saw some people lack and some people had and some people didn't have some people did have, was the ability to critically think situations and not just have your predices come in and assume that all things are one way or the other. But it was it gave, you know, it gave fuel to the thought that maybe, you know, maybe there's like more is going on and or at least at the bare minimum, the powers that be or people with influence are taking advantage of this current situation we live in, you know, using this as an opportunity to maybe quite voices they really wanted to and using covid as a vehicle to justify it. And I think that certainly happened in a lot of cases, for sure, and and that was the interesting thing. And like, yeah, so that I thought it was interesting. So and there was a there was definitely a kind of a vibe about if you weren't pro lockdown, if you weren't pro masks, and I want to be very clear that, personally speaking, right, I think the locked on's helped. Right. WAS THERE ALTERNATIVE? Probably, who knows? Right, you know clearly our governments didn't if there wasn't alternative, right, or which is no one knew about it. Right. So I do think the lockdown worked right. And what, like I said before, it was there an alternative? I guess we'll never find out, or at least I wouldn't know right it. Yeah, you hope if something happened again or if we got to a stage where we needed to take similar action, they would be more calculated with the way they went about it. You know, unprecedented is the word of the the word of the season, if you will, because it was and a lot of people are trying to figure out the way it was going to be. An early numbers, early figures, looked at this thing was going to be. You know, though, that are still very bad, which is quite scary. They thought it was going to be a lot worse than what it actually end up being particularly for the wider range of society and not just...

...smaller demographics that had, you know, pre existing metalical conditions and were really unhealthy. Certainly there are cases of people that have fit and health in doing well and that that suffered really badly with it. But I think they as they as the research and as evidence came out that it was a particular part of the population that was affected by this, their ability or their sorry, their methods of social lockdowns. So that sort of thing. These didn't adjuster, was just very cookid cutter. This is what we decided to do. We're going to stick with it now, and maybe that was a little bit disappointing, but also, you know, it's it. I guess it is one of those things that, if you know, if you're the first person to come back and open it all up again and shit hit, some fan will, then you're liable to it. So that's kind of where society is at a little bit anyway. Right. Yeah, absolutely, and just on that right. So know that that's absolutely true. What you said there right. But what's also interesting, is right, is the fact that, let's say, if there was another way right, and you know, you were you were a person who you know, perhaps or scientists or like a mathematician or whatever, right, because there's some smart people out there, right, who think of these things. And you know, obviously I'm not talking about your neighborhood Internet roll, right, I'm talking about actual, actual smart people who know what they're talking about. Right, offered that opinion, I felt like, and I still feel like, you know, they would have been very quickly shut down, right. yeahhaps perhaps that is the right thing to do, because you know, from powers to be the government, know that if they needs to be a certain level of control and do, action needs to be taken with this. Right or wrong. Perhaps that's the case and they don't want anyone to get confused. Maybe that's that is that's the case, but it just feels like it was very one sided, like, you know, emotal technique. It was almost that. Very much felt like that. You know, that immortal technique level of what he talks about like that. You know the what the government power, I mean. You know, if you want to look at it, Victoria is a great example, like, I mean, it really is. Yeah, I still think genuine is a great leader, right. I think he's good at what he does, and you know bore bustard is actually injured at the moment. Shout out to him. You know, and I think you know he to be to be someone who stood there every single day where the delivered the bad news of good news, right, whether it was him or not, right, but he took the blunt off it. Like you know, he's he was the one who everyone was talking if something it was a you know, if you was the one telling you that there's numbers of govery nineteen, people thought it was his fault. You know, yeah, that's right, he was a I magine I want to see some before and after photos of all these politicians, you know, pretty and post covid within tell months, like you've seen. You probably seen the photos of Barack Obama in two and eight and twenty four and two thousand and fifteen, as he was coming to the end of his second term, like it's look like he'd been through thirty years worth of experiences. Like I reckon that's going to be some similar situations. You know, you love them or hate him. They you know, they had to take questions and obviously they had to do work and they had to sit in meetings and they had to plan and execute and make decisions on these things and added such a high level of stress that not many people have felt since, you know, wartime. Really, even though this is not not comparative to the war, it is within the same realm or ethos, you know, ethos is my word of the day, I think. So I'm going to go with that. You know that it is war level stress, even though it isn't, because its not fair to the people that were around during the wall time. This is as close as a complete society that we've ever been to that sort of thing, you know, particularly in the Western world, for sure, spood first all. Problem is for sure, for sure, and I mean let's talk about that for a second. I think this was probably the first time in an in a minute. Well, I'm not. When I say I mean it, I mean a lot longer than that, where the Western civilization, in fact the civilization as a whole, was brought down to their knees right, because previously there was always like someone who was had their shit together right. So this was the first time right there, everyone was brought down to the knees. And while I'm talking about bringing governments down to their knees, right. I just wanted this one more thing that I want to say right, which I thought was pretty interesting. You know, this is one thing that whole Korey dunting thing has done for me is I've lost I have less faith in the government, if that makes sense right. Our hours, government structure, the reason being is right. First, first problem was government kept on changing their mind about something as serious as covid nineteen.

Right about it's not that Secary. It's pretty scary. It's really scary now. It's not that bad now, mind. All good. Our hospitals are full. What we're trying to do is flatten the curve. You know what curve? What happened to that? Right, yeah, the two week shuffle at the start. I. Yeah, two weeks off shuffle, you know, and then then change their mind again. Or this is just two weeks. We'll be living with this for ten years. I'll be gone for it, like you know. You. It makes me wonder, right, because whenever we do things in office right and like, for example, working at a company right, we're so like pushed to go through our due diligence and do all those things, making sure we don't get things wrong right, because you know, who's WHO's. This's because the government is there always looking down on this, like, you know companies, saying that you know, make sure you get your shit right, because if you don't, you know you'll get you'll be in troubled by all the government right, so to speak. So all those things that happen, especially just running a business right, and then a whole government feels to realize and do their checks and measures. I find that brilliant. Sister. Yeah, yeah, misreporting of numbers, like overestimations, under estimations, obviously a massive media beat up. In the US had similar, much more severe, but they had their and Cuomo, who was the even the mayor or the governor of New York, I think it might be the mayor, and he, you know, he sent a lot of elderly people who are at that really high risk groupie symptoms, straight to nursing homes and was basically like like, you needs, you people need to get in there and like and that's the safest place for you people to be. And it turned out like that actually brought along thousands of deaths and now he's facing political discourse, I'll re re recourse, because of that and that's really interesting kind of the Australian example of that in some sense was the i. The first one was the big cruise where people were brought they was a big cruise that was sent out on the Western seaboard. People were brought back and then they were not meant to come off until they were clear and tested, and everyone just came off and apparently that was a bit of a spreading thing. But the big one was the hotel quarantine, whole thing that's gone on. That was that was big part of kind of the case Uprising Victoria. So to see the mismanager of that and almost the blame, like the blame not being taken anywhere and and I guess my whole point of that little spill there was in terms of dialog, how quickly the dialog shifted. Like early on it was the two weeks and then it was like we actually don't know and they didn't know. But there wasn't, I feel like there wasn't enough dialog to keep people directly informed with what's really going on. Like people were being spoken to but not really being included, and that was kind of a lot of people's concerned and myself as well was like, you know, how people's opinions and their thoughts in a democratic society of being shifted so quickly and so easily. That was, I guess, one thing that was taken out of this situation. But we all realize that we have far less influence on our society then we realize. And obviously we have the right to vote and we have the opportunity to vote, and that's really good, but that's once every four years. Like in between we've got a couple lot of shit and we had to cop a lot of Shit, you know, hundred percent, hundred percent, and that's exactly right, and it almost kind of felt, and correct me if you agree with the correct me, if it was just me, did it kind of feel like it was like parents telling their naughty kids off throughout the whole perit with the government? Are Most definitely and they have to be harsh, like you have to use strategies and there's people who write speeches for these people and they and they use, you know, experts in in the field of I don't know, probably not persuasion. Well, people that don't link. Yeah, programming. Okay, please explain in a second. They use people who know how to in crisis managers in cases like these, like how do we get a message across most efficiently, like what are the strategies? What's the language? As I readjust my chair, what's the language we have to use? And the strategy certainly was and still is, like putting, you know, putting society out of place. It's like, yeah, you guys are naughty guys, like listen, we're telling you what to do. You've got to listen. The reason why it's not working is because you're not listening. Well, the truth of the matter is we live in a society where they're we you know, we're liable and we have that we should be taking care of each other, and I feel like most people did, but we also have the right to to keep a certain amount of our freedoms, and once people feel their freedoms are being taken away, for example beaches being closed or people not having to have an excuse...

...to leave the home, that's why people start getting worried, and there wasn't a lot of dialog in that regard. It was just like, you have to listen to us, because this is how we're going to keep everyone safe. What turned out that this damn thing ran its course. Because it was so contagious and he just put a whole bunch of people through trauma that the public health system is going to have to pay for for a long time in terms of mental health and suicide rates and, you know, frigging the bloody economy, broke people's jobs, people's livelihoods, businesses, that sort of thing. So yeah, I feel like as a society, there is a lot we need to learn and leadership need to take responsibility for the the amount of shit that went wrong, and that's the easiest way for me to articulate it, is the amount of shit that went wrong. I don't know, I don't know if that's kind of what you were getting to. I feel like we were on the definitely along the same lines there, and most people I speak to feel a certain very much agree with that. Yeah, yeah, hundred percent, I agree. I think my be good concern that I've personally felt was the government is merely spooks, spokesmen of the public right. That's what they really are, so they should be. Yeah, so, but that's why I was just trying to fix on mark. There's the government. The government is really body that's put together by the people to act on their be best interest and sometimes, not often. Sometimes we, as the public particular, particular, you know, member of the public, may make few mistakes, and we've agreed as as a group said that, you know, that body that we put into place may punishers for, you know, making certain mistakes where things like committing murder or, you know, going through speed cameras and all those things. Right where, however, it's starting to feel more and more like the government has, government has got us by the throat, like in a sense where, you know, we answer to the public versus the other way around. You know, at least, at least, that's what I've been feeling like. You know, because you look at and I don't want to make this about money, but right you think about the fact that how much money we paint, taxes, tolls and just in general government fees, right, so that all money is meant to be going to developing, meant to be going back to, you know, the public benefits. Right, however, I feel it's time to feel like who's deciding that benefit? And, you know, it's just starting to feel like those benefits, like what's best for public. It's almost like, well, the public doesn't know what's best for them. So we're just going to make that decision and that's what's going to be. That's what it's going to be. So you know whether it's be building new roads and all those things. Right, some the you knows of, for example, someone, someone from the University of Canberra Nationally. But yeah, some really smart and away. She was a really smart person. I was listening to her talk on this podcast, podcast. Right, that's rap. My name is my that's a gift in itself. I'll say that. That's a gifted itself. Right, that's my fallback. She was a really smart person, just so take her words for it. Right. She was talking about how there has been a pressure on the government from from, you know, this community of academics right, saying that we need to we need to, you know, disaster prove our infrastructure right, so to speak. Our cities are way to dance right, so the whole cities end up turning into a bathtub when rain comes down. Right, that's what happens. Same thing with our rule areas and our properties a way too close to the land, and particularly those foothill areas where the water seems to go right. So, you know, those areas need to be you know, need to have the support so they can survive disasters, right, particularly because why, the conditions are changing, the more different kind of rain and all that stuff, right, you know, they send to be seen. Seemingly, you know, all these things are happening right. So, and the end the fact that we can do it as well. So, historically speaking, perhaps we couldn't predict these things and we didn't know the mathematics behind it. Right now that we can, the government had the pressure to go, Hey, let's you know, the from those community of a academics. You should. You know, you should. You know, disaster prove your infrastructure store. Building a city without a park, you know, so without the wetlands, is just basic. You know, architect right on one right, you know, development of the city or the Metro Development, right, you think about that fact. That's basic, basic matts. If you're going to build the whole city, you need to build a park, because where else is the water going to go? Where is it going to...

...go if you know, if this concrete everywhere? Right, but from what she was saying, that because it's not beneficial to the government, or the current government, for example. You know, you've got the liberal, the Liberal Party in right now. Right, they don't think it's beneficial to them to do invest in that because that's not going to do anything for them. But all they're going to look like is a is the government who cause the deficit in their budget. Right. So, yeah, they don't. They don't want to invest money in something like that because that just seems goes under under, no, under our noses, and we don't think about it, don't average. We only start thinking about it when something like these floods happened last week, right. So, that's right. That's right. It's starting to seem like is the government really thinking about our best benefit, or are they just thinking about what's best for them? Are they going to come back in the park, come back next year or the follow you know, the following time? And you know it's maybe sign to become more of a business than anything else, you know, totally, instead of a non for profit, instead of a public entity that runs, you know, is self sufficient in a way, like it relies. I've taxes it. It needs to show that it is strong and economics and it can sustain itself and it's not just constantly spending money I can't get back, but it yeah, it does feel as though it's like, how can we make plays that when it's time to campaign and throat shove advertypem down people's throats? How can we say that we helped for the next time to get reelected? Let me quickly shift off and come back. So the shift off is it's liberal that's in charge right now. I think you might have said Labor I bespoke. That doesn't really matter. Well, because we so it was liberal Oldsco most liberal boy liberty. That doesn't really matter. And then, as well, the so the roads. The reason why the roads are so bad, like, if you know, I'm sure in your area, is the same up here. They're shocking because it's not enough places for the water to go. It goes underneath the the roads and underneath the concrete and the the water below the roads is so bad, like there's so much water and moisture there that the it starts to shake the foundations what the roads are built on, and that's why they're just crack so easily. If you get one truck roll on it like it's just splitting it up. And how many reads, how much resources, is going to take to fix these damn roads now that are even worse because it's just like everywhere you drive now it's like, oh, it's like you play Mr Pothole, Mr Friggin. You knows Mr Friggin ditch in the road, six foot ditch that people can fall into. That's interesting, but I was that was a little side shift anyway and something to look for the future. The yeah, the concern for it all, or is is really that final point that we spoke about is like what? What is the true meaning of politics now? What is it? Why has it shifted in our society, in Australia certainly, and in the Greater Western world that we closely adhere to? Why is it shifting now outside of the public sphere and why is it moving towards like privatization and political greed and that sort of thing? And public interest groups are like have been forced to come to the forefront of that as well, and I think in the society, particularly over the last twelve months, we live in, we're forced to. It's been forced to the front, has been shaken to the front that we there are a lot of things in that realm of thinking that we know about we have to be concerned about when we re elect our politicians now and we look at how societies and governments run this, societies like it is just it is paradigm shifting. It is huge. Man Like drumber, how we spoke on the social dilemma. The the Great Netflix documentary about the influence of social media on society, or this is almost like a subchapter of the social dilemma, because it's shaken the framework that people exist in. It's pulled back the curtain on a lot of ways that the world is run. And now we've got a re we've got a post covid because that's what it is, pre and post covid world. We've got to realign ourselves and we've got to get back on track. But now we know so many things about if hits the fan, we know what's going to happen again and it's very, very interesting. Like it's almost it's not scary, because fuck being scared, but it's a little bit concerning. That's a way to put it right, and so I think you've put it by one it there and hopefully I sort of was able to provide my two cents there. It made a lot of sense from what you were saying as well. You did really well, so we bet say something. I was just going to say no, that was a very well put together that pretty much summed up everything in Nice words. I think there was a nice word you said in there as well. So I forgot what the word was, but that was a nice worded the hares through a few year the social infrastructure and order was some some trying to make like an artiste again brow this podcast, we're just pouring out the jug mate. Were letting it off. So and like, I guess the interesting thought I had to and we can maybe touch on the we can can touch on the conspiracy side of things, like it was, you know, the way, the way I started out this time last year on my thoughts of what was actually happening and how it's got to go down. It's crazy how different I've shifted and how much my perspective is changed. Like we look at a couple of things that were people talking about and we're concerned about, like force vaccinations. That was the big thing really early. People knew there was going to be a virus and they knew that,...

...you know, there was going to be a vaccine for and it's like, well, they're going to use this thing. The crazy of the crazies are like they're going to put microt chips in its vaccine and it's going to track people. It's like, Hello, we've been tracking you forever, but it's going to track people and you know you're going to. It's going to have a recording things so we can hear all you're doing and that sort of thing. Well, first, first of all, the vaccination to not force. And I'll tell you something really interesting I learned the other day in Australia, obviously specifically, I fought out of all places. If anyone was going to have to take the vaccines, it was going to be people that work on the front line, right, so people that work in hospitals. Bro There's no there's no force vaccines in for them. Like we've got a person who trains the gym now's name Shan is, like, we were completely given the choice to take this fact the nation. He's done it because he felt it was the right thing to do. He knows he's dealing constantly with at risk people and he's like, you know, I'd feel better if I did it. So I got the vaccination. No one at all was being forced to take it. Like not even in the slightest bit. So that's a big narrative that people on the other end were talking about, like they're going to make us do this. Not at all, but no one's getting the option to do that so far. Anyway. We'll see how that changes out. I thought that was interesting and that was a little bit of an eye opener for me. Another talking point was like a cashless society. People talking all this is going to be their perfect avenue. They're excuse to get rid of cash because this is a way we spread the disease and you know, we want to centralize money and put it all into the banking wall to to hasn't even been a scent of that. Literally, there's an't even been ascent of that narrative. You know what I mean? Like society in itself is shifting towards that, but it's just it's not happening because it's being you know, it's being pulled out from under us and we have to give our money back a hundred percent. Oh, there were so many things I wanted to say. All right, just this one quick note before I get back to the couple already. Totally right. So first thing was what you mentioned about Gash of society. Right. So the shift, its Gash of society was it was just natural progression of Capitalistic Society to go towards cash. But it's because, you know, it's just in it's just it's just a better process, right, it is safer, it's faster, you know, it's just a lot of thank you, of course, affective. Right. Simpler means banks become cheaper, everything becomes cheaper, right. So it's just more it's just more logical and it seems normal to go towards that. And on top of that, we're talking about centralization of the cash flow, right, which, on top of that, that is probably unlikely because on top of that, because it is digital, you got crypto and you got the alternative currency coming through as well. So, you know, you go those kind of currencies coming through. So that means a centralization, whether be our cassel's cash less society or not. Is Centralization of the cache of the currency entity is probably unlikely. I said probably because you never know, right. So that's one point and quickly, going quick I just want to quickly touch on what we talked what you said before, because I thought about this. Right. I said we got the problem with picking the next party or the next who elected is right, is what will in Australia particularly, well, always had a two party system, right, which is interesting enough, because the fact that government actually has the anti monopoly laws about how when a particular organization can't have all the you know so, but the control the government is itself is essentially basically, I'm not not, it is. Yeah, it's only two parties that just back and forward. They just play, you know, play ball, so to speak. And and I wonder when you say, when you say that the governments, why are they becoming like that, when you touched on that set of thought, the fact that is the government, other government's becoming like that, or have they always been like that and now we're just now, the curtains are just being lifted, is the real question because, yeah, I think that's the thing, because more and more coming out, particularly and I don't and I don't know, I don't even our touch on this, but it's well, I don't want to talk about this at all, but I just quickly on a touch on and how much corrupt and horrible stuff that's coming out of the you know, the the Parliament House, about all sexual assaults and all those things, right. So, yeah, that's huge. Right. So one has to wonder that there is our government, the Western society, because we pride ourself on our liberal governments and understanding governments. And you know, the question is, are we, you know we're particularly in the West. Are we just we were just lucky because we had a head start and our governments are equally as corrupt as any other west any other development countries that we called socalled that, hey, their third word, or a development country, developing countries, because of their corrupt government, a sort to speak, you know. So it's a real question because I'm aware that Pakistan had a corrupt government, right, but I didn't know that Australia had a crup government. But it's starting to seem like Australia does had a crup government. You always had a crup government, they say. Thing with America. Yeah, yeah, most definitely, and they just did a better job at hard it and or hiding it, sure, or they had...

...a better way of applying systems and processes that it allowed for people to believe and it's still gave people the opportunity and the right to have their own you know, to use their rights to be able to contribute to what society is and then it turns out like it is so far from what we'd thought it was going to be, and it really is again like paradigm shifting. I don't know if that was a word you think of. Like it really changes, it's completely changes the landscape of how we move forward posts the world we live in now. So it's yeah, it is just like how you know, it's constantly evolving to and I think that's the hard thing about knowing exactly what's going on. Is What we're finding out more and more and as these things delve deeper and deeper, we're going to we're going to get further into it as as it goes along, because we're going to have more information and we're going to have greater perspectives. But I think the more you're thinking about these sort of things, the better, the better. It's sort it is for all of us, and I guess this is kind of my final talking point that I had on it and it was something that I feel is really interesting. If there's anything that you want to put a bowl on as well or just continue to go like, I'm happy to keep. Guys totally fine with me. But for me I had like a really interesting thought. It was like, well, it's been kind of building up over the last couple of weeks, but this week it really dawned on me like how much my mentality about certain things has changed, and the easiest way for me to articulate it is just through the conspiracy theory, right. So before this thing happened, so basically before since covid hit Australian shores, you know, around this time, March of last year, I was really like I was really firmly in the corner of like these things are all preplanns and this is this is all part of a greater plan of things that have been dealt over from a long time and people have been working towards whatever is going to be working towards for a long time. And like there's some a little bit of Biblical history in that regards from over two years ago, twozero years ago, like very different realm of thinking. But even now, man like I would consider myself if I was like a ten on the conspiracy theory scale, and I certainly was like I know tens, like I'm not at ten. If I wasn't if I was a seven a half. I'm like a three now, Bro and it's not that it's not there anymore. It's it's it is just I'm seeing a bigger picture and I don't know like, and maybe I'm still undecided on exactly where I sit in terms of the greater landscape of anything. Maybe you know one thing that the the guys can say they got a victory with the the seat. What would we call them? That? The set's, the conspiracy theories, the seet's is, you know, like information gathering, like every week go now you've got a sign and you've got to give you information over. So, like how much is that a play on things or how much is that is just something that was needed to be done? I don't really know. But maybe this is a question back to you and from my guest twelve months ago. was there. Is there one thing can are you able to it's a difficult question because it's so open ended and it could be everything or a good would be nothing. But has what would you say has been your mindset shift from where you were tall months ago to now, after being through the experience we have over the past year in regards to conspiracies particularly, no. So just in regards to like a mindset like so for me it's even though it was like a conspiracy outlet that I I was thinking through, like I assume that's the way the world worked, and now I'm so like, I'm so less inclined to believe that it's a greater plan by this small group of people that are designing it that I believe it's. There is corruption all around us. But I also feel as though the reason either, like I think a lot of these things are just happening because people don't know what the fact they're doing as well. So that was a big shift to me, because I I am now in a space of like I don't even really care anymore, and it's like it doesn't consume me the way it used to. You know what, you just gave my answer literally there. So I don't think these people that we talk about, our small group of people who are, you know, sitting there, that the high mighty and the powerful and pulling strings. I don't think that's true at all, and I don't know if I ever did either, but Bott of me was every so often was amused by the fact that that is a possibility. Right. So it was. It was a nice idea. Blame, blame on a particular group of people that me or may not exist. So it was nice, you know, as Nice novelty, to think about that. But I think now I know that, govern man, let's just put it this way. Government couldn't figure out with, couldn't keep couldn't do a simple task of having people arrived from overseas and keeping him in a fucking hotel. Yeah, let Laura come up with yea, let alone come up with grand plans to take over the world, right, you know, to cover us, I will put right. Australia couldn't develop an APP that wasn't wasn't hacked by some kid in India. Australia could, you know, they couldn't come up with an APP that would actually work, right, you know. So they couldn't...

...come up with websites. They couldn't develop a website that actually stayed stable for a period of three months. If so this, yeah, right. So, yeah, I don't like. I don't think our government has the means, not the mental capacity, particularly not the talent, to be able to pull something like that, to Massa Mon this sort of thing. Yeah, I not send a great I don't don't think. I don't think they's. They don't even have there's no way they have the mental capacity, know the talent required to do that. I so toightly. I think it'd be full, if be foll's Arron, to think that you know that they we that they can achieve something like that and there's a help show. They're playing these cards just to track US and stuff. And, to be completely honest, even if they are tracking us, I can guarantee you they don't know what to do with that data because such are yeah, one of that. What's the plane they're going to fall? One might. Yeah, what are they going to do to the data? Right, so I could, because if they did right, if they knew, the greatest example of that is right, they would use that data to to, you know, improve it, to to do something right. And, as we've known, they've done nothing right. And most of the most of the for example, most like remember could the covid nineteen APP that Australia release? Right? That was an absolute failure. Right. So, you know, the APP was crashed over and over again. It was, you know, piece of Shit. And then you look at you know, look as other day goes back to the whole thing right. Government spends money on particular infrastructure that they think is going to work to do something, but because it's such a biocrap, biocratic, bureaucratic, breocratic system, nothing ever actually works properly. Anyway, I'm guarantee you that data that's being collected by new supples APP that you have to check in, I can almost guarantee you that sitting on a particular servere being absolutely wasted. That data could be used for so much, even probably good, but I can guarantee you it's just sitting there doing nothing because just the way things work right to to probably, for example, to develop a new button in an APP, they have to go get checks from their supervise and then they supervise and then they supervise and then they managed, you know, so anything. I don't think anything I've ever actually happens from that and I don't think they capable of doing such things totally totally and I guess outside of the scope of conspiracy theory and more towards your personal development or your own perspectives on life or whatever else is, can you pinpoint anything from talk months ago to now, like what's sort of your life looking like? Now and have you noticed? Is there one thing that you can speak to or just a concept or something that has really changed the most about you that you can that you believe is the most different to who you were from, you know, a year ago to now? Yeah, that's a very good question actually. So it's a hard one. Yeah, it's a good it's a very good question. I would definitely say I feel I feel a bit more Leamur, if that makes sense right. I feel like I'm not as exciting as I used to be. So obviously you know that what you're talking about earlier been put it would be nice to see what those premiers and those leaders look like before and after. I think goby night didn't had that same effect on practically all of us. So I definitely feel a little bit, totally, totally little. Yeah, a little bit, you know, slour and not as exciting or be excited about things as I used to be. A bit poor like it really did take out the optimism out of a lot of us, whether it didn't necessarily completely kill it, but it might take couple of years to develop that back, but it definitely did take a little bit of tall and me in sense of optimism and excitement for things. It's and like those kind of things. I think it's probably probably a huge impact. And now again you could go into conspiracy and say, was that what they planned was a long plane? That's right, look great, a picture. Yeah, right, which is so I definitely think that was the effect. I think I also learned a lot as well to be more thankful and grateful for what we have. I think those, yeah, a couple of minchs suspend that. I was thinking. Yes, well, yeah, definitely. I think the positive spin is the fact that I definitely feel a lot more connected to the smaller things in life, appreciating being able to do a live podcast, so to speak, than to think they could just, you know, we necessarily need to hang out or like, you know, things, little things that are worth being thankful for that we're not normally thankful for. So that and so I think those are the two things and I feel like they'll probably be a normalizing effect in a year or two, where we probably won't be as grateful as we are for things, but we'll still keep a little ted of that and will start be becoming optimistic and excited about everything again, but just not...

...as excited and optimistic as we used to be. I think our lifetime, for rest of our life time, I think we'll probably have the little, little tiny fragments of covid nineteen, not not necessarily the virus, but the in air clad chains. Yeah, proteins, but but the virus that was that would mentally plague us for rest of our life would probably remain. I think. Yeah, some rasidy right and the I think a good way to look at it from that point of you and that example is like a rubber band effect. Like you spread the rubber band out, as the more you pull the rubber band apart, the further it goes, the more the threads tear, the more the further the friends apart come. And then it comes back eventually, as soon as you release the pressure off the rubber band, it slowly starts to come back. The rubber band might not ever look the same again it's gone through those experiences, but it does start to get back to how it looked before with different like life experiences and different little, you know, different different hurdles and everything else that's been through, and from there we can progress through like this new scope and that's ultimately what experience is for. Me and you, who are both twenty five, soon to be twenty six. My friend, I haven't told you this yet, but I'm coming down for inject dates to Sydney. So like, yeah, I'll see your for your birthday. So that's, yeah, super exciting. But yeah, so that's you know, that's that's part of what our life isn't something, certainly something that you know, Abby's going to be a part of your future kids are going to know about. So, like, it's it's Oh, Wald A, hold on, hold on, don't know. It ISS. Okay, that's the name of this, this podcast, right. So, yeah, that's covid's been an affair. IFEW I've had names, but I feel like it's it needs to be covid. Nineteen semicolons. What it EAS it has sound. Maybe that's it sounds brilliant. Very good. Loosing out of yourself, mate. Anything else? I need to get off that hairy chest to yours, but I just wanted, wanted you do going to answer that question as well that you kind of give me, because I think that was a yeah, nice question. So what do you I mean? You kind of answered it, but I just wanted you to clearly like and you know, begin the answer again so we know your answer as well. How do you think it shifted your view import sense of you know, I think you answer the conspiracy toy one, but in a sense of reedy. How do you how are you different or how do you think different as a person? Before, I think you can conspiracy anger. It's still difficult for me to articulate because I still feel like I'm involving on that point of view, but it certainly feels less consuming and I'm far less tied to my thoughts and ideologies. And I've also seen the people that are really into that world, like how much this is actually gripped them, as much as they've been trying to be on the fight and trying to counter it, like how much I've seen it take over their personalities and their thoughts, and I think that's what's actually caused me to shift away from it and try to realign, reassess that sort of thing. So not being over consumed in that regards been great. But from a personal point of view it's linked pretty close to the to your one as well, and that's obviously in great timing with becoming a dad now and during this process and having a baby who's over eight months old now, which is so crazy to think about, and it's just realigning, reshifting kind of my perspectives on the things that I need to appreciate, the things and I need to be thankful for, and that's a great way to live life, because you can constantly go back to the world and you can keep refueling yourself and those sort of things on your tough days, when it are things don't look like the pasture isn't as green as you'd like them to be, through certain seasons of your life, like you can always be really appreciative every little thing that we have and things that we're so blessed to have, like friendship, like family, and you know, I mean, let's not forget our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, as well. Like this has been a massive part of you know, this has been a huge six months for me in terms of my spiritual growth as well. So I think that's definitely the biggest part, and just becoming a better man and a better person and hopefully being able to help more people, because that's ultimately, you know, as we've said before, that's the thing that that we are put on this earth to do so I feel more better equipped to help people through their difficult times, through this difficult time. So fuck it. That's pretty good, man. That's brilliant. That's that's a positive not in a half. I mean I can't even see it is what it is because it's there's another level to it. But now now it's that. I love it. That was a nice, lovely breathing. You Do, brother. All right, that's been you know, wrap up, I'll do wait, let me do the plug then then your rapp up right. Check it ly, Chaly. Check us out on the claver dumies podcastcom, Dot Acom. Don't know you right, so claver dummies podcastcom. You can check us on. Check us out on spotify, the clamor time he's podcast or Google podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. We are also on apple podcasts as well. Find us on instagram, the clamor dummies podcast ors on facebook, the clamor time is podcasts. And that's pretty much everything. On that note, Lackland, I will let you take away. It's been a then podcast. That's all we need to know. You're another great one. Thank you so much to this has...

...been excellent. It's always good to have our have our brain waves going in the same direction and just seeing the magical great pouring out the jug that's inside US baby. So I very much appreciate it and to everyone that's listened and has listened is continue listen. We really appreciate it. We promised to not be like the last five years of Taylors his career and start to decline. We promised that this is only up and up from here. Just joking, but absolutely. If there's anything in this conversation or anything in the past, but particularly in what you've heard tonight, that a spark, maybe a thought or a opposite opinion, or even if you agree with us, just let us know, DM one of us or shoot us a message through the clever dummies podcast. That's something we're certainly going to focus on for the rest of this year and we just would love that interaction, to know what you guys are thinking as well, because I kind of feel like we're on we're you know, we're on a good path here and where we're on two bitter and bigger things. So if you guys have any import or anything that you'd like to add, or just any sort of sparking of conversation. That's my favorite thing about podcast. is here, like kind of getting the brain waves ticking over and everything else. So, yeah, we absolutely love you, guys. We really appreciate you listening and, you know, until next time, baby, we will see you then. This is being the clever dummies podcast. I'm lucky, as always, joined by a nick. Tell you, mummy lover. Give her a kiss for me. Good night.

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