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Episode 15 路 2 years ago

The CDP // Ep15: Where are we at with Covid-19? 馃┖

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In Ep15 of The Clever Dummies Podcast, We catch up on where we are at with the Coronavirus/covid-19 and some of the implications that have come to our attention. 

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Aneeqe A. Khan & Lachlan Inwood.  

And that's it. Really thank you for joining us for another special episode of the Clever Dummy podcast. I'm lucky, as always, joined by Nick O gun today. Brother, I'm good, man, I'm good. I'm good. That's all I did. Things. Yeah, now we are up. Yeah, my, just like this. It's like the old days. Might we got to tame the base before we deliver it to the people of those you know that we could get into sperious drive. So it's you know, it's good to see nothing's change anyway. And I guess before we get into the PODCAST, might just to go through some formalities. Of course. We've got a brand spanking new theme for the show, a new picture, cover photo, if you like, on all our socials. Then also a brand new website as well, clever dummiescom. This clever dummies podcastcom, know the clever Timei his podcast, the exile of dumb his podcast. So you go kind even get that right, the kind of Dombes podcastcom. Check out our show list. As we said, my brand new, brand new display poto photo. Their background really POPs on spotify and of course, if you're listening to us on spotify, think you if you're an apple podcast even better stitch. Hopefully we have made made it to read tube yet, but maybe one day that could do it. Yeah, that's it. Google podcast as well. So my what's your one? Look? Not, not much, just, you know, work in a way, chipping away on things as per usual, and just trying to keep my life together in this covid nineteen normal or there's people like to call it. And then all this. Unprecedented, is a word I've heard a few times, but unprecedented. It's funny because you want to go for you like your daily routine, but it's just it's a different world, man, and like your ball, sleep into it, obviously in Victorias, we spoke about last time, and you're trying to run a business to so like you've got it all going off. But my it's it's how we deal when the fire is going on that proves out again, how have we wanted a so it's going to become easy, man, it's going to it's like a rubber band brother was going to bounce back and when it bounces back, that's all we got to be ready for it. Well, that's exactly right. I think it's going to be a little bit weird when it does bounce back. I mean, I'm an optimist, so I will say that things are going to bounce back. I'm sure there are some people saying that things will never be the same, which, you know, here and there I could agree with as well. But, you know, for the optimism optimist in me, I hope that things will go back to the way they used to be, if not better, because I hope that Kovid nineteen had taught us, has taught us and had taught us at that point things that we never knew about our self and community and society, which it did. I think, you know, I truly do thing. It taught us a lot about the society, about ourselves, not to mention all the Karen's running around picking fights with picking fights with the staff of bunnings. Yeah, UNMUST have some of the stuff. We were talking about it when we first did our first got the other show going at the side of the year. Like these things will talk about, like advance its advancements in technologies, businesses needing to be able to adapt, people needing to be able to adapt, and dealing with stress and change, like it all came on us at once. So we we bloody we were the here at least, hoping to brace for it. But it's just funny, man like. It's one of those things we're going to have to look back on and try to go, you know, try to try to have fond memories of it and going to have heaps of covid going to be, you know, the word of that. That's going to be the next band word. But once this blows over, and I mean it is what it is at the end of the day, bro nothing too crazy popping off down in Melbourne. But I looked like, I mean, cases have jumped up. I think since our last podcast there was a day recorded of seven hundred something cases and then there was a then there was yesterday was six hundred something. So we've really pumping up. We're clipping that thousand mark almost. So, you know, it's pretty nuts. It's pretty crazy, you know, a little bit scary as well. I can see why people would be really fearful right now, because things are pretty scary, especially when you take into account how many people are actually dying, which is scary and what. And then there's also that back that there's people out there who were creating this, the whole situation as a joke and opportunity to get some attention and just get some heads on, you know, just to get some eyes on them. And you know, of course then there's the media, who would just do anything to get some eyes on themself, you know. So there's so much of that going on. So it's truly truly an interesting time. I don't know if you are keeping up, if you follow trump on twitter, but he recently retweeted a video of this doctor. I'm not sure if she's telling the truth or if she's not telling the truth, and she claims to had found the cure for corner virus and she's really confused how no one would take her up on it, and trump went ahead and read to it at that. Which is out, you know, which is got the sole video? Yeah, yeah, yeah,...

...he's Um, I don't follow I don't use twitter a lot, but I would say at least once a week I'm searching his name with twitter followed by it, because this is so exacted, popping off. He gets into it man like. That's one thing that you definitely can say about him is he's himself. He's not this fake politician. He's are not very good at anything else, but at least we can give him maybe a little bit of one makes me while. You know, I was talking to that video, that video quickly. I watched it the other day as well, and then I watched that's what I think. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And then I saw a cantent bery's name, which I wish I did, but he's a doctor, really well spoken dude on Youtube and he talks a lot about patrition. That's how I found out about him. But he spoke about it. So he watched the video and commented on it and he's obviously he's all for research and the way he broke it down is like he loves the passion that the lady has. He loves that she cares so much about her her her patients that you know when it's good to hear that knowledge dying. But she's refuting scientific research and a lot of ways, because Hyde chloric side chlorine, someone like that has been looked at a fair bit. What I like her speaking about is the zinc in the account of the other thing on top of it. I don't know how much research has been done into that, so that could be interesting for the future. But Hydro clocks equor like a kind of about how to pronounce it. The people sort of started to hear about that when Donald Trump first spoke about it, and then some gumbies in the midwest drank a whole bunch of it because it said chlorine on their on their bloody pool mixer, and they died. And that that's how I heard about it. But it's yeah, it's definitely not the craziest thing he's done. Man Like that's so tame. Like you've got to go through, you've got to. You can't have people when you're like that. You can't have someone, but you've got to have someone looking on your twitter because, but he just doesn't give a fuck. Sir. I mean president of one of the you know, largest countries. Yeah, I stivnial person. Yeah, most influential, and then he's just doing that kind of shit like it's nothing. He's doing it. You know, he reminds me of girls in our you know, talking on Facebook, you know, just watching a movie. I can't believe this person just said that pegs were live. Facebook seat is updating us on your movie. You know, it's really fascinating how that video spread and obviously I don't know what the situation is and I'm sure right now the conspiracist are jumping up and down and this is their gold mine. They've just struck gold. You know, they're very excited because they have just found something to like, something to talk about. Yeah, it's the same as with trump when he first got into office, like that's when it really ramped up again. The most of the stuff, like the biggest one that I was still hearing about was obviously eleven. But have been so long and the people, they just would just cling on to anything. What else has they've been remember they were talking about fake stuff going into the sky to help it rain and all this sort of thing. So I think the the vaccine will be the next one. So keep your ears out for a vaccine May. They're not going to be happy about that. I mean the Webson. That's the natures already out there. Anti vaxx has a block the jumping up on. They're like, you know, General Way by my place, as it's about body, body, or what is it? Other Day it's a whole scenario that's actually free, crazy and not know. It's a brilliant way to get into today's topic. How people are really taking this whole situation where to cut you off for a your mic is sort of cutting in and out through the events, like it's sort of as thing a bit. And Yeah, that makes sense this because people, I have people calling me. Okay, yes, I was cutting in and inut yeah, we can easily edit this. Okay, yeah, so absolutely agree there. But I think there's been a lot happening and this is a nice way to get into our topic today, which is the whole impact corner virus that it has had on the world and in I want to look at it from few perspectives and, like I said before, I really want to take like this new outlook on our podcast and start talking about how how social influences working and what people are doing and really start looking and debugging debunking that kind of situations as well. So the one that I wanted to talk about, which is just coming off that, you know, than the vaccine is going to be the next one. There's been so many companies who have been who been claiming that they have come up with a vaccine, which is really funny because you know there's one. There's one particular American farm stortical company who claimed and in fact spoke to trump and went on live ry said that they had come up with the vaccine. I don't know if you heard about that one. And and and they said they're a few weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, a few a few weeks ago, and they said they came up with a vaccine. And what ended up happening was their stocks went up and and then late and media reported on that.

They jumped on like this and they were like you know this, they have finally made progress on this coronavirus vaccine, and without reporting any of the any of the details. Turns out there were saying, yeah, we can come up with a bar anti virus. It's only going to take a about three to four years. They forgot to mention that. But and everyone's like this is great progress. The stocks, right, went right up and people are buying their stocks because it became about money making, right and and you know, I was wondering and I was thinking about it. This is what I said to you. I think today's topic we could talk about how there's been people who've been benefiting out of this global catastrophe right per se, because there's been people who've been benefiting at like a very high end while everyone else is suffering. Yeah, yeah, and I'm not one of those people who are saying that you know or you know, Netflix shouldn't make money, nor should Amazon. I'm fine with those people making money. I'm talking about the people who are directly benefiting from coronavirus, for example, those promisutical companies and by releasing those media releases, think they have found the vaccine and then coming back saying they don't have the vaccine until, or at least they don't have the vaccine for another x amount of years. And you know, I think that's kind of very sad. And then you have the media, who just jumps on anything under the sun that you get more eyes on their channels or more clicks on their website, without any sort of education or any edgy you know, any proper journalism done so pays. That's a whole situation. It's just like scientific research. To real journalism has to be formulated upon a large collection of data and speaking to a lot of different people and that sort of thing. But when the business model is what it is now, as we've spoken about many times, that's where that shit comes in. When I've I guess I was so immersed in it, but when I first heard about this and I should have thought about it before. I just didn't think about it. But everyone's you know, people always capitalize on it. There's an instagram account I follow. It's just called bio lanes a bio lane La. Why any the guy's name is Lan Dawton. He has PhD in nutrition, Competitive Bodybuilder, super smart dude and he breaks down a lot of like nutrition videos online of people pete's coming and saying, you know, sixweek ABS and do all this sort of thing. And the first one I saw was from this this really popular account covered it's called he. He's very heavy into Kido and he has his main video is like it's like Greek Olympus Body or something like that, and he has like this massive mansion and he super shredded. He's got long hair cut, Roddy's maybels. But yeah, yeah, you know body. Yeah, nobody, nobre. The simple was that. Yeah, Kino Kinoki and O. Yeah, that's right. Look at his page now, men, you see he's got no substance. Anyway, that's another definitely another story for another day. But yeah, he came out and said all these people died because their own white and the beast, you know, get on the Kido, lose your you know, their insolence too high, you know, lose your insulin, lose your liver protectular ever, and you're going to be OK. So straight away he he's capitalizing. I'm like, oh my gosh, well, obviously he's going to do it because he's an idiot and he just sells out at whatever is going to pay money. But then I thought about, like how many different industries are based off that? And you saw it like a I guess the most famous example in Australia was obviously the news report, real journalism was done on people who, obviously, through a connection in China, were buying a lot of baby formula, buying a lot of toilet paper, a lot of like really essential items that for a period of time we had shortages, is and limited mess in, which was almost crazy to think about. We spoke about that as though it's just it's just the worst of the worst. And then I thought, men like these people have done all that, have gone and they've shipped it not just directly out of Australia, where we need it, but I've sent it to the place where this damn thing started. And and obviously you mask that's made for thirty cents in in in China, more likely, more often than not, probably made over there, like it's sold for a ridiculous amount of money now, and I just go, this is just this should be like. Should there be laws on it? Like, I guess you have created freedom and a lot of examples, but it is just it's just the kind of a bit of a glimpse into the worst type of mannerity. Sometimes, isn't it just opens your eyes when it hits you in the face like that. Sometimes I gets my blood boiling, that's for sure. It's really fascinating what you said. It is completely true, the fact that these no law to sort of hold media, and particularly you know what, what's the name for it? It's called a old school media. Now there's a name for it. I always mentioned the name. I keep for getting the name for what do you call the news media, the broadcast broadcasting, modern, yeah, traditional, to dish, traditional media or mass media. That's what's yeah, one of the problems in mass media is because the way they're reporting it has they...

...had laws, and we remember learning this in broadcast broadcasting, media law and stuff and how much we could tell and what we could say and what we couldn't. But when they started going online is that's when the lines started to blur. All of a sudden they could say so many more things that weren't particularly true, and they're not really, I'd heard, by any particular law on the Internet is not governing body. That's not a bad I hate or anything like that. Yeah, and and on following that. On top of that, the Internet has that Internet has this particular personality on blowing up things that are that are, you know, not necessarily have a positive impact. So, you know, most of the time, if you see what's blowing up on the Internet, is always something negative, you know, because people like jumping up and down about things that are wrong with the growl. Yeah, and there's a lunge tree. Is the real thing right now. Ellen DeGeneres is in the cross is right now about, if you've been here, about that. The cancer culture is a whole nother problem. I mean that's a hole. That's a topic for a whole another an episode of episode. But you know, just want to quickly touch on that. There was one of the one of the Comedians that got canceled, Australian comedian that got canceled and I was quite annoyed by it because I actually really liked this stuff and they were saying, well, he had a you put on a black face and what not. I know Jimmy Fellon it's one of those guys. Was a Jim Jeffries maybe now Jim Jeffrey is always been. He's been way over the yeah, that's the beautiful thing about guys like him and like Adam Sand it's like you can't touching because he was the he's He's twenty years ago, but you're twenty two years he's so far from the castle culture that had. Culture is like well, he's already gets done everything else. What are Yeh? Canceling again. It's the same thing with bill burr that he's another guy, Bill Burr. He's I don't know if you heard much of Mouf. He's a very literal coot work. I've heard he's obviously these specials on Netflix a little bit and I listened to a little bit of his podcast he does now with but crish. I think it's called just bill and Burro something, but he's he's yeah, exactly right. He's just so true to himself. I remember saying clips of him in the s where he would go on like morning breakfast television and he was talking about religion and that would actually it's a really good example. Might have been maybe mid two thousands and the lady asked him, are you sort of talk shit about God or you talk shit about religion in your your thing, like why is that? And then he's like well, I have a sixty minutes set. I tell two jokes on religion. If you really want to go down that rabbit hole, we can open up the rabbit hole and talk about fucking the Catholic Church and everything else, but anyway I'll sort of again went down the rabbit hole there. But he's that's kind of a strategy, right, if you're going to be that person. Like even now Isaac Butterfield. He's a great example in Australian sense, to He's constantly on the front lines for us back at soldiers and let me trying to put away for the way that sort of things. I don't know, like it's yeah, that's another podcast for I think. Yeah, for whold. I appreciate Isaac Butterfield, love what he's doing. I think it's quite funny. Is Brilliant. You know, but at the same time, sometimes I do have I have seen him get to, you know, too far as well. Yeah, but then I think I'm a fan. I would say I'm a fan. I mean, yeah, that's not a comedy, but there's no boundaries to a man, as long as you're not an absolute Dick about it. Yeah, and right, comedian. But yeah, what you got to remember that he's a comedian. The funny thing is that we're canceling all these people who are Comedians, yet we are not really batting an eye out on people who are not particularly comedian and still jumping up and down and doing things that they're not supposed to be doing, you know, whether they be in the public eye or whether they are politicians or fucking media per se. And you know, there were not really holding them. Yeah, count any stages at all. Yeah, any stand so it's kind of a double standard which which actually makes me wonder is the fact is a lot of that actually drive by the media. Is the agenda that's pushed by the media, because if you really think about against the culture, you look at who is really, I've guarded from the cancel culture. You know, it's the is the once again, the network TV's and all this stuff. You know that one is seven one percent, yeah, the one percent of the one person. And despite the like, despite the fact that how all the big movement happening in particularly the entertainment industry in regards to me, to movement that was governed fantastics, you know, but it didn't really it didn't really do a lot. That makes sense. You know, a society it looks like a Duta. Well, it's somewhat cleaned out of corrupt and dirty industry, but it's it's effects on society of still seem to be reason with, I guess, or you were so yet to really see real change right as well. I hope even yeah, yeah, I hope we see a change on that, butfinitly shift way, even if you go back ten or fifteen years, like gay marriage was only a few years ago, but I think that was twenty sevene in Australia. Like that's it's like such a foreign concept,...

...like twenty seven eight. It's like man, that's three yea. It's like it's a it's absolutely yeah, it's absolutely prettily like you think about. I guess there's definitely progress. I just wonder how much of it is natural progress of humankind and how much making a difference because we are trying to push for this change. Yeah, what, technology is accelerated so much. Hasn't that like? It's definitely no surprise that we're advancing like the way we are. Well, that's exactly that's exactly right of being able to talk to so many people all of a sudden makes a different and being able to push those courses. And you know, the latest example of that is the push, with the whole push towards global warming started from that little girl, Gretta, I think that's a name. Yeah, Gretite. So something you greted some. I mean, obviously obviously very smart parents, you know. You know, props to a little girl for being the face of it, but when my parents, yeah, they raised an until the kid, the short raison and quanting kid, and you know, obviously very smart business people as well, like you know how to market the agenda done, which is I mean if you know how to do that and if you can learn some he was going to do for her self esteem. And if he is that to give someone, even though I loved her message, to give someone that sort and I guess that's how ruthless the Internet can be, but to give someone that sort of platform and yeah, it's just it's I don't know, I don't know about that. And then it takes it away. The Internet takes it away intern it doesn't you, dumps you in a day. It's underfeted, as they say. You know, it may give you the fame, it gives you, you know, put you on the imparting like the top of the fame chain, food chain, and then the next day prop you down to absolutely no way. You know. Yeah, and for you know, one day your Britney, space from two, in the next day space for aousand and seven. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, same can be even said Justin baby obviously Kinda West like Kim Kadesh in the seven examples of equal that of their you know, the and Justin Babis was really interesting because he's only slightly older than us and it came around the time that we were his age, like he's I think he's born in ninety four. So we were in your right in unite and he was really popping off and so we kind of got to see that from how, I guess, firsthand experience being, you know, of that age and of that era and to see what he's doing with himself now is really cool, but he went through some fucking from deep waters. That's the only problem with the cancel cure. So many problems with that's the main thing, man, like if you if someone does something bad enough to say, okay, you can't be working for this company anymore, I don't want you as a represent if I totally understand, but we got to just be careful ruining people's careers. We got to be careful doing that sort of thing because, like if someone does do a black face when they were a teenager and their forty years old now, and society at that, at that time in history, wasn't so it wasn't such an issue, for better or for worse, and people were doing it very consistently on television and that sort of thing. So I'm still very even though I've the some of the things even about Ellen that I've heard, and not good, but at the same time, like, should she really lose her job? Like I think if you live in a world like that, man, that's dangerous and that's staying. That's maybe what's Covid has brought on and maybe that advancement in maybe covid sped that sort of thing up. I mean, cancel culture has existed for a while, but it's yeah, it's starting to getting nasty now, which it always has. I don't know, I don't think it's fair. I don't like cancel culturing that sense, because I remember Kevin Hart got from the global what was it? Good Academy Awards us. Yeah, that, I mean, he's obviously just I mean, or it was, because, yeah, Academy and was God, I was happy about the the reason being, reason being when he said something, you know, back then he was a completely different person, just like how in Australia game marriage you only became legal, you know, two thousand and seventeen before that. You know, now it's just normal and it's view. He's also being comedian and he was also saying it in a certain context and he said it at a certain period of time and that it was certainly not meant to cause offense. Obviously that doesn't matter. If you say something, you have to live up to it. And he apologized. But then the situation with that one, who is they kept wanting him to apologize and they're like he talked about it personally like this opportunity to host the Oscars. That's what I've dreamt about as a kid. Like this isn't just a career aspiration. This is like what me and my grandma can share an experience over this, because we used to watch this together and that happened and I'm like, yeah, fuck this, I mean that's why. That's why there was the lowest ratings ever this year, because people just like no, this is nonsense. Bring any dead. So I say, yeah, he's the best, right. He's another guy, thinked from in with like the likes of Jim Jeffries and the bill bows, Oh my, and he's literally made up film career or himself. He just directs his own movies and produces them now and he's Kila called right, and the end is the camp culture is. When you're that kind of person, the against the culture can't really touch you because, yeah, you abolutely created a whole industry around you. So, yeah, and you I reckon you're doing. You're being a good person of vast majority of the time as well. If someone's a Dick, you know they're addictive. Someone's a good...

...person, soon we're all human beings. You can cut them some slack. That's what that's what's so dangerous about the cancel culture. But yeah, again, I'm just rehashing what I said before. Kind of said I actually had a theory down the day and I was talking to one of my housemates and I was saying, Hey, so few years ago, at a Halloween Party, I painted my face as white for yeah, as a German, that yeah, yeah, right, and I would say, okay, does that mean that was racial appropriation, but cultural appropriation, because I definitely right. I wasn't even in the fly. I dressed up, as you know. I painted my face white face. Or isn't that racist and the like? No, it's not racist because you're punching up. I'm like, motherfucker, you break telling me that I'm punching up. No, it should be racist. My faith white. You Know Me. Yeah, TV, take that. Holy say it was. He didn't think it for good, but you know, it's pretty funny. It's cancer culture. It's okay to paint your face white. My problem is, why is it okay? Yeah, if it's not for me okay for a white person to paint their face black, because black face, why is it okay for me to paint my face white? As and dress up as a joker, because that should be cultural appropriation. Because but then if you say that, if it's, you know, performance and culture, cultural appropriation doesn't apply because I'm punching up, that means you think that I am suppressed and anything I'm not your need to mean that you are being racist. Yeah, I feel like we need to even the blame field there. So for it out there this. If I'm racist, I should be canceled. Same thing with other well, it's that's and that's. Yeah, that's the old adage, man, it doesn't. It's the what Martin Luther King said. We shouldn't be judged by the car of our skin, but the character of our heart. You know, and I guess that. I guess the play not devil's advocate, but to provide a different perspective to that one. You can obviously discuss the history, the long winded history of oppression for the you know, for the African American community in particular, where a lot of where Hollywood is based, in a lot of sensors within that culture. So that's the big example that we all kind of hear of. And you know, they had hundreds of years of slavery so you can say, Hey, you know, we can do it the other way around because we didn't go through it, and I understand that too. But at the end of the day, a qualities a quality and to be equal you have to treat each other equal. So if you're if you do something, and even if you are having a laugh, if people find that offensive or then just don't do it. It's got to work both sides. Doesn't just somes that. We even have to distinguish it, man, but at the same time, then I you know, I haven't. It's a lot of people still need to, because you do still talk to a lot of people who have. They might say jokes or and I'm not saying this very house, Madam he's a good dude for what you told me, but I've known people who I liked or new of anyway, and then they said something as a joke in a, you know, very like non harder way by make all for you to say that like. So it's definitely a real thing, but I would never be a racism device like that's no chance. But we have to we just have to be smarter about our resolution. Like it can't just be okay, we have to suppress these people now and bring these people up. It doesn't work like that, because then you're just history repeating itself. We can bring these people up without putting another people down. Education is beautiful kind of playing fields in the one. Education is the way to go. Education, education, and let people stump on that. fucking that little segment there. But I was water education. You thro shit all long enough, Matt Salmon Sticks something stinking back to bring you back to the coronavirus situation. Now talking about obviously we know that coronavirus started in China and with let's talk about what China has been doing, what's been what's it's been busy doing? Right, China, China. I understand that this is, you know, this is this is a dangerous territory because, you know, China kind of controls a lot. Yeah, but there's a lot, a lot, of a lot of Chinese people out there, too much. So tread lightly. Yeah, that's exactly right. Nothing against Chinese, because I like Chinese people. Right there. There's no racism bit, but it's it's it's more so their government structure that I have things like. That's definitely the most definitely. So they've got went while every the world, breast of the world, has been suffering because coronavirus started in China and thence and then they basically hid it from the hold the entire word, just to leave cheaping out be ten seconds. I noticed when before, when I was talking about like not putting down China, but when I was saying things negatively against China, it felt like I was treading on waters. That maybe is a bit dangerous, like I'm trying to put everyone together. But we have to be clear that when we're talking shit about China, we're talking about their leaders and there they're, they're the way they live, the way they structure their politics, not people debt. I just want to make that clear. For sure, unders and nothing against Chinese people are you know, it's really, really hard to...

...just differentiate between that. But then again, it's like how we talked shit about trump, will get it about American. That's not one again. But then again, some Americans are complete dickheads, an idiot. So we can talk about those people. Yeah, because you know, especially the ones that who say this is America, why do I need why do I why can't I have guns? Shut the fuck up. Yeah, so that's a whole other especially another one. Right, but talking about China right, not talk my Chinese people, talking about Chinese government and how the structure works. Yes, so they started they heated from rest of the world and because China is saw closed door, and there were some people who were disappearing. They were literally doctors who disappeared, there were people who were whistled, Lords disappeared and some people, you know, all of a sudden commits suicide. So this they way chat before. Yes, they had, and I don't know how much for quinctidance this see is they had over twenty me and active uses stop using their accounts like sort of around February. Over twenty men or active us this year. So that could be displating all accounts from sure, but like that's there's no way. The numbers are what they are. Like I don't want to get into the conspiracy game, but that's one that I would dig dig for for sure. There's no way there's been three or fourzero deaths like this. That's just no one hundred but one hundred percent. I mean you look at okay, let's look at the coronavirus case in the government. Yeah, the world has an health organization. Who why the usually they've got it all laid out pretty well, the different countries and regions. And that check on India too. I know that went going too too good, not too longer, and saying their numbers roll, you know, confirmed cases of China to eighty fourzero seventy eight thousand of them, who recovered only fourzero six hundred thirty four deaths, which and you know they only had hundred twenty seven new cases. So from but it seems like even the China's population, because now you gotta remember that whole curve. The you know, everyone thinking flattened the curve is actually a pretty poor pretty poor statement or pretty poor way to show what the number of the cases, because you got to remember that bad lattened the curve. Yeah, it's not really taking into account the amount of people per capita. It's only going off how many cases that's coming up. So all of a sudden, where it seems like Australia, Australia Scrub is really high, you know still this carver is below or you know, China's cup is low because you know, even though they have like ball first of all they occur, is really low and we're not taking into account the fact that when you have a hundred twenty seven cases per population that they have, the China has, that's like nothing. That's what that's problem solver. Right, what are you guys doing? That's problem solved. Present Melbourne has just just to just to put that in perspective, Melbourne has six million people and I'm pretty sure China has ups or billion people. Yeah, you know, almost like tenzero cases like that right. Yeah, melbourn. Well, you know today Melbourne had six hundred cases. Yeah, China had hundred twenty seven. The whole country had a hundred twenty four cases. Yeah, just put in protective that's a whole another round. Like they've solved the problem, they've got it over done with. What makes me wonder is what makes me question the whole sun situation is the fact that how is how did this all wire start, and particularly in this place, you know, China, where everyone is so put like, you know, squeezed together and the population is humongers. And if the virus is spreading so crazily up here in Melbourne or anywhere in Australia and everywhere else, how did they get over the problem so quick? So that's what makes me wonder maybe they did engineer the virus because now that they've solved the problem, while everyone else is suffering and their economies are taking the dive, China is busy working. While everyone's focus was away, they took over Home Kong and put in putting new yet putting new laws in place, and I can't remember exactly what law it was, but I remember reading about it. It was something to do be that they can prosecute any any person who is originated from Hong Kong, doesn't matter where they are, doesn't matter where we're that the cities and off. So that's crazy. So if I was the person whose parents was from Hong Kong and I live in Australia, something I don't know exactly law, so don't quote me on it, but it seems like they can pro prosecute me despite the fact that I'm Australian citizens. Yeah, yeah, that's just insane, isn't it? And that's that's kind of like probably as deep, and that's that's kind of the conspiracies the easy word to use, but it's not a conspiracy and I guess that's the angle that people are going to want to look at once with kind of passes because it's really hard to invest a lot of time and money and resources into the issue of what the situation is going on in China, how easily they've recovered from it and everything else. While you're going for it. You've got obviously figure it out yourself. But I think that's something we're really going...

...to look back on and I'm sure there's going to be some map. You just hope it's nothing catastrophic, but there's going to be some real changes to the world, particularly politically, and you've already you can already see it a little bit with how how easy it is to get certain products in and out of China and Australia like let you know already. It's already starting to happen. So they're already stilent withdraw Australia became a part of that. Not sure. I wouldn't say legal proceeding, but it's an in government investigation into the handling of it in China, so that it'll be interesting to see what happens there. But undoubtedly it's shady as to do you think it's more? What's your heart tell you about it? Do you think it's do you think it was actually engineered over there, to think they they filled it around with it more than they're letting on. I think there's definitely something more going on in China. It was. If there's a fact that China is not even testing, not even bothering, that's pretty UNHUMAN, unhumane right to their own people, right, if China's not even testing and they've still got the problem, that's pretty inhuman. But something tells me there's more to the story, and they has to be, because how could a country like China, who is doing exactly what they're doing, and have a hundred, twenty seven cases in a day in a such a huge population where, you know, per country like Melbourne, which is all like sorry about, you know, country like Australia and a place like Melbourne is, you know, is struggling. So it really makes you wonder. And you know, China doesn't have the resources we have now. They do in a weird way, but they don't know they don't have the scale of resources. Is Because, let me put it this way, China is doing exactly what America is doing twenty years ago, but they're doing it better because they know they've learned from America's mistakes. Yeah, so they're not pulling it out there. They're not. They're not what the US took pride in almost vote like vocalizing their control and their power. Whether China is definitely out that. HMM. So they're playing the they're playing the they're playing a whole the game, which is which is problematic because right now the whole world is suffering. So it just makes me wonder, is it possible that they could have orchestrated it all? So that's definitely a question. I mean, I hate to be the conspiracist, but it just makes you wonder. It's I mean it's a question. It's a proposed question that do you think that it's possible that China had something to do with the creation of coronavirus, because now that I look at what China is doing now, based on what the rest of the world is going through them, if you look at America, men, they're they're so sti. So far gone. I mean they had like let me think of the cases in America right now. Yeah, yeah, there's is. They've obviously very much clear to be the highest in the world now. That's why I was curious to see if India had that sort of escalated to that level. But even case by case, I think they've got well over me and our like the flower alone in California alone, have several under them. I did states. United States has got four point, four point five fifty eight millions cases. Yeah, and they're having, you know, roughly averaging at sixty sixty eight thousand cases, sixty five cases a day. Yeah, and you know they've got hundred and fifty four thousand deaths. I'd be interested just how many tests have done. There's a look at that. I remember how long ago was it I was listening to I was listening to sound, I can't reason name, on Rogan's podcast and they looked at a couple of jails in the US and they saw that the percentage of inmates that had it at a couple of certain jails near hot spot areas or states will really high. So they're thinking with the amount of people that are getting in that sort of situation, the estimates of how many people would actually have it would have to be tend tenfold. You imagine the amount of people that just don't want to get tested or don't need to get tested or just haven't like you'd think that number would have to be a lot higher. Well, that's exactly right and it just makes you wonder how many more people have it, because at the rate of which this is spreading, the point it's just like the whole situation is ye, go ahead, go ahead. So right. It's like anything, like when I look at that China situation, like any situation, you have to be rational about it. If you think about, like a movie, the difference between a good and a bad movies the ones that can piece things together and if there's a whole missing, if there's a plot hole missing, well then the movie is going to be Shit's the same with if you look at this situation of trying to like things just don't add up, man, like this, this gaps, like it just doesn't. It just makes you wander man, turns you into a bit of a conspiracy theorist because of that, like it just doesn't, it doesn't add up. Well, that's exactly right. And you know, I know a lot of Australians are pointing fingers at the Australian government. I mean, look what, most governments are doing the best they can because they're not really much as I I want to think that most governments are trying to stay away from political agenda as much as it's hard. You know, it's almost impossible not to. You know, it's almost impossible to do that. But they I feel like they're trying their best, you know, and...

...because, keep in mind most of these government or political leaders their kids live in the same country. So yeah, yeah, I remember that. You know, they're not really. I like to think most people aren't evil. I think some most people are just not. You know, most people are just dumb. That's probably a fact, like but I think it's most people are able. But is to those people gravitate towards politics? Like is there a higher percentage than the regular populsation in something like politics? That's exactly right. I mean I think it makes sense. Often people who might be you know, who might may have a more of a devious personality, manipulative, manipulated personality, may lean towards such rules in power and may see I got more power. I guess that would make sense. So so, just looking at some of the stats. So you've got us at what, like I said, for four millions, four points. It commility cases, total death, a hundred fifty five k. you've got total recovered, which is pretty good. Active cases. Total test done in America is at Fiftie s seven million tests. Okay, says fifty seven me. And out of how many, did you say four point five that got it. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I mean that's still pretty insane. Yeah, mist definitely most deftly. So you just trying to average that across the the country. So if there's three hundred and fifty million people that live in the US, you know you could guess anywhere from thirty five to fifty million people that have it, but you actually wouldn't. You wouldn't. Yeah, that's that's not because that's just theoretical. Yep, the best way to look at it is death by a million people. Yeah, definitely a million people. Is For us is four hundred sixty nine people, forming people, and that's that's where that flawed system is with the curve, because it doesn't take in the consideration the total amount of talking. I guess if you leave in certain states, I'm sure, like you, it's not just a country thing like that. Such a big country and unlike Australia, where size wise we're similar, they've got so many different little hot spots and obviously big cities, but also little cities as well. Like they've got and a fifty states. They've got a hundred and fifty thousand little places, you know. So there's so many more chances. You know, you're not going to get copied it up on Little Rue, I don't think. But you might be right. Maybe that's the plan for the future. I don't know. I think it's important to keep in mind that American population is under educated as well. Yeah, they're not very they're not very savvy whether Australia has much more educated population, and I don't necessarily mean how many people proper capital have completed high school. I mean they've got, you know, deer I say, or through. The people just have more common sense. It's just because how America has it's GOUSE. America had really good luck in the earlier years. So they're people are don't really need to use common sense or Hidwak press. They just had smart people. Savages to the men. They weren't. They weren't afraid to people. You know, people talk about how bad the English monarchy were and some of the things they did, but the US, I mean they had civil war in their own country for a reason, like they were just, you know, venomous. They just didn't care. Well, that's exactly right. So America has had few good years, had some golden yes, but behind it, which is why American population is probably not that savvy. That's why you see all the Karen's coming out of exactly even think about like the education system over here. Man, like if you you almost absolutely have to go to year ten. If you don't, either you're in a situation where you live in the housing situation where you've had to be removed from your parents or you're really, you know, not doing the best all. There's some few examples of people that shoe something at that age, but you have to go to Yar ten at least before you can leave. Over there, I don't think that's the case. I don't think there's as much. I mean, there's obviously a lot more people too, but I don't think there's the same sort of pressure to be educated, even to it you your ten level. Men like I might not seem as much, but you could definitely tell the difference, you know what I mean. So it's tricky one. It's a tricky one, but I think that's got to do big part of it. It's just, yeah, the quality of the education, I'm sure's the same. Yeah, and that's right. I do think. I do think it's a lot to do with it, a lot to do with the fact that it has that common sense sort of scenario that's missing American population because, like you think about the whole thing, about just know, even understanding the gun laughing, you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean this struggle, still struggling to understand the whole gun law situation, let alone anything else. So it just makes you realize that where their heads are. So and you obviously know a bit about the constitution over there too, I'm sure. Yes, like that was, you know, written. I think it's the second amendment that all, all citizens have the right to bear arms. But that's, you know, obviously based on a time where the only way you got stuff done was by physically, you know, going there and threatening someone like that. Violence was a real friggin issue, like it was a real thing, and...

...that a lot of their life and a lot of their policies. Their rationale is. Now it's in the amendment, you can't touch it. Well, dude, that that was written at a time where you literally was written for Feverans of ink, like we're got to it's two thousand and twenty now, baby, let's get roll and and I think that's part of why they're as a their their rank, like they're really going to come out of this stuff more than any other big country like this is where, Tucker, I think that's want Chinese doing what they're doing right. That's exactly right. I think I'm the country that has suffered the most in this whole scenario is no one is by far. Yeah, and not just physically with the numbers, but in terms of the they obviously had. They had to pro test and everything gone to but that's unfortunately almost been put aside just because of how just to the client of their overall their population and just their culture, like it's staff. You know, it's time you look at you look at once again, you look at the kind of cases that's coming out of there and look at them. Lock Up, looked on laws and all that stuff. I mean, you know, you just got to show you and you look at you look at what has, you know, other premier done here in Melbourne and then we started in March, but our lockdown started in March. We had less than tenzero cases in the country. They saw a spike, they acted over there. Obviously the political system is different, but they didn't wait until about the same time. But their coronavirus started spreading three months earlier. So like they're yeah, and now they're like trump's definitely the blame for it too, but now they just can't even get anything past. Everything in parliament gets pushed back because there's the Democrats and there's a publics we have the two party system over here, but there's just so much like and that's where a lot of them, that's where most of the bullshit stems from his politics and so many people are invested in it and that's what almost like filling the void for education in a lot of ways they weren't taught these things. This common sense when a politicians saying these things, are promising you this and that and you should kind of know, like hey, maybe this, you can't really deliver on that because it doesn't work that way. People don't know because they're not educated enough. They they didn't they didn't go through enough schooling, or there was you know, they were focusing on the wrong things. That's the problem. Maybe we've Hollywood a little bit and Holly Wood. It's its own Ento the and I don't want to. At the end of the day, man, I love my TV and my love my movie, so I don't want to always be whack in Hollywood like they're. They're mate like without them, like. There's so many great experiences in life that you can based off that sort of culture, but to base your fabric, the fabric of their nation, of a lot of that sort of thing. It's it's obviously shows. It shows kind of a it's a tough lesson for them to learn. Well, that's exactly right. I mean, you talk to American people online and they're just understand. See what once again, I feel like I'm what's it going? Targeting too much people understure. As I said, I'm not I may be generalizing here. I don't want to generalize, but I'm just talking about you know, there are people out there who America jumping up and down because they want it to have to wear masks, you know. I mean, then again, there's people in Australia doing is this every other people people like then or everywhere? But I think there's just probably more in America because the population is bigger. I don't know what the reason is, but it just seems to be the case. Now, moving on from that, I'm in India. Has talked about India is got one point six four million cases and they're averaging at you know, so they've got thirty FIVEZERO deaths and they've got total recoveries very good. And their death per million people is that's actually not bad. That's where it really million people is twenty six. Okay, another we're on a bit bit of a bad trend for while. So that's good to hear that the numbers of maybe bottomed out or the top of it, that they send to me a country that's a lot more willing to work together than the US. That's for sure. What exactly right? But then again, and their tests are total festival. So their total test is, I mean not incredible. They've total test is one eighty million. Yeah, that's nothing. Yeah, that's very low percentages, isn't it? Many tests, many deaths and cases have not been reported. In that situation, what Recu ry? Yeah, I mean they're still trying. I guess that's you got to give it to them. But you know, then again, they've have issues as well. Yeah, Chunder an India I share a similar sort of structures. They have a obviously a very prominent and strong lower class, they have a very prominent and strong upper class, but they don't have that middle class that the US and a lot of English, most theer you're not UK countries, pretty much even island and us over here in these eleven, so many countries in the world have that middle class that, for so many reasons, help keep that society and helps separate that divide and people tend to get along a little bit better. But when you've got such a big gap and it's that's where it becomes difficult, whereas I think it trying to obviously communism promotes that. In India's just sheerly so many people. It is just well, that should many people, unfortunately. I mean you in India. Obviously hard work is, I think all you just want the lottery. That's hard. It is, and the same thing that I can backiston. That's a fort it is as well. Yeah, so talking about and then moving on from that, you've got Brazil at Domsi struggle. Brazil is like the second work on the US, I think. Yeah, two point six million people, two point six million cases. Second in the you know, second highest number of cases. Ninety one persant, which is more, which is...

...more per? I think that's yet. So that's way. NIC's not more than per. It's actually blow us. But keeping yeah, it's below us, except for thirty, four hundred and thirty million, four hundred, thirty deaths per million people. And then they have done they have conducted total fifty two million tests. So once again poor, poor effort on how many tests they've done. But then again, I guess this whole resourcing, that's when it comes down to. Yeah, that's what I come down to. So look, you know, you look at all these numbers, and now I want to see what number China is at right on number of like a number of thirty and everything else. Have you had a covid swap done at all? Have you had a test done at all? I haven't had it done. I remember that they cost money at all. I think money I was making going together done. But someone said you only need to get it done. You have to get it done if you have symptoms. said the way to you. Otherwise they turn me away because they have so many people showing up to get tested. That's right. And also, if you're a symptomatic. Yeah, you're essentially don't pass the virus down because it's just not a living organism in your body anymore, and that's that's been shown through multiple studies as well, and that was the big controversy behind keeping kids out of school. They're worried about kids transmitting it. And Thankfully, im imagine this was a thing that really started and you never know what can happen. This thing is already darted and move so much, but imagine, you know, children were on that sort of list like that. Probably would change a lot of people's attitude too. But that's a good thing about this virus anyways, that, if you I is a symptomatic. So it is present in your body, but it's not it's not causing you any harm, then you're probably not going to spread it to anyone else. So that's why they're obviously not just making it. Otherwise everyone would just get sent one in the mail. I'd imagine like that they'll be that much supply and demand for it. You figure it out, I guess. Maybe because I know there's a few days. That's the only problem with it still now, as you've got to wait a day or two to find that results. If you get a quick test that that would probably help a lot more people go and get it done to if you could find out in twenty minutes to go have a coffee, come back and you know then that probably probably not going to have a coffee cause you've got it. But maybe drive from a mask. Yeah, go for a walk, isolated walk on the beach. But all that's a topic. What are your thoughts on closing beaches? Careful, buddy, careful, I mean I might be maybe taking away the stillion right there. Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't look I think. I think we should just do what's required to keep each other safe. Yeah, I mean it's really shitty. I mean, I would like to be at the gym because I think Jim's are essential. I keep saying that because I think Jim's are related to mental health, like you know, at least for me, exercisement and exercises massively related to you know, I guess when you're closing down everything else, they can make sense to close that Jim's down as war. But you know, I just in New South Wales, in Sydney. There they're closing down the twenty four hours Jim's doing the function doing stuff. I was or something like that. Yeah, and you know, for the first time in human history where churches, so places where people can practice, have religion, practice religion, have been closed or temporarily closed and there hasn't been a direct war from that direct conflict. It's happen in the Middle East. That happened throughout history where you took people's right to practice religion freely away and then things blow up. That happened civil war as well. So that's pretty interesting and that's because everyone kind of realizes this is the thing that we all just need to sacrifice a little bit long and my only argument with the beach is one. You're in the Sun. There's been heaps of heaps that's been said about covid not doing as well in the sun. That's not so much of a great argument because you're kind of in the sun everywhere, but you're in the elements, are in the Envirolenx, you're directly on the heat. Anyone who lives or goes on a beach noses our hot to say. I can get that's definitely one. Two is you can it's a very easy place to socially isolate and be one point five meters away from people. It's, you know, it's such a large surface area. And three, it's just it should just be like anywhere else. If you're able to go to the shopping center, which I know is essential to I think beaches should be made should still be allowed to be open, because for me it's more common sense than anything. Then you can go there and not be near other people. Obviously, then people would have to come in and watch and make sure people aren't to get a at the end of the day, like I am never gonna this is kind of I guess where my divide will come into. It is I I am not going to let you take away everything. You kept that. You can never let anyone take away all rights. And you might say it's just a beach. Man, the beach is more than just a beach. So that's where I kind of put my foot down a little bit. Well, I agree, I get where coming from. My only concern is is, what if the beaches were originally open, if you remember, but what happened was people just flocked to the bases. Course, because it is not. I think it's open right. Yes, that's a little bit of a prose and...

...a cond yeah, and that's problematic and I feel like that's problematic. And I feel like when you say it's okay for only some people, it's never going to be just some people. It's going to be everyone going to the beer. Yeah, the only thing to do. And, like I said before, it be in many previous episodes. It's I feel like a lot of people think that we are very unique, and I feel like I want to. I just really believe that all of us are way similar, that we actually think the way sti think, yeah, yeah, it's beautiful because, yeah, yeah, yeah, we we. You know, I can assure you. To me and you well, you and I know, because we think alike, because we are. That's why we're friends. But the person next to me doesn't think that different from what I do. You know, we have the same needs. We had seen psychologically. You may think that you're special, but you're not, because I'm special. So your specials. Everyone is special, so that means no one special. So that's that's a really interesting when it's so. That's what I'm saying. So when the you don't everyone people same and for me also like the beach in the gym and not the same thing. If you're going to have levels of restrictions and lockdown, like if you're going to take away being allowed to go to the beach, like a real basic freedom, like walking the street. You've got, you've got to show me more than four hundred and fifty people per me in passing away from it like that might be that might be harsh and that might sound crazy. And I don't mean go and open nightclubs, don't get me wrong, but I would be a little more reluctant. We would not want the numbers to get to that stage, but if the numbers did get to that stage because it was found that all these people getting sick and dying from going to the beach, then maybe that's the case. Yeah, that's a bit of a controversial one because then it's like well, Hey, we're in the prevention business, we want to stop people getting sick, of course, but you and you can't. You just have to go through you have to be a student of history sometimes and go back through throughout history and seeing when things of when control has been taken away from the people and never really goes back. And this is obviously different example because it's a virus that's killing people across the world. But I think just deep down like this kind of one thing that I'm even if I'm a little bit irrational with it. It's kind of like one of those things where I'm pretty pretty I just willing to argue most people with it, even if they're more educated than I am. I'm willing to play the common sense card with that one. Get where you were coming from and it's a mental health thing to men, like something how to get out of the house. You know. Well, that's it. I think you think, well, if you're going for a walk, you should able to go to the walk for a bit and I feel like where you live is probably should be fine. It would be a horn in each year is different stories, so I can story, but I feel like if you did that in Sydney, I do feel like that would have been problematic. Yeah, unique per se. You know, Buddy Bondo beach, like the first day the said people don't get that we don't want to ban it, but we just can't hit. And then the next day forty zero people. It's like you absolutely imbeciles. Now that's like I ten percent of those people would have been there to get their last swimming because I know it was going to happen. Sure not even cent of people there top stop ship anyway. Well, that's that's control. What I like. What to worship? Propics don't worship our beautiful current here in Melbourne. So the government has said put on the fucking mask because they're less les. Chances are you'll spread lesson virus if you have a mask on. which kind of common sense right, makes sense? And this this lady, and in fact few people have jump up and down, have sort of abuse police and abuse staff at different places and saying, well, they're not going to put on a mask because they have a that's their right as a person to not to wear a mask. Now, I do have a problem with that. Is because my problem with that is what right like? What do you how is that affecting any of your human rights? Kind of situation? You know, I think if anything, you're impacting. You're the one who is actually should be. In fact, dare I say, I would label them as a terrorist. Or actually, esome, let's not get crazy. I hear what you mean with this. Is Looking this is a state of to terrorism. Is Blowing set it up or you know. Well, I think tells them is actually something like what it was, something to all this mighty want. They'll terrorism than I like. Yeah, yeah, it just cold terrors, a word is so strongly embedded with emotion that it's think. I think the the word terrorism comes from terror, the causing, the emotion of I'm not exactly sure, but something to do with dangering or threatening social structure or something like that. Yeah, here we go, I've got it here. So just on on good old fashioned Google. The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. And that's terrorism. That's more of a that's more of a social meaning than an actual legit meaning of the word. That's not a dictionary means textual. But yeah, it's causing harm to other people, which sor right? If you cough on someone's face, man, you're going to get arrested. Like. So I understand the mask thing...

...for sure, for sure, and I think that's what I mean. That's why I think could you lie like Ye, think that's pretty you know. So they're being pretty dangerous there. So, and they're jumping it up with the my my, you know, my rights and stuff. So that's kind of a whole of dodgy situation, not talking about I've got a question for you and actually is not mentioned it. I don't know if you heard about up three women, women who snuck into Melbourne and not back into Queensland and started the coronavirus there again and like to the like, to the cops like that, croids a lie like all facing five years possible fires. Yeah, what do you think about that? Yeah, so play it out for me a little bit, little bit more detail, but I think I know what you're saying, like I think I've read, I've heard this one. But what? What? What happened? What did you do? So, three girls from Brisbane, I think they're from Brisbane. I don't know the complete story because, like you know, you know how I know, the media doesn't really tell the complete right. Yeah, you've got to pay seven dollars month to say they're broken. Business model is catching up with them. That's exactly right. Running out of money. Roughly, I think. Three girls somehow, for some for some old reason, manage to sneak into Melbourne. Don't fucking know why, because what would you come to Mama? There's nothing going on, you know. So I mean Melbourne, a beautifully beautiful place. Only come here when there's no coronavirus. Come here, but then there's no coronavirus at the moment. is nothing going on. So they came here and they let's not mention these girls even I so you can. This is the Daily Mail dot dot co or through Newscom Dot A. You. So this is not directly of us, but Mrs Zos the SEC and a Collie Stevens. There you go, Ladies and gentlemen. Continue, sir, go ahead. Is that going under and to discrimination? What is it called? Definition law? Maybe, but I just offloaded it to Daily Mail, so it's all good. But yeah, those are the two girls. It's been reported on the media, so it's not a hidden thing anymore. So this luck into Melbourne and I'm not know what the story so don't quote me on the story yet. The point is, Nick, they were in Melbourne and they yet the corner virus. They went to Sydney and then snuck into Queensland from Sydney, some in prison, yeah, and then like the light to one boarder, supporter security and all that said, where they're being and all that sort of thing, and now they're facing possible five year prison time because they have actually spread the virus. Do I think two or three people? Member? Yep, and how many deer that to that go from there. That's how they start, isn't actually so? Yeah, I saw it a few times, like I saw the fines, I saw possible jail time. I didn't really like. For Geez, what are you going to have to just go around and cough in people's faces in the supermarkets to get jail time? Obviously you would deserve it, but I think this is a situation where you know to say to go to jail. I mean that's hard. Depends exactly what they did. We would obviously have to know more specifics, but I would a hundred percent that's this is a criminal act if you're in a pandemic, if you're going to one state lying to other people, going back to another state and you've shown that you're not just going to do it once and maybe you needed to see a relative or you can make some bullshit up say sorry, I needed to see this person. Now you've you've just done it because for the Lulls, like because you wanted to. So I think, yeah, but you know, without obviously going into too much details, I think if these girls are in some real trouble, especially with bloody cast ever navoc on it, the bloody the news host. That's what I saw on the page. So I think that's that's probably a fine example. Where these got these girls are, they're probably get shine an example of to like that happens in these sort of situations where you threatened, but you know, a penalty first certain thing, and people, particularly in a time like these, whether there's just so many people affected by it, I think you've got to you've got to face some sort of Ramaications for surely even community service like it. Catch the slap on the wrist of that one. Well, they they're going to make example out of them. There we have to big group. Yet the point is, if you look at it, and and this is coming from a Melbourne person who's living in Melbourne, why would you go to a place that's, you know, suffering, just only to why would you go into a quarantine soon? So, yeah, you only need to go back to a place like if you, I feel, from Brisbane who's just been enjoying life there. Why we do? You know, why bother? And it's yeah, that's pretty problematic. So this young immature there. Yeah, from Melbourne. Then that's change. Is the story. Then you know the I'm wondered that, says, and those the Queensland goes. So left there. Yeah, yeah, and says yeah, it seems like possible to twice. So I'd imagined that was Victoria and Queen's land twice. Does young young life. He's not. Imagine they involved about it. Like imagine they just pumped it on this stage. I would surprise be. Yeah, I could did. MMM MMM, yeah, so don't talking about talking about blogging, right, talking about dumb criminals, right, yeah, so, yes, Oh, yeah, for some people who are still unfortunate enough to have snapchat, would they said table location set on. They looking so unfortunate...

...enough to have snapchat. You would know that. On snapchat you can click, you can browse the map and see the hot spot area where activity is going on. So in Victoria, because Victoria's in lockdown, they are. was just browsing it and you just saw a whole bunch of people doing whole bunch of things, and this is have their location turned on and everything for everyone to see. Public Image and then and I was like, well, these are these guys, a bunch of fucking idiot. And then I continue watching it. There was a there was a guy who will you know? I in fact this particular one, actually one of my housemiths, were looking at I was like what a fucking idiot. This guy had stacks of cash and he's like side Hustle, explanation, mark, winky face. I'm like, if you're a drug dealer, what post a picture of your stacks of cash? Yeah, and he can be the said yeah, he's the same guy like that. Would flown a watch like he works at bloody big but big w but he's got a brand new BMW, got rings and I'm sure you can guarantee he's got his fucking location turned on. I'll tell you that much. Right, a fucking idiot, I mean criminal, are you? That's actually what's has the drug business. God, what's going on there? Hopefully, actually they's good, honest, hard working people are doing around and they must take it a real here. I see drinks gone up. I know alcohol and take in the US has gone up, even though things are closed. I'd imagine it's probably the same over here. I would say so. I actually think I was thinking about thinking about this that the day I said did the be alcohol business got up or down? And I would say it went down in Australia because, yeah, the fact that people are buying so much alcohol, the mass majority of that, that big chunk would have been consumed by people, don't ends? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel lucky. Wouldn't gone down? You think so? Yeah, you think so. And and I know the US, like every service station has a bottle shop, every every gas station, every there's a bottle shop everywhere. We have a we have a lot over here, don't get me wrong, but it's such a commercial business that most of the liquid lands that are shopping centers and those sort of things. So it doesn't surprise me in the US that is going up, though, and hey man, these are all things that are contributing to the people passing away like it is. It is the tistics. It's not a complete plaked statement, but people that have previous morbidities, who have type to be diabetes, who are obese, who have various ailments, these are the ones that are that are passing away more eagerly. So it's it's no surprise that and it probably explains a lot of their issues anyway. You know, just like it would was straight. That's exactly right and I think there's a lot that can be said about that. I think it's important to if you head up and have that sort of tried to aim for a healthy lifestyle. I mean not that more for any takeaway in exercise. And you take away exercise, baby or now we're getting my deep waters much. There were a deep waters and they only had, we tell you, theirselves up. I think if you were taking away exercise, most people would just work out at home. I guess if you think when we go out now, I mean if it got really bad, I don't understand, but I don't think it's that bad that you say don't even leave the house. Yeah, as opposed to be trained six days a week. I can tell you I did one home workout. I did two home workouts in two months. I mean I took my dogs for a walk, I went out, but actual rule workouts where I sat down, music on, I was hitting meets with my buddy. Might have been three times. So I had to still go into the gym. I was lucky enough to have to have keys and a close business. I was doing maintenance at the gym and I was still able to go in. That's my only way of getting enough ways. You know, it is difficult to and this might be something I can sign off with a little bit of my ends. Like at home workouts don't have to be scary. It doesn't have to be a whole bunch of things you have to do. When or how? What equipment do I have to get? Man, if you get a Yoga Matt, if you've got a carpet, if you've got some beats and you know how to do a verb, you know how to do a push up, you can get some shit done. So you know it can be done. It just meet we have to get to a stage now where we realize it finally has to Friggin sink in, and I'm talking myself more than anyone, that this thing is not an overnight sensation. This thing is going to still affect we're probably not even halfway through this thing. I'd say. You know, yeah, that's true. I think, I. E. faction, because herd immunity would take yeas. Do you think a vaccine is probably more likely eventually? I think the vaccine is probably the only way we'll get through this. But then again, how long? How long till everyone is vaccinated and how the vaccine is going to work with there, because there's two ways. There saying there's two way, two ways the vaccine can go. One that, you know, you get that vaccine and then you don't actually get the coronavirus and you become immune to coronavirus. The other one is that so it's a menual. Yeah, virus voice is called. The other one is that is possible remedy to grown virus. So if you'd get the grown virus and then you get it and then so you're fine. It's like a natural immunity, and that's definitely last resort, obviously, because then you know those you're...

...really test and people's immune systems and that sort of thing where an actual rule. Yeah, you're that's a very good point. There's a vaccine that, like the flu, has it in there and it helps you beat it, and then there's a vaccine that is just like an equalizer. That's a that's I haven't thought about that. That's a really yeah. Yeah, and problem is going to remember with influence and influenza vaccine. I got influenza vaccine and I actually actually still did get sick from yeah, most definitely that's one point. Every shots man like it. I've just had too many bad experiences with it. So you feel get yeah, the fact that you have a vaccine doesn't mean you won't get sick. It just means most of the time, I'm that more typically. I think from memory. I know there's different kind of viruses. So you myth still get a virus if you have a batter up attack. But most cases, you know the vaccine will see it work and you will. They will. Yeah, they're still giving you the virus in most cases as well. So that's the big question is, like how much, if we can, you know, if we can figure out a way to minimize it, and I guess that'll be the question. Like when is the economy? When do we need to get things back up and running, and like that would be last case resort, like hey, we need to give the you this thing. Some people might pass away. Statistics have shown, and we're hoping for our betterment, that most people are going to be okay, but there is a chance. So that's where the world's going to get crazy, if it ever gets to that stage. But we just did. Then the scary parties, if you take into account the numbers and runner. I can run the numbers on that excel. Yeah, yeah, because it's run. You can project. You can project based or based or certain data and whatnot. I mean, don't do it on excel, but you could probably project. What kind of what kind of numbers are we talking for classic it Istimate? For sure, you could estimate. I'm sure they have, especially within the next half months, where more than likely, if it is what it is now, most people would have had to the test by now. So they'll kind of know how many people have got it, how many people are passing away and that sort of things. I guess, robably, wait and see. Yeah, there's another problem with the test. The problem with the test is if you get the test. Let's see, if I get the test now and I come out as negative, I can't as a person who's been tested right, and then lady cantmorrow. Yeah, catch it, I'm NA catch it. Yes, so that's the problem. Yeah, with the whole yet. So that's the challenge that I wasn't that's what it comes they also there's two different tests of this in anybody test, which is essentially testing for any residual still left in the your body. So if you've had it at one stage and there's the test to see if they're it's active. So there's actually two different types of covid tests as well. So just because, you know, if you don't have if you have the anybodies, that's really good. That means you've got the immunity to it. So you can actually track on and keep going. But if, yeah, if you don't have it will then bright, you could grow. You can push the door on the way out and get it, you know, like it's really as simple as that. Like it literally ten minutes later it becomes the test becomes bull and void. Right, well, and the next question much of the virus spreading at the test? Six? Yeah, well, that's right. I don't imagine what that must be like. Like. You think it's going to be stressful doing that. Imagine being in those massive suits and just being you probably look at people go here, Buddy, you've got codd, you've got right through, cover, right through. Yeah, scary time to be alive. Anyway, that's say. Let's wrap that and I think we'll see a baby. Yeah, one our almost the one hour fifteen minute mark. We are one point, one three. Yeah, why our sweet spot, man. 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