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The CDP // Ep25: The Step ft. Haylie Tran

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In this Episode of the Clever Dummies Podcast, we talk a bit about everything business, the steps we take in life, the interesting turns and twist we come across.

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All right, welcome everyone. Thank you for joining us for episode number twenty five of the clever dummies podcast. As always, I enjoyed by a Nieue. How you going today? Brother? I'm good, my man, I'm good. It's good to be here doing this podcast. As always. You know, there's been couple of heat ups het in there. Our last episode absolutely went to Shit. So technical errors, which to the Max, but nonetheless might he's ad like if you would asked anyone in the industry if anything like that happens. We shouldn't talk about it, but I feel like we need to. We spent nearly two hours on like we went balls deep on one of the one of our best ever podcast and the current platform where you know hosting on, called Zendcast, did US dirty. But Hey, water under the bridge. But my it's just like at the gym, brothers Reps. we're just doing reps, we're building up, we're getting stronger. So it is what it is. It might actually give us a good chance to do a part to her that episode. So, Hey, what can you do baby? But we seem to be. We seem to be so all good so far. About forty seconds in we are right matte so we'll see if he gat awesome, awesome. How's everything being? What's what? Yeah, I can la super good. Might everything's been great. Working, super busy at the gym, super busy at the golf course. Obviously Juggling to jobs. But you know, bigger than that is the commitment of marriage and more so the commitment of a little baby girl. Obviously, the labby just turned eleven months. So, you know, I've said this multiple times before, people are Weird for celebrating month adversities of kids, but when you have a kid you realize how frigged special it is. So you almost spare you know, you celebrate every day. But yeah, eleven months. She loves her her daddy now, which is good. And then, yes, so she nearly you're old. She is so close to walking, she's so close to talking, so more of that to come. But my life's been very busy but very good, Bro. So yeah, no complaints over here. Man, absolutely, that's awesome, wonderful to here. Well, what today we've got a guess, a friend. What about you? Like you, you've been upset with like any government authorities at the moment, or what's going on? Well, it's been good. You know I had I think that I spoke about this last episode, but I kind of we skip that, so I'll speak about that again. I went through a little bit of a, you know, self imposed downward spiral because I moved back to Sydney and I was just, you know, almost just creating my own resistance and like kind of fighting, you know, just my situation of like I hate everything. So I got out of that so, which was a lot of fun. And as soon as I got out of that, everything, everything felt awesome, like a great I was just like Oh, all, your life is pretty incredible. And Yeah, but from you know, apart from that, you know, my new job is starting to pick up. It's actually a lot of fun. You know, it's a that's actually a little fun. At first I was like I don't know if I like this, but now it's actually a lot of fun. And on top of that, you know, my companies, your media, is doing fairly well. We're getting new projects and kind of you know, when you fall into the rhythm of managing all multiple like when you fall into the rhythm or managing multiple things, it feels awesome. So, you know, it's kind of good. I mean, apart from my car getting rare and did three times in the past three months. I think everything's great and phenomenal. It's not much else. That's right, my you can't win them allway. But anyway, that's another another day, another episodes. We always say we've got a very special guest today. Might I'm going to leave the introduction for you today, but yeah, take it away. Awesome. Well, hell Hellie, hally Haley, say hello. First of all, I've known hally for from Melbourne. I would say. I probably two and a half years. I mean, obviously we haven't seen each other for two and a half years, but yeah, I think we'd known each other for two and a half years. We met on common grounds of fixing problems, something you know. Most of the time Haley created the problems that I was fixing. But that's besides the talk about that. Yeah, you know, I thought Jesus, like delagorn lit early. Wow, thank for having by all means. He'll know, pleasure to work with so you know. And then she recently started a business, got married and I saw she's doing a whole bunch of steps out once I was like, you know, well, we have to talk to talk to Halle on the podcast, because, you know, one thing we love at the clever time, his podcast is taking a whole bunch of steps at once, you know. So, hello, hello, thank smuch for having me. I appreciate the introduction. That's what it's good to have a civilized voice on the podcast, I'll tell you that much. The normalcy started right. I will peek, will peep behind the curtain, as he will, but no, absolutely pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us. You can be totally honestly. How many episodes have you listened to so far? I listen to zero, but that's okay. Yes, well, that's exact, exactly. Hopefully, you know, it's just like any great conspiracy theory. Hopefully you go down the rabbit hole after this one. So I think I will.

Yeah, see how we got the key here is this is what I always see on the podcast. We've had more guest on the podcast than actually listeners. Okay, but it's generating all listeners. Yeah, well, that's right, like a man, pull up the spotify numbers and we'll figure it out. But anyway, it is what it is, is it? That's right. Now, okay, let's give it a little bit of backstroides to listeners, and I mean even more so for me, like how did you guys meet? Where did you guys meet, and is there like a funny story to that this? I mean, I guess every day, but we were when we hung over, I guess saw each other. So we worked at the Alex Theater together back when I was working in Melbourne at the Alex Theater. Haley actually didn't work for the Alex Theater. They work for this ticking company that was contracted into the Alex Theater make a big, a mega giant. I mean, I'm probably no, shouldn't say their name because they're probably Swiss. It's sticks back. Let's go a super stars over there, aren't they? HMM. So, you know, the good thing about ticket ach is, you know, I'm sure they want they won't mind me saying these. You know, they suck. They generally do. They can't organize anything with Shit. They ticketing system is subpar and just overall they just, you know, no good at anything, honestly. You know, they were running an integrated takening system. So, wow, I'm really going at it anyway. So Hailey, word for them, and she was kind of the person like Accounts Manager for Alex Theater and you know she would come in would always be you know, they they'll always be something going on. We'd have five hundred people lining up and you know it'll be hilly at the box office trying to manage that while, while, while, you know, the theaters aren't actually working because we had the seating completely wrong. So I'm there like I'm doing the whole seats and you know, the best part was throughout the whole thing was, you know, Haley would just look at the customer and just smiles like yeah, they'd be like and she just smile at the MOS like I don't know how you do it. So I'm glad to remember that about me. That's nice. It was a very memorable thing and I always used to joke around to a lot of my friends, terrence and I was just like she's like the CEO of positivity, like we needed. That's beautiful. That's so nice. Thank you. It's we're incredible. I mean it wasn't really until you know, I'm there. Was this one time we had a massive Shn and, you know, there were people lining up and hell, he was no where to be seen. I was like wow, dude, because I was essentially like a rand manager there, so you know everything. And then when I say went manager, really what I mean is I was also running the lights, I was in boring drinks, basically doing everything. That was kind of the wine the place. Yeah, so I think we had we built a upport or, you know, common suffering. I think that's the best probably. So I think there was one time that I came, and it was probably that day that I wasn't there on time. Just had too many things on my mind and completely forgot that where I was meant to be on the on the day, and an equishes at them for you to like doing the ticketing system, and I was like, Oh wait, why, don't even need me here? But you're doing great job holding down the Pallone to these days, to this day, I was so impressed. I was like how the hell do I even know this? I'm sorry, let's shot it. At the end of the day, an equal sacrifice customer experience for if any day the week. So it is what it is. Let's about customers. That was great shit, all right. So, like we got to unpack that a little bit. So, I mean, fuck, we can be specific, because you know we are we you know, we are where you are a freelance podcast, like whereabouts. We talking in terms of logistics and like when did you guys first meet? And, like you know, there was a few, fair few experiences that it sound like was explained there. But what was maybe? What was your first memory or like, if you go back the first time that you know you think about a neck, does anything come to mind? That's tricky. I think I remember meeting terrence initially. All that's a big call to the customer experience thing. And then I don't remember, I think and nake showed up and yourself and I'm sure there was a few jokes in there, one or two, and hit it up. Yeah, it's great, of course those jokes in there. That actually, that's so funny. But a specific moment, which is quite sad. Actually, that's that's actually I kind of don't I think it was more like just a gradual I think you would have come, I would have seen you on a shift where you were covering for someone and then eventually kind of just like, you know, working there most of the time. And Yeah, that's only I'm pretty sure my memory, one of my mate one of your memories that I have is asking, Hey, did...

...you want to choke top, because I do remember and I've resaid no. Right, yeah, you said no, West decision. I should have said yes. Suggested those that chocolate. I should have yes. And time frame, what are we thinking about? Like three years ago? Two years ago? Put Ha for threak you. HMM, yes, a couple of years. So obviously you know, fast forward maybe six months from that stage, maybe a little bit further. We get to March in two thousand and twenty and of course you're in Melbourne currently at the moment we met both a Nique and I are in new so Wales. He's in Sydney, I'm in the mid North Coast. But what is sort of the last period of time? What? I don't know, fifteen months been like for you, partically in your industry as well? Sure, yeah, so it's been. I mean I think I feel like everyone has heard what it's been like in Melbourne and I think we haven't been in Melbourne. It's hard to describe it. Obviously we're just we're just slowly coming out of another lockdown now, about fifteen months later, and that's been quite tricky and exhausting and tiring and all the words that you could think of. Yeah, it's been intense, especially in the events industry. Obviously it's based on people gathering together and being together and I think they sir small space. Yeah, so it's been tricky. So I was working at ticketect during that time and my hours are quite significantly reduced, which is completely understandable. Give them the time frame and everything that was happening at the time. And then I had a short stint in real estate because I thought, you know, my hours getting cut, I'm going to need a job, I need to support myself and I was also planning a wedding at the time, so I was like, Oh, I really need to be doing something and I like to be busy. I don't like to sort of sit there and not have much to do. So it was tricky, you know, being stuck at home. We were living in a one bedroom apartment at the time. It was all kinds of horrible. Yeah, have a qualification that you got during covid or was that something you had sitting sort of in the back pocket? The old the old yes, say. Yeah, so it was sort of something that I thought, you know what, my cousin worked in real estate and I was her about it. She's still working the old cousin. That's right, like you've got something I don't. So I decided I'm going to go get my certificate in real estate. I did that, smash it out as quickly as possible and I had the time to do it. So, yeah, I did that and started searching for jobs and yeah, it was lucky enough to get one in the leasing sort of world. So, yeah, that was something definitely that I'd never sort of seen myself doing before, but was quite a cool opportunity to get during covid and, you know, with the world being well down, actually being able to go and open houses and be out and about was quite nice rather than sitting at home not doing her anything. Also, that's beautiful when when we talking, because I know for a long period of time, particularly when you're in leasing, your showing people houses, your finalizing people's rents, background check, that sort of thing. When was was to the rental market take a dive as well, like, did that pick up as people were able to like, I guess, where you involved in the virtual world of showcasing houses as well? Sure, so I started in real estate just as things were slowly starting to open up again. So we did have caps on how many people we could have coming into different houses, which is quite challenging to manage in terms of you know, x amount of people are super interested in a property, but you can only have three people walking through. So that was tricky to manage, but also created quite a demand for houses because not many people could go through. So it was slow at times but it was busy at the same time. It's a really weird thing to describe. It was a bit it's different like it. There were wasn't as much hyper around it because you've only got three people going through properties, but also that demand was quite high for them as well. But I really enjoyed it. It was like supplied demand. You're spreading the demand out if the supplies bring spread out, but so's the demand as well. So it's just like a slower pace. But that's it. That's really interesting that you still doing that now. No, so now I'm actually so I finished up in January or December, I think it was. I finished up in December and started my role in January. I'm now working at the other and am theater, which is a theater on Colin Street here in Melbourne. So back in the event space, back into what I was similar to what I was doing before, so working with clients and ticketing and events. So it's good. It's obviously has its challenges with Covid, but it's what I love to do. So yeah, that's what I was going to say. It's what you love to do. It feels more like home. Right, exactly, it does. It does. It feels like second nature, which is fantastic. Get to do it unique was doing work in the venue side of things. So my inspiration, he's our inspiration. The city. How is how are you finding working on the venue side of things completed to working outside of the venue? Sure, I am finding it really good. I'm finding it different, obviously, because you're sort of managing things from event if so, for example, when...

I was working just in ticketing or for a ticketing company, was managing a lot of different clients at once for different venues, whereas this is sort of being specialized more in the venue and understanding like the lighting and the sounding, the production side of things, which I'm quite interested in, even though I didn't think I was going to be as oh, it's really cool how that works and sort of the front of house and just seeing how things work from of any perspective. I think if you're not worked in a venue, might not understand exactly how it works, which is really cool to see. There's a lot of things that I was like, Oh, of course you've got to think about, you know, this element and that element. So that's been really fun to learn and also just, I suppose, having an expertise in understanding exactly what the venue has to offer and that sort of thing and working with clients in that way is quite fun. Like, I'm enjoying that and lots of different people with lots of different ideas for shows and that sort of thing has been really fun, I think. So, yeah, it's been good so far. It's only been about five six months, but I'm enjoying it so far. So it's beautiful. It's just like any role really. The more you can take on or at least have an understanding of people's responsibilities and how the greatest scheme of things works, the more you can excel at your own role and, I guess, potentially further facilitate growth in that industry as well. And you almost care, like just like anything, the more you put more effort you put in this something, the more you care about it as well. And, even though you're more right, still may be limited to what you're specializing in. As you GARNA and you become empathetic. Like I always had managers, stick I worked in bars after high school, night clubs, that sort of thing. I was like these managers are freaking Dicks, like I hate my manager. Then I started to understand what the hell they're going through and I'm like, Oh man, if I hadn't known that back then, I would have been a lot less of addict myself as well. So learning expense, I guess, but anyway, it is what it is. That's right. That's right. So, I mean you mentioned before that you got married. Is that true? I did, it is true. You haven't. The rumors are correct. When did you get married? The rumors are correct. I got married in March. So I hear somebody else got married in must what's the day? All is the day? All of us. It's an even number. Yeah, I got my bag on the towel, which is very good. So, yeah, good pair of time, like in a week. Where did you get married? We got married at a place called AVALONC castle and compete to or castle. Yet Castle as well going for it. Yeah, but they were actually genuinely lovely. You have to change out date one or two times. Yeah, I's definitely so. It was great. Everyone tells you it goes super quickly. It went super quickly. It was awesome. It's a lovely day, but it just goes so quick. Yeah, so's I'm experience. It was so seal the whole time, wasn't it? Like you always you're enjoying it the whole time and it's just like anything. You're enjoying it. So it does fly, but you're like me and I wish I had more time to take that in. It was the last eight in months I've been stressing my bloody hair out and losing frigging there. And what? What? How many people did you have? We had, I think fifty five people. Are Nice, Gard about fifty. It's good, nmuch, stressful, like perfect and not make it a party, but not enough that you're worrying about too many crazy back in exactly, but not worrying about the wild cards, you know. Yeah, keep them to a little about it. So good. That's so good. No, it's it was. It was great and we had did have a little bit of a panic there because we have the five day short circuit lockdown in my mind. Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, went sure of what was going to happen. We had family and friends and keep people that we needed to get here from Queensland. We weren't sure if that was going to happen, but thankfully everything went all right. So that's good, because I think that was the main thing that I thought. That's a bit selfish, but the main thing I was worried about the lock does was like but my wedding. Yeah, and a hundred percent, because we for us, we were meant to get married in April of two thousand and twenty. Okay, so it was. That's kind of three weeks before it all sort of shifted years and my wife and her mum were really ahead of it and called it before the it was forced upon us and I'll I just had the blaze. Now she'll be right. And then a few days later they made us move. So I'm like a kind of makes sense. But we found like kind of in December, January time or like Shit, we've got to replay this thing, because we did basically ninety percent of the groundwork leading up until April and then it got pulled and it was hard to kind of get going. The thing that I found that was the most stressful out of everything. I mean there was the time consuming element of putting all the little pieces together, like people on tables and those sort of things, but for me that was the most stressful part. Is like, I'm so much thinking about everyone else, like I didn't even think about myself. I was like, Oh, if I put this person in this table and I put in if I invite this person. It's weird, like it's almost like you you kind of wish in a little bit that you wish you had it again because you'd focus on the things that the most important. But in saying that, like you just you kind of want everyone to enjoy it as much as you were as well. So it's that's what makes the experience...

...of the wedding so like immersive and it just so overwhelming, right, because it's just so many variables. Other people showings, for sure. Yeah, every people at my wedding hadn't met each other as well. So I'm like, how's this going to work? Yeah, well, we had a bit the same like, yeah, a lot of people that knew each other, but then those sort of few people that didn't. It was like where do I put these people, like I love them, that they're going to get along with, like yeah, totally, yeah, I think that. I don't know. You don't want him to feel bad as like I got put on this table. If he's Nan, it's like no, trust me, my name's a average, like you want to be with my name? That's IT, exactly right. How did you go about selecting your what's the maid of honor? Is that like your best man equivalent? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Thatt a tough position. Wo Best Woman. Yeah, so I kind of played it cool in the since I didn't have like a maid of honor. I had three books, all right on the fence there. That's beautiful. That is the more. Do that honestly and genuinely and a nick. You know me, so like come on, but like I just couldn't. I was like I love these people equally. I couldn't possibly put one on a purse and genuine like being genuine. I loved all three of my girls. So my well, who ended up being technically made of honor, who did a lot more for me in terms of like putting together the hens and night and that sort of thing. She was great. She just sort of took it and did it. Her name is jess and I studied tourism back in the day with her, so that was really fun. She was my bridesmaid. And then I had a girl named Marie who's my husband's best girlfriend who lives in Queensland. So that was a bit panicky there for a bit, not knowing whether she was going to be able to get there or not and everything. And then I have my best friend from high school named Maniq, so it was good. It was it was lovely to have them there and it's all very all very surreal having a wedding and it yeah, it's funny. It's like it's happened, but it feels like it's just didn't even have I don't know, it didn't happen. And Yeah, yeah, we're very lucky. We've got Google drive now to store it all on. But did you guys get a photographer? We did, we did. Had so glad wasn't worth the money. Like it was a lot of money, but my gosh, wasn't worth it. Yes, well, that was one of my mat so I had three main things that I wanted to like spend money on. It was the venue, it was the celebrant and it was the photographer, because obviously with photos you can keep it over and that's really what I wanted to keep. Yeah, and I was talking to my mom about her wedding. She's like, you know, we got to we had to select like thirty photos to print and I'm like, oh my gosh, I have like seven hundred photos. Like sorry, mom, technology that's so good. We had. We had like so much just really cool uniqueness to ours, like for us we got so ours is on the turf. On the eleven we actually got officially married out our house. I'm so we had our celebrant come over do like it intimate, sell little presentation, I guess, with my family and a couple of friends. But so my dad was actually the unofficial announcement on the days. So he was the one on the MC and he's yeah, he did such a good job. I was so proud of my dad and it was just a perfect role for him. We knew that he was the right men for the job. So that was really cool. It was really heartfelt and I mean the Guy we end up picking for our official ceremony would have done a great job, but I had this weird thought of like I wanted. I just wanted no strangers. They're like even so, I actually got married at my own workplace as well, where I the golf court, also work out do venues, and I got married there. So I was like, like everything was like really comfortable in that regard, and that's the one thing I was worried about is like, you know, am I going in off my head here, like what happens if I get married at work? The thing it did, and it helps that I like my job, I guess. But the thing it did is it made me really comfortable. I knew where everything was, like I knew sought that out, you know, like you know, I knew every little detail. So it was really good in that guard and and also for me, like meaning they can made a promise in high school about being each other's best means, but even to this day was still best a mate. So I mean terrence was one of my brides mate, my bridesmaids. What could have been actually, with the hair that he has, like you could do whatever he wants, but it was one of my groom's men. So there you go. And then terence was our sorry, nick was my best man. So now that was that was beautiful as well. And my wife made her own dress. She actually physically made the entire thing, made my daughter's dress. Yeah, she's pretty special. So wed. Yeah, very happy with how it all went down. So that's an amazing I love that. That's so good and I love that you got married, you know, in a place that you were comfortable and she made it dress and it was like everything sounds like it was perfect. So that's right and and heck even made the comment as well. Like it was it had a laidback field to it, but the staff was still there doing a professional, good job and it just kind of kept it clean and everything like that. Didn't it bro Oh absolutely, and I think that's what you want. There's there's a there's a...

...sense of pressure that there is on weddings, particularly it's coming from someone who's getting married. So but you know, and you know I have a strong understanding of human psychology, you know it's something it becomes very much about, you know, put on a show kind of situation and you know you, whether you want it or not, that kind of yourselves you know, social breast pressure makes it so. So it was really nice. That was something, you know, it was kind of like what you want in and Charlotte wanted. So that's what made it nice. And so, you know, whether you guys were chilledren you know, so everyone saw was everyone else. You know, they made it was an internal pressure. was more internal than external, but it's still I guess it derives from the same place. This right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, so, I mean you, I thought you guys are prey chilled, like all all the way through it was just, you know, a lot of fun and, you know, a couple of times I was just like it's Charlotte gonna she gonna crack if she gotta stress up. I was like she I was like, Nope, that that is a mom as well. She's next time I'll say, yeah, it's a feel impressive, you know. And then I was just like all right, I wouldn't. I was just like is who's going to be the loose cud or the night, because there's always one. Luckily, it wasn't me, nor would turn. No, it was tern. So yeah, that's very impressive. So I was like who's it going to be? And surprisingly, no wild cut showed up. So, yeah, that's a beautiful thing about having forty to fifty peoples like you. Try to you try to iron that out and like hey, sorry, covid Bro, like we couldn't invite ars too many people, like you know. Yeah, so that's how it Chan. You know, sure, I had to stepping and Dick down a couple of people, but we won't talk about that now. We are. I mean like you, you know, you did your speeches, you were you were the best man. So, like you had to handle that best man shit. But Hey, anyway, it is what it is. It was a lot of a lot of fun. Cries the real question. He tried to, but there's no teas under there. Like me too as well, where I could, I tried to fabricate it during when my bride was walking down this the aisle, I was like, oh my so many. Yeah, it's not work. It's like good, it's really did you cry me? Yeah, I didn't. Actually, I was super proud of myself. Sorry, didn't run the makeup CK. No, no, and I did my own makeup to so like this carp that's impressive. I was too worried that somebody else is going to make me look like somebody that I have not. So yeah, I was walking down the aisle and I was all smiles and I think I was just it was a shock, like, oh my gosh, everybody that we love this here and yeah, my husband did all cry for us. So it's good. That's cute. That's what's your husband's name? My husband's name is Mason, Mason, Mason. Look Tell Mason. We said high and lucky to have you. We needed we did. We. So is that Mason's last name as well? Trying, maybe I shouldn't give at names, or that's okay. Well, yeah, my last name is now Tran, which, for those people listening, I'm actually Australia, like Australian, like my parents are European. So I don't look like my last name should be Tran means that's really the ENEMEZ. Yes's funny's and I've had a lot of fun so far of confusing people when they say you know people, when they see that last time, they expect a particular looking person. I show up and they're like no, we're looking for Hailey trade. How could you said you know? Well, I'd now that's beautiful. Way. That's so good and I guess, like, I don't know, like I didn't want to make it too personal, but it's an interesting question. Like was he born in Australia? Was He? Did he move to Australia when he was young or sure, yes, he was born in Australia. Yeah, so it can. Yeah, it's interesting because a lot of people ask him that and he's like, you know, I'm Australian. I like, but where are you from? And it's like sure, yeah, so it's always an interesting topic and it's, you know, something that we talked about too, because it's like, you know, one day we'll probably have kids and they'll grow up very differently to what I did because I didn't have sort of particular experiences, because I'm like, you know, and they'll have, yeah, rances because they're Asian or part Asian. So it is it's a very interesting thing to what was it like the first sort of initial getting to know his parents and that sort of thing? Was it? He's so he speaks with it. That's a big question. Yeah, and she was, I think she was more nervous than I was, like Shah, that's going and she's been lovely for every since I've met her and I think she's just not super confident with her English. But my it's okay, like I can understand you, we can, you know, have fun. And yet now she's lovely and his health family is lovely to so it's good. It's good. We get along well and I love his grandma as well, even though I can't communicate with her. It's funny. I'm like, I need to learn this language so I can speak to his grandma. She makes good eye contacts, she can say hello. Currently,...

...currently I'm working the company that I work for is originally started in China, so I I kind of work with a lot of that culture. It like almost that it's so funny enough the owners of the company that I work for is a Japanese. The wife of the owner is Japanese and the husband Chinese, so from Hong Kong. So they actually don't speak each other's language and you know they've been together for so many years and it's brilliant and kind of being around that culture right, it's so interesting because, you know, obviously I've had friends who have been of Asian ethnicity, but all of them grown up in Australia right, so I first time being around those, around people who actually, you know, grew up in that culture, is so different and it's so interesting because they go from hyper protective to the to like to telling me of I'm like color I I've been employing either. The actually is surprisingly really giving people like look, yeah, really, they just have that nature which I feel like, you know, I don't want to see that. I don't take away anything from the Western society, but I think there's a different style of care that that go that culture carries and it's kind of it's quite pleasure. Will actually to be older totally family orientated and it's great like just to see them together. They really been together and really care for each other and it's yeah, yeah, yeah, one of my I to, like I had multiple, but my best mate, Lawrence, he was pillow, and my other, one of my vehicles made, seems, name was Chin and he was Vietnamese, and every time you go to their party, like I think it was twelve, thirty and forty, around that age, and he was just like there was like cousins, the n seen for years. Like there was forty or fifty people out of you know, at a two year olds birthday party. And I was just felt that was so welcoming as well. But it just felt so beautiful because he knew how how family orientated again, they were and how lovely it was that that was the precedents. And I was pretty lucky that I was brought up in a pretty decently loving ausi household, but there was like so much rivalry, unnecessarily as well, and we're living separate lives and look how good we're doing. These other guys were not each other guys, but my best mates were so their families were so like. They worked harder than anyone else, as there will business owners. They had PhD like or doctorates as well, but they were just so caring and loving for each other that it felt more as like you are in a more family, aren't headed atmosphere, less, less about the yeah, it's good, more integrated family orientation in particular that, sighs, will do work. And what I find interesting is the word of the things that talk about work, hard, working right and I noticed, and I was talking to someone about this other day, right and I said, I'm the gym that I go to right has basically, I can't believe this is turning into a race thing. But anyway, but this did I go to right tunly, one race might the human race. Crazy at the team that I the gym that I go to in Marsin Parklakland, has about ninety percent population of, you know, either East Asian or West Asians or, you know, basically from either. You know, Pakistani Indians, you know Chinese, Japanese group. You fifteen countries and Asia, hundred secondary in Asia. But you know, maybe you every now and then you'll see like no offenses, one, one person right, couple of walls, a couple of the FELLAS. What it? What it is the column? Or was dogs? I realize I realized. I was like well, you know, it's interesting because it's just a different way of like, you know, they have a different mentality. Like, you know, even on a public holiday, they're they like, you know where I take a day off because, you know, I'm like yeah, they, you know, still there. So it's a it's a completely different it's a very fascinating month set and, to be honest, you know, I actually, you know, I always thought that side of the world was really interesting. I mean I'm really into like the Japanese culture out of all of them. So but yeah, I always find that fascinating. Anyway, it's a little bit of attention about race. Yes, that's a beautiful thing. It's a bit of thing, my friend. It's nice to be able to talk about it without, you know, talking about more political issues. I think it's nice to have a chat about it when we just talked about what, you know, what characteristic particular you know, nation has. Anyway, moving on from that, one of the things I guess I was kind of excited about because I can't talk about marriage. That's why I was quite the whole time because, you know, just say that there's no anyone. Please do best. We please do introduce you know, moving on to I know this was past couple of years where like a pretty past year was pretty interesting years, to say the least. I mean, obviously was tough for everyone, but obviously, you know, you kind of not only you know, survived that. You kind of seems like you thrived, Hailey, right, and I think I can kind of say...

...that as well. Like I mean, there was few things that I did I was quite proud of that I would have not done in you know or normal circumstances, and I know it recently you've kind of started. You've been dabbling with the starting your own business right. That's that's something I was really excited to talk about. It was like because, you know, I've kind of gone through the process and, you know, I get pretty happed up every time someone, someone steps into that room of you know, entrepreneurship, because then I could be like finally, black people, my people, yes, let's let's get into that. Like, you know what kind of was like the initial thought pattern. You're like, Oh, let's do this, you know, like and like if it helps out kind of start. You of like originally, when I came up with the idea of like, you know, starting my company, and which was very different from what I do now, but original ideas, I was like, well, I just don't like the way people do things, you know, I want to do him more interesting and more, you know, more estatically, state in a more esthetic way and a more you know loving, in a more you know, more loving way, if that makes sense right. I wanted to bring like almost kind of like a care aspect to business and that was my mindset when I started. So, Yeallo, what was what was it for you? When you you're like Oh, let's, you know, start the business and you know what? Yeah, let's enter that then now. Sure, I think it goes back a little bit further that. For me, I always knew that I wanted to start something, but I didn't know what to do. I was like, I have this drive, I have this passion, I want to be able to build something, I want to start my own business, but I have no idea what I want to do, and I think that was really frustrating for me for a long time I was like, Oh, I have this passion, I have this like enthusiasm, want to start something, but I have absolutely no idea like what I could do. So I found that really difficult, I know, but yeah, I found that really difficult to know what to start exactly. So it took me maybe you're or two to know and figure out like what I wanted to do or sort of understand, you know, what are my skills, one of my strengths, and really thinking about that too. Yeah, know exactly what stop. So I was doing a little bit of sort of random work here and there on air tasker and sort of doing freelancing and just trying a whole bunch of things just to see, you know, what I liked and what I was good at, something that I've always which sounds really planning, something that I've always really enjoyed doing and being good at. It's typing and I type well and fast, and I was like, Oh, this is really cool. What's your work? What's your word record? Payment record is a hundred forty, but I average. You stop, that's ridiculous, which sounds are dirty, but every year that's actually bring insane. That's actually I think, yeah, like average for people who's like thirty seven or something like that. That was up ten coffees. Like yeah, so it's funny. I remember when I was about six years old, my dad bought a typing program and what was this? This was like early two thousands, and his like sit down, you're going to learn how to type. But I was like this is so lame and I was like the best thing he ever did. I was like thank you so much for this skill. Like I write emails so quickly and I can do things so quicker, so much quicker than I would have been up to other I so, yeah, I hated it back then, but I'm very proud of it now. But anyway, so, yeah, I decided that I wanted to I had done a little bit of transcribing work, which is very sort of see, so yours. Now it makes a lot more sense. I used to be walking fast and hill used to be on her desk and sure, and now I'm like Na, she's like typing away, she's like writing. Yes, is I was. I was thinking. Like for me, like you know, the speed is not nearly comparable, but when I type or I message on my phone, I feel like I can closely relate to my my thought when I write, because I was riding so slow or even speaking sometimes I would catch ahead of myself. I feel like typing in or riding on a keypead. is He as close to equivalent as what the way my brain works? Yeah, yeah, it's really interesting. Sure, yeah, I guess writing is like a lot slower. Yeah, it's a good point. I don't know, I find that. Yeah, it's good to be able to yeah, think in Type Smash. Yeah, exactly. I love that. You remember that? Any yeah, I just you know, it was like I remember that now continue, it's like, why was she ignoring me? No, she was just like deep in thought in her typing escapades. Yes, I done a little bit and of transcribing work and essentially what transcribing is is essentially like audio to text. So there was a podcaster like a that had popped an add on air tasker and they wanted somebody to transcribe and I thought, Oh, I could do that. I reckon, I could do that pretty quickly. So I contacted her and sort of put in a bid for that and was able to get the job. And yes, I did a bit of transcribing work for...

...her. She had a health and fitness podcast and sort of manifesting and that sort of stuff. And Yeah, so do a bit of transcribing for that and was like wow, I could actually do this. This is really cool. So I sort of sat on that for a while and did a little bit of freelancing here and there and actually over this last lockdown in Melbourne, I was kind of like, you know what, I think I just need to do it. I think I just need to like build a website and like just do it. And I think the thing that stopped me so many times as like I don't have this element of it or I don't know what I'm to do here, and I'm like, you know what, no, I just need to put a website up and like get started and put myself out there, even if I don't have everything sorted initially, like these things will come together. Let's just like start with the base. So that's pretty much where I'm at at this stage. I pretty much just put myself out there into the universe and just said, look, I'm just going to give this a go, see how I go and see where I go from there. So, yeah, I'm very much at the beginning of this journey, but I'm excited, I think, because I've sort of push past that point that you get to where it's like, oh, should I should I do it? Should I jump? Should I jump? And I've actually I feel like I've, even though I haven't. It hasn't been a long time. Like having made that leap makes me feel really like encouraged and proud of myself. So yeah, yeah, that's my story so far. That's beautiful. And I hit legs as he started talking. I needed to go for a toilet break. Muted my microphone off air podcasting trick. Did you give away like your business, like, did you? Did you give yourself a plug? No, I didn't. What are you doing, Bro Now? You're a good man. You're a good man. My business is called and it's I think it's hilarious. It's Haley transcribes. That sensation of that is said. Anyone have to change the spelling, would you? That's at standing. Like came up as a joke with my husband. I was like, you know what, I'm just going to roll with this, I'm just gonna go for it. It's great. So yeah, that's sort of how I came up with it. And Yeah, next will be a transport business or maybe I'll learn another linkage to translate. You know, it just goes on and on. But yeah, so this business is a transcribing business. So for the PODCASTS, for UNI lectures, for Webinars, for teleconferences, are pretty much anything that's audio that can be transcribed into text. I can help you out. So yeah, that's that's what I'm doing at the moment. That's trends stastic. That joke. I'm allowed to at least have one. Okay, look, breckon capital letters, train and then lowercase. Yeah, very good, any one of the things. What's the website? Sure, so it's Haley transcribe. SCOM Doda, use my website. I also have an instagram and a linked in and if I so, yes, I believe that I will do the linking. I will do this. It's betting. Great, that's awesome, right in this very incredible that you are doing that. And like the good the good thing is one and I work in marketing, right, and I can tell you now the demand for content is shooting through the roof every single day, right. They know there's no not enough content creator that can keep up with the demand of that content that's actually out there. I mean, you think about at the speed of which people consume content, right, you article writing, and the thing with creating content is, like particularly written form, it makes it difficult because people find it difficult to write, right, because there's an ideology that you need to have a more structured writing. So so many people like to podcast. A much easier, however, to things like Seo. When you talk about Seo, right, so you can probably actually leverage that as well. So you can take a blow, take a podcast and turn that into a blog, right, so you can turn that into a blog and that could actually be a service. And if you that's SEO written blog. And if you just take the one keyboard that they they want to run with. You know, you've got yourself a whole business model that thrives on people's most you know, trending trend, I guess, which is for the past, you know, a couple of years. Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah, and I think that's definitely something that I can see, yeah, within podcasting or, you know, different sort of content platforms where, yes, there's so much demand for content and so much opportunity there, when it comes to podcast in particular, that you could be utilizing, you know, the things that you talked about in the podcast or that sort of thing. And if you have a transcription of that, not only is it great for content and blogs and Seo, like you said, but it also opens up your podcast to, know, people that might have hearing impairments or that don't particularly speak English very well, and they can, you know, obviously use those as well. So there's a lot of different benefits to having those transcriptions as well. Yeah, and and and, because now that we have you on the podcast, I'm going to just go and going to give you some, you know, free marketing help here as well. What you can do is one of the one of the pieces of content that would work really well for you is if you take famous...

...monologs in from films, like, let's say, find a film that's famous, right, or just find any pieces of content that's already reproduced, mostly films. I think that'd be the best idea and, you know, take the video and transcribe it at the bottom and and then share that onto your socials. People find that really interesting because they can read while they watched this Monologu right, and so that would be fairly interesting. I think people will find that quite interesting and to spend fair bit of time owner as well. You could use the same manner on ticktock as well, on instagram. Yeah, I was going to say how would you execute that? But tick tock would be perfect because you could have the words over the top of the video, right, like, yeah, like instagram doesn't have the space. If you need to scroll down on Instagram, you stop the video, right. So you could reels on Instagram as well. So, yeah, let's screen. Half screen would be just like writing and then half screen would be and then it kind of highlights the line as the people speak. So I don't know, maybe you take the famous scene of the notebook where he could stop out and then, you know, you just describe that, because not that simple explanation by commissioner. Yeah, but I think that would be fairly something that you could definitely do and that we really because very quickly people would people wash things. People are very wherever they can. Combined Senses tends to be the place where people pay most of the intention. Hence Tick Tock with music work so well because it's just music. Yeah, anyway, that's a little thank you. Implement that. It's fun because I can be creative with it too and implement these different strategies. So I appreciate that. Thank you. That's that's okay. Yeah, well, that's definitely like this, this one stuff. You can do it, so could on you. I'm very excited for you to see where you go. And obviously we have a podcast and you know, I think we could probably use a blog, as all oak when. So you know, if we're going to grow that areas also, that could be fun. Might you would have to sell me in that Avenue, but I'm sure I would believe it as well. Just like. Yeah, I was really curious as to someone unlike a Nique who didn't just run away from the state. Just joking, someone who's currently living is still living in Melbourne, like the what's the overall what's your overall thoughts on how like do you like? Were you born in Melbourne? Like? Is this been your place of both? Like you grew up here. This is sort of been where your heart's been your entire life? I did so. I was born in Melbourne, being Melbourne predominantly my whole life and I lived in England for about two years but came back just before the pending whereabouts in England. I lived in York in England. So it's about us of London. So loved it there. Yeah, loved it, loved it, miss it every day. So I suppose, in answering your question as to where my heart is, it's partly here and partly there. Yeah, you feel as though you're Melbourne's the most adaptable city to England in Australia. So, yeah, Tasmania might be closer, but the weather obviously. But yeah, yeah, no, I do feel like Melbourne is pretty similar to England and a lot of ways. Obviously whether is one of those. But I do remember living in England and at getting dark at thirty and four o'clock and being like wow, how can I do this and now winter here feels like a breeze because, yeah, down at fire or like, oh my gosh, I haven't actually asked if I had any yeah, yeah, but I guess, getting back to your question, it's yeah, being in Melbourne, like I do feel like my allegiance is here because it's been where I've lived in Australia like predominantly. But there have been times that I have wanted to run away to Brisbane, and that's where my husband is originally from, and they have been moments where I thought we've picked the wrong place. We should have moved to Brisbane, yeah, when we could have before we bought it. Yeah, yeah, we live in coffs harbor right now in Melbourn's about our so Brisbane's about four hours away, Gold Coast three. So it's like it'd potentially be where we would move to next. There's no plans there, but if we were to move like I feel because being a Sydney boy, I still feel like a part of me wants to live in the city. And Yeah, it's a good idea, but obviously there's so many different factors and it's like the old saying, like is the grass greener on the other side topics. But what's it been like in terms of living, living through you know, kind of been international standard of lockdown that only Melbourne has really experienced? Sure, it's really hard to describe. I was thinking about this the other day because I've got a lot of friends in Brisbane that I try and describe it to, but it's hard. It's I think the feeling is difficult. Like this last lockdown in particular, I've had that same feeling that I had last year of like this a drop in my stomach, like Oh gosh, like we don't know how long this is going to last. It's a sort of a feeling of like Oh gosh, like I'm trapped or like I can't leave...

...my house, and even if we were not in lockdown, I'd probably be at home, but it's just knowing that I can't go outside or can't leave or can't see friends and family and that sort of thing is quite tricky. Obviously we're super blessed to have technology these days where we can obviously stay in touch with people and be connected without being in the same room, which is great, butsually just I don't know, it's this feeling of kind of dread in a way. I don't know, it's tricky. Yeah, apparently I'm the see of positivity. That's right. You know, not feeling positive during lockdown and, you know, particularly working the events industry, it's hard because we got to a point in Melbourne, I feel that we were at a hundred percent capacity and we could, yeah, everyone was sort of getting that confidence back up to go out and like, you know, go to restaurants and go to events and that sort of thing, and now we're sort of starting from scratch again where, you know, we have capacity limits and it's really starting from scratch. It almost feels like when's this going to be over? Yeah, that's why, ass why do we have to lockdown? We like probably eight weeks we had it where we were at the stage where I remember, think, driving to the petsil station or driving the shops and being worried that I was going to be pulled over a worried that I was going to be asked about what I was doing outside of home. And that was the only time that I really was. You know, they never shut down beaches and that sort of thing. Like I would have been the first absolute joker cops Har but basically, all we're known for is the weather, best weather in the country. And then the beach is like I would have been there. I would have and jumping fences whatever. But like, so the only time that I really felt disheartened, if you will, was the times when I was outside about to leave my house and I was like, I'm questioning whether I should leave right now. So I was worried and I don't want to make it political, but it's for me, it's more like observational and it's I'm just curious, like, for example, like the next election comes, do you stick with the current people or do you want to change? Like, do you feel like these people, even though they made some tough decisions and emotionally they might have put you through certain situations? Do you want these people in power or do you? Would you rather? Would you rather dad is song leader was without making a political if that's from a personal perspective, from a more human yeah, I would like to say Daniel Longest leader Indus earlier. So he's he isn't one say he's a nasty no, no, no, continue to continue, please. What's your thoughts? Now? Just surfing, go back and forth, like I can completely understand why we have to go into a well why they choose to put us into lockdown and to sort of stop the spread. But then there's times where I'm like, Oh, like you know, you know, I lived in England for a while and seeing how they're going over there and opening back up. But I also this is going to be a very all over the place answer, but you know, obviously you know, they've had a really difficult time over the last twelve months with they're slowly opening up, their vaccine levels doing really well, whereas here, I feel like, you know, we've been locked down still in Melbourne. have been locked down for, you know, four times over the last fifteen months and it's it's hard. You see small businesses suffering, you see people losing their livelihoods. You know, I was trying to plan a wedding and like that. Whole Industry is just struggling and that's just one of many. So I do think that that's it's sad to see that sort of thing happening. I understand, you know, there's public health implications and that sort of thing, but if we can't if we can't live like, you know, what's you know, what's the point? Almost sometimes like that might be a bit of a strong point, but I'm like, oh, man, like, how many times do we have to look down before we can live our lives? I don't know, Australia has the population. The entirety of the country has the population of London right. So, like it's a where, you know, even though we have these big cities infrastructure, we have it all set up, like our population, like we're almost extremely like we're always likely to be Australian because we live in such a beautiful country. But now more than ever, we have this perfect happy medium between, like I understood the reasoning of copying the way other countries did things, but we are like in this perfect spot where we have so much space and there are small pockets of our society that leave close together, but we don't have enough people for us to be treated like Italy, for example, that have you know again. But like I don't want it to be political. It's more just like have a little cool for me and just trying to actually reason through it all and that sort of thing. That take it is what it is really. Yeah, something that I find interesting is, like I want to how they'll manage opening boarders internationally, but yeah, passports. Yeah, I think that'll be really interesting to see how they they roll that out. Son Ad on, you have I mean, you have to get vaccinated because other countries, you know, you have to get the kind of pass which I understand it is what it is exactly stepping in, right, and I would I the way I see it, right, and I look at Australia, right, I'm very disappointed with Australian government. Right, I...

...think we're lucky country because of the place we live in, right, and a lot of the rules and regulations that were kind of protected and that we were cheering for were in place because they were being in place four years, right. You know, support things like, you know, job keeper and job seeker and all those things. They were, you know, fundamentally a part of our legislation, legislation that been in place for, you know, years, right. You know. So in in time of like crisis, you know, the government's of you know, the federal government has a step in and what not. Right. However, when it comes down to how this government handle this whole pandemic, I think our government did a sub hard job, given that we only have like what, you know, thirty, thirty million people all together, you know. So it's like, how are you struggling? You know, how do you keep on screwing this up so badly? How are you not vaccinating people? You know, what's wrong with you? Like oral and I think you know it's a it's an ongoing joke with but with the, you know, Victorian government. You know, fact the matter is no Danian and just could steam out every week. You know, said all this, right, you know, it was nice, but if you really look at what was happening, they, no one can deny that government made huge mistakes, right, catastropic mistakes. You know, we live in a country where you go to five kilometers over the speed limit and they send you a one thousand dollar fine, right, you know, and and your and your firstborn right, and so you know, and that's that's the kind of you know, that's how much, how protective we are. How can we allow a government that basically caused us, you know, almost two years of our lives, you know, because they couldn't get the shit together? How can we just go? You know what, you're right, will let you back in. So, personally, I'm very disappointed from whether it be Labor Liberal, I don't think it matters. I think overall, the government failed the people. So yes, that's the big words out here. Yeah, looking and just sort of, yeah, summerize what you said as well. Like definitely felt that this particular last lockdown in Melbourne, it felt like it like we had come so far, like we got to the zero cases, done everything, but it was, you know, a floor in the quarantine system that you know, and it it felt like the fault of the government. This times. I think everyone was kind of like, like we're back and look down, but this is not our fault this time, like this sucks. You know, that's probably the the the resounding thought of Melbourne for this particular last lockdown is it really it's like, Oh man, we come so far and now we're back here again, and not by our own fault. The justification of full lockdowns because they wanted to really let's get to zero. It's one of the most contagious diseases in the history of humanity. We actually don't have many deaths, like we're really lucky, but we're not, like I don't know, it's just like I understand that, you know, you don't want to take any chances, but are those chances worth, you know, people's businesses, like people's livelihood. In like. I've been so lucky that it's not affecting me directly, but, like imagined, it's not even businesses, though. It's not even businesses. I mean one thing that I would like to say, right, is the fact, in the fact and prayers of heart, the price of house. It's not back and going down, is it? Man, it's through the plasm. All right, he'll fucking rent for an hour. Let's Getty Moore. Not just one thing that I would like is this. This whole era is costing us our years in our lives, right, yeah, so, well than, I mean quick looking, for it's early July. This is ridiculous. So this is this is this is facts. Right when when covid nineteen started, I was twenty four. I'm fucking pretty sad now. Really six? How does that happen? I mean, it doesn't like now. I was like yeah, totally, so it's bigging buble. And Anyway, the point is, in this BA years I missed out a lot. Right. So this costing us, you know, years on our lives. And on top of that, let's talk about how hard is it realistically speaking? To keep people into a freaking hot hotel right here. You know how to how hard it. It's pretty easy to just lock people into a theater and just not open the door. You know, we don't let the late comers in. You know, you know how it works. It's not that hot. We don't let the lead comers in until it's been ready to go. It's not that hot, just lock the FRICKID door. Hey. But I think the problem was that a bra was in security. So that was the second is. They they went cheaper the security, but so is there were. It's all sorts from the beginning or sorry. Anyway, I guess we wrap up right. I wanted to had a question, perhaps for both of you. Right. What's the what's the fuel of motivation that keeps you guys taking what's the wow, yeah, totally, yeah, that's like, yeah, okay. So, like, obviously now you know that's a bit of thing. Like we actually had a covid baby, believe it or not. You know, she was born on the form of Juli Two thousand and twenty, so she's a covid baby. So that's so my not. My wife is number...

...one. My wife will always be number one because as we got married, our souls became one. So it technically the same person, you know, just us, like I didn't make that, God made that. So this is what it is. So me my wife are the same person. So she's number one. So providing security, relieving anxiety in terms of financial stresses and her future is definitely massively important for me. The second one is providing a great example for my daughter, being a good dad, teaching her how to develop and grow and mold in this world. Like I want to be the type of parent that my dad had no idea about the advancements of technology and you know, it's back in my day. Like I don't want to be that parent. I want to be ahead of the curve right. So that's my goal, just, you know, facilitating being a good dad, so being a good husband, of being a good dad, and then just being a good work up, being a good person, being a good friend, that sort of thing. So my motivation comes from my family and then it comes from my friends and everything else. Like there's definitely an internal drivers or and an internal drive that nick need to continue to grow upon. But if I don't first address those first two primary sources, my family, so my family and friends, my wife, my daughter, then my internal thing. It's not strong enough to survive by itself. It needs to be external. So that's kind of my answer, I guess. HMM, that's awesome. I don't know how to sorry much the wrong this is actually you did off. I didn't know. That's fantastic. I think I completely resonate with what you said in the sense that, yes, I have, like my initial answers, like that internal drive, like I have, it'll drive. I want to, you know, have these goals, I have these things that I want to do, but literally, if you don't have family and you're not doing it for, you know, the people that you love, like that drive eventually is going to wear off, like it's not or you shifted somewhere else because you think it. Yeah, and yeah, that's it. Yeah, exactly. So if I actually think about it a bit deeper and I like it, well, yeah, it is, you know, it's, but it's for my family, it's for you know, you know my husband now as well, very similarly, but also for like for my parents, for example, to get up some Mason. Mason, shout out to Mason and my parents, you know, who gave up so much for me as well and that sort of things. I think, yeah, it's the people around you and it's more than that. Just sort of like the superficialness of just like that internal drive, which is also like an amazing thing, and like obviously you've got it. You know, if you don't have that, it's difficult to start things. So I'm grateful for that too. But yeah, for the people around me and to make a good example. And I don't have kids yet, but I'm sure one day that will be, you know, number two on my list as well. So, yeah, have a you might you want to answering question that you can't get it. You Got Das away from that one side. No, no, I know all the answers. I mean I'd well, it's I'm in a pretty in a different piece of life, I pres I guess, from you guys right, where you guys have married right and have a significant other, where I kind of stand, I still stand on that more intrinsic drive in a little of my drive comes from these are huge aspect or where I care about the people around me. Definitely, you know, family friends, but I also care like I want to make a difference in the world. And I most of my drive comes from the fear of dying insignificant, if that makes sense. Right. So, you know, I don't want to be insignificant and to be significant. I don't see I don't have to, you know, change, I have to move mountains. It really just means, even even if it's something small, less being a really good example for, you know, your family or your kids. Right, whatever. Right, if you want to be example, a person, I think that's significant enough. I think I always my biggest fear is to, you know, be no one, if that makes sense. Like you know, do to die, to die, die an average live an average life and die and average human, you know, and it's doesn't take much to set I guess. Like to be different from that. Like you know, all you have to do is, you know, just keep your energy up by three octtions than everyone else and, you know, have the you know, have the passion to talk, you know, passion to talk to people and say hello, and you just Dr I think that's kind of where I said, and I'm sure a lot of that wing is more important than energy. Sorry, caring is more important than energy, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, you know, but I don't think it builds the same thing. But yeah, because energy, are sometimes say from people, is artificial. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think there's a lot of there's there's like a you know, I personally, I've always had like you have. Everyone has a default right, people that kind of sit at right. You know, you, let's say, you know, be most people sit out of five right, especially after a like work day, you know, or the years like or the years I wanted. I didn't want to be the kind of person who finishes...

...work at five and goes home and what is TV and just does nothing else, because that's what a person had. A five energy or like fuck, you know, gives five ships. So true. Yeah, that's a good stand. That felt like. I'm happy to sacrifice sleep if I get to I don't hang out with you guys, like do a podcast or like you know, you know, sketch up with family. I think. Yeah, that that's at the moment. That's my drive. I'm sure that would change as I develop more of my relationships and all that. Yeah, I mean like and want to become a husband once, to become a dad, like you are no longer not worth nothing. You have something more to live for. But, like I've actually been wondering that recently, like without the situation, I mean now, like, how would I go? And there's no, by no means your situation is devalued from ours because you have a significant up or whatever else. It's just your path that you've brought. That's not I yeah, yeah, it is what it is. You know. Yeah, I just don't want yeah, like I'm as long as you know and you don't have that. Yeah, for sure, for sure, I think, with the jokes aside, I'm happy with that human I am, and I think that's it takes a while to get to the point where you're happy with the person you are and you know, to to feel like your voice and you know your being is worth hearing and worth existing. I think a lot of people suffer with accidential, you know crisis, internal accidential crisis of you know, new we're thinking they're enough. I think I am, or have been, at a point for a while where I do think I'm enough. Like you know that. It's very shit. Yeah, now, let's right. I knew you when you're sixteen, man. I know you now sit for sure, but you always had that that in a desire to drive us having more on its supermode rating for me personally. So that's why I love you so much. I one of the many reasons it is what it is. Great Answer. Might you just knocked out of the part? I feel like we did. I feel like we knocked this entire would get a little Hailey Tran trantastic effort today, heavy did so well. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you so much for having it was our pleasure. Give us a plug. Give the people applied for all the means of people who have continued, just saying for the end of the podcast, let us know where to find you and, yeah, where we can know more about you. I guess so. Yes, so you can find me on all these social platforms. Finally, on Haley transcribes facebook, Hayley transcribs, instagram is Linkedin websitecom to the yeah, find me on any of those Handy Dandy platforms. Take that opportunity to plug ourself. Check out out. Check us out in the clever dumbest podcastcom if you haven't checked us on, check us out on Instagram, the clever doub his podcast, and on stitcher and itunes. Well, apple stitcher. What if I'm a big boyshit mate, it was that steacher as well. As you Google podcasts, just look us up anywhere. I'm sure we'll show up hundred percent. If you need a great subscriber, you know where to go. Let's go to you. Ever something to say me no, and Nick, where you buy something? Beautiful? Guys? All right, not so, but this's been so fantastic. You are such a great guest. Yeah, we really appreciate you coming on and pouring out your heart, sharing you know yourself and and just, you know, making great insight and making us better people ultimately, because that's what these sort of conversations build within us. So thank you so much, Haley. Thank you, a niche. I love you so much. You guys, have a great week, have a great day, have a good night, morning afternoon when, if you're listening this, God bless this has been the clever Dummige podcast, episode twenty five, baby, tell a friend. God bless you all. Have a great night. Get Jo.

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