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Episode 14 路 2 years ago

The CDP // Ep14: Prospective, Potential & Work. 馃棟

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Whenever you're ready to any clever dummies episode number fourteen, unlocky, of course, joined here by anycw you going today. My Num Jeesus, I can happen to be talking here on this bloody beautiful the afternoon. I I am great man. I'm loving life as always and very excited to be doing this podcast. As I said before, we're back, stronger, feeling great to be back doing this podcast. Bit of a revamp, I suppose, on on a broader sense of the podcast. I guess that's for some reason. I feel like our energies are a lot higher in the second season of this clever dummies podcast. I didn't say in the second way that clever w is the second way. How appropriate, right? Yeah, hell, it very timely, isn't it? Might timely for sure. Timely for sure, talking about timely, crazy times in Victoria here in beautiful city of Melbourne. Yeah, victor the city of Queens, they call it. I think the city of Queens. And what do they call Queensland? Then? I don't know. I just make that one up as a from an outside of looking in. It's only you know. There's no way to really know. So what's it like? Being back and having to wear masks everywhere might and it. What's the second way of like, is it not that big of a deal, or is it? Does it's like a little bit? Look it definitely I think it definitely sucks because of how they are actually people passing away, and I think that sucks no matter what age. I think it's always really shitty when anyone passes away, regardless of anyone who, you know, doesn't have the opportunity to pass away from natural causes of just growing old, and it's always shit. So regardless of the fact that if it's affecting you know, certain amount of people and it's only you know, but then again, they also said like young people are getting it as well, so it's you know, young people are getting really sick as well. So it's a scary time for everyone and I think it's a scary time. You know, I'm starting to sound like Dan Andrews now, but it's because, you know, I do appreciate Dan Andrews a lot. I think is a good leader and you know, people are people have been picking at him, but I think he's you know, he's pretty good, he's honest and he, you know, them the best part about him. Do things I notice about him as a leader. When he holds press conferences, he remembers the name of the reporters and he points them out with their names, and I thought that was brilliant. Scott Morrison does the same thing as well. Yeah, and that's brilliant and I think that's pretty cool. I haven't seen many people do that, and you know, especially not trump, but he just call you, you don't matter, fake news. Next Guy it's like, oh my fat hey. Yeah, anyway, from his perspective, for you know, we talked about perspective all the time, so it's good. But now that's a fair point and like I always want those sort of people show it back by and it, to stand up and to sort of not argue but to defend positions and not be wishwashy. And I think a lot of politicians, because in the position they're in, they don't have a lot of chalk was of financial reasons, they kind of shy away from confrontation, speaking from the heart, but their injuries is like I think he speaks from the heart, so I've got to give him that for sure. I'd say. I'd say, you know, I think he's as much as he can. Anyway you will. That's it and I think listening to him, because today he got someone asked him a question. Say, would you do with the situations going on? Would you put your mother in one of the one of the what are they called Age Gere? And he said with what current situation? No, I would not put my mother in the one of those things. And then I thought that was very honest and he said, in fact, with my mother was listening to this news right now, she would be very angry that I even thought about that and I thought that was going beautiful. That him actually getting personal and which is kind of cool. Right. Obviously some of it is a shirt has claims here. Did he hear about what happened? This is you. I know there are time it's over there. I think it was early April when they first got their lockdown gone. They sent a whole bunch of elderly people to enter nursing homes and over editors and a deaths were in the nursing home. So other countries are like that's the thing with from Australia. We've been in a good position because we haven't had to go first. We were kind of recovering from the fire and by the time, you know, apparently coronavirus doesn't like fire. So when the fires, you know, this is a weird thought, but when the fires were going like a lot of countries had started getting a particularly countries that have a lot of trouble from Asia, and we have a lot of trouble from Asia. It's a beautiful thing. It's why one of the reasons why Australia's awesome because of the Asian influence. But it is what it is. It just sort of happened that way. So it was kind of like February much when it sort of came here. So I think we'll able to learn from that. So, even though we didn't have to, we had to lockdown as well. We were able to see a lot of other countries and, for example, what happened in New York. Didn't even know what happened over here. In small bunches like there are a lot of deaths that have been in nursing homes, but not really the same amount that happened in New York. So at least, you know, that's a positive Australia's still doing our right. You...

...know, it's hard to think that way, but it's sometimes it's all we can do, you know, hundred percent, hundred percent, and I think this just set the theme for the podcast today, which is prospective, and I think that's very important because, and I love this, this is how we always set the theme for the podcast. This is what the best things. I really enjoy doing this. It's it's been when you think about what kind of situation you are because I'm hearing, you know, people complaining about certain things, and don't you know, I'm there as well right I'm there as well, complaining about being in the lockdown. But my God, people are suffering right now, like truly suffering. America, you know, has always been shown as to be one of the you know, as one of the top countries, and we're dreams are made right, which is a complete PR start, may I add. Right, it's always been a PR stunt and it's always been their PR industry has been always the Hollywood industry and Australia has never had that kind of strong influence. So that's why they were able to sell. They were able to sell huge products and able to move, you know, multiple levels of products as well and sell all this infloors. The point is really, if you think about America, it's always been quite how do I put it? It's always been very hollow from the middle. I guess it's never been. It's never had the strongest of the economy or any of that stuff. And you know when, if you saw them crumble? Yeah, Hollywood, which is a you know, an economy that's based off audience and people paying to say things and putting money back into production, for example, and covid comes along, you see why they're struggling, because they're not able to match it. That's some more interesting. Yeah, but and so, but so. What America had, I guess, pretty covid is they have that influence, so they can always be seeing more important the rest of the world when, for example, you've got what's going on in India and they're kind of getting it now and we're seeing kind of the real tragedy these travesty that's gone on over there as all. So they only paying attention there because it's never did, never had the PR that America had. Yeah, and I guess everyone called America the superpower, and I mean two things America got right. The the international trade happened in the US dollars, which is we see huge links. International Trade happens in US dollars. So obviously, for people who don't know that, oil gets traded in US dollars, right, oil and some of the other commodities that actually set the same for international trade happening US dollars. So I think that's some of the things they got right, but rest of them really if you think about it. I mean they've got no health care anyway. So we're so lucky to be in Australia. Coming back to Australia, I think it just shows that, you know, we could be in much worse places, even though it's a shitty situation, but I think we're lucky to be here. I think we want a lottery. I mean, you know, most of us didn't really do anything to be in this beautiful country. So I would go far as saying we want a lottery. You know, we didn't really you know, we didn't. We didn't do anything incredible to be to deserve to be in a country like that. So I think we need to be thankful and grateful for that. Yeah, and not complain that people. Yeah, God, I've heard Gary Vasa four hundred three into one to be human. How very came out those odds. That sounds about right. weirdly enough for us to be in Australia as well, and definitely say that's amen to that, brother. That's a hundred percent the truth. So absolutely, and I don't know if you've been seeing the news of all the bloody Karen's running around, you know, yelling at clubs, saying it's my it's my right as a woman not to not to wear a mask. What is it? Fuck, you've getting a bit of text messages there. Lock with now it's just a baby monitor. So that might be a good set of it the next segment. But quickly. I have seen some videos online. You can look it up or not, and it's when some of them have gotten a bit too hands on, e. and in the face of the place offices, and they get arrested for like disturbing pace or whatever it is, whatever the lor is over there. Some of them get ranked old right, pretty iditating. Maybe you know, we'll talk of that. Maybe you should watch it. Maybe calling on it, but it's pretty editating on not gonna lie so good. Maybe that's the next podcast of like commentary or all the bloody parents love you love. Contrary, I that would be weak. In facebook. Last facebook live. I think that could be another thing that could be arm of the collaborative. Is podcast, the live commentary on videos of political issues. Yeah, don't like it set up for sure. Anyway, we have that of air and it's not even on a it's funny how we still call it on it, but it is what it is. It is a podcast were recording and people listening to say hey, like it absolutely, and I think I'm mixed recording. Most of the time we record this. I think so many podcasts get recorded in multiple takes. Most of our podcasts get recorded in a single take. In fact, all of our podcasts get recorded a single takes. So whatever we do, it's actually being recorded and we we yeah, we never edit it in case if you ever wonder that, if we're talking shit, we probably are talking shit. That's why there's a lot of mistakes.

In the last week I actually said something which I want to correct. Last week I said I read a book by Peter To, who's a who is a founder of WHO's the CO founder of Amazon? No, he's not a CO founder of Amazon, he's a cofounder of paypal. So this is a correct that. I'm not a fucking idiot. I just forgot. I listened to the PODCAST. I was like, I'm an idiot. Yes, maybe real idiot. To to do? We already talk about the website now. I'm not. I'm not sure. Okay, don't worry about that. Might. Let's see. We live busy lives, right, if you're allowed be like, if anyone's and you offer that might send them over to me about I'll have a discussion with them. I don't you worry about that nonsense. All right, on the on to the good thing. Good, next segue. How's The parent line drinking? You my, it's fabulous, Bro, like, it's obviously it. You know, right now it feels really difficult just because you kind of don't know what to do, but then again you've got to just go back and use your perspective and realize what your blessed for like and be latched on. And she's breastfeeding really well. A lot of parents have difficulty with that. She's got a pretty good temperament. She's already learning not to cry. Only went to cry obsessively when something's wrong, like is she if she needs a nappy change or if she's particularly if she's hungry, she'll cry properly, but if she's just fussy or she's got a cough or something, she'll cry in a slight different way. So she's already starting to do that, which is pretty cool. So we're already picking up on that. So we're doing our best, mate, but at the end of the day, they it's the ultimate difficulty for a reason could have come. They can turn into the ultimate you know, tryumph as well. So, but I'm good, Bro. So it's really good. We did like like we'd like. We explain the anyway, and I have explain is the talk about it in that way, like this novel way to talk about it, because I don't know my feelings. I'm still pretty numb to it. You know. I mean crying socks, but the sound, the hitch of the crying food stuff. How that's right. Leave that's I use these headphones. How are you out those getting? And Trust me, it works pretty good because I have the best partner in the world. She's she's a absolute phenomenal mum. She was born to be Amna. How she's sleeping? She's sleeping. We're given a good crack like over night times I've been keeping on iron trying to bottle feed us, so to try to give her a four or five hour window. So that's why I've been obriginally I was going a bit at like ten o'clock. Now I'm going about it like four o'clock. So it sort of changes my day a little bit, but it's it's quite interesting. So it gives her a window. But during the day can be tough because she will sometimes sleep for any forty five minutes and in that time you've got to try to get as much toff done done because when you breastfeed, when she wakes up, you need to be there with you guessed at the breast. So like you're very limited. So, but she's a savage, but she's she's wanted every time. She never drops a ball. She does want to be away from the baby for five minutes, like she's the best mother. That like it's you know, you'd have to see it to really understand it. No words can do it justice, I'm sure. I don't think I can understand this at all or begin to understand it, just because I have am not there nor experiencing enormals. And we're talking about Charlotte as an mother, not a yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hundred percent. That that I'd have to see as well, I guess. Well, that's that's incredible. I guess. Now this is not the podcast has been set the scene talking about perspective, beautiful things of life. There's something that I've been wanting to talk about. It's a very controversial topic, but I feel like I need to talk about it right. I mean, then again, the clever time is podcast. Let it be goal to controversial podcasts and you know whether if you're listening to an and this is where you you know, basically unsubscribe. Gone. But what I wanted to talk about, there's a lot, like I said before, and this and this is one of the reasons why I was kind of in a situation where I was thinking a lot about I've been thinking a lot about life and situation of the word and the universe, and and this no other way for me to actually get into this without actually giving some sort of a contact. Right. I for a very long time my only goal in life, to be it is to do something significant right, and to do something significant in a sense where I make an impact on the word that last for many, many, many years. So after I die, people still remember me as my name. Kids learned about me in history classes, whatever. Right, it's kind of selfish in a long term sense, if you think about it. But I don't necessarily want the fame per se, but I want to do something significant. But anyway. So, with that in mind, I want to what's the reason for that? Is it? It's obviously internal, but is it? It's obviously not for the money, because you're genuine about it. It's about something else. It's about like leaving a legacy, or is about making someone p like I think I was. Wasn't fish. It's probably doping me at...

...a hand whole other level. I guess people get. I remember this is this is how I this is how this is how I all got started on it. I remember I had had a major accident. I'm sure we talked about this in one of the previous episodes, and when after that accident, I remember everyone sort of just coming to be there for me and I was like, well, this feel incredible, right. I was like, Holy Shit, I'm so like I felt like I had once again won the lottery. That everyone's a you would they pretty much every you're there pretty much every day. You know, good, all messy. Shout up to me, Cher rule and nineteen, but you're nine, eighteen, yeah, nineteen, yeah, yes, and I thought of those guys as well, because there were the what you call the real age. He's here. Everyone really just making go for the be a long list that would be at least down memory, like he's you know, you know, and and I thought to myself, I was like, okay, I need to start doing and I do things. I realized and I was like many people are actually I wanted to hear this for a while, by the way. I've been wanting to talk about this for a while. And you know, Lauchlin was, you know, for people who don't know our friendship, and you know we were friends for a while before that. We met in high school, but Lacklin was there pretty much every day and like I never had a doubt that we were best friend. But that just going to just cement it that for me that I was like, well, I think we're like pretty much. You know, if there's anything I want to say blood brother, but I don't think even that even matters, because what's there's no real difference between, you know, blood brother and, you know, any sort of situation, right, it's just one of those beautiful things and then everyone's there, right. So and I learned. I was like, well, first of all, humans are really nice. We care about each other. I need to keep that in mind because much as at times people seem Shitty, they not always that shit. Right, humans are inherently nice and we care about each other. Second thing was I was like, well, I need to do something nice for people, and I started doing little things for people, and I remember it started with a Coffee Cup, right. I once we were at all your Brown in Mount Ruth, right in the back, in the back, in the days, right, and I took the Coffee Cup back to the to the person who made me the coffee and I and that person just smiled, right, and I was like, and then they were really happy because no one had ever done that. Put the Coffee Cup back. I was like, hold on a fucking minute, hold on a fucking minute, this is fucking incredible. Is this guy good? How I could pure if I do something nice when people yeah, and then all of a suddenly became about doing those things for people. But I did realize, I did realize I can't change me as a single person can't change the word. But what I what I what I decided, what I would do is perhaps change the life or one person, or two person, or maybe three, right, and those people could go on to change life to other people. That's how my that's how I started working towards and that became my driving thing, and I think two reasons. I'm driven from it. It's probably that's the only thing that actually gets me really excited, because then I'm like, Oh, maybe these selfish the fact that I think, all, you know, I'm the one who's doing this something good. You know, it makes me feel better about myself and you know, selfish as the sound. That's exactly the reason and I'm I'm sure whatever it is right. So that's really, you know, really the reason why I'm driven to do anything in life. Right, it's definitely it's not. There's no way it's selfish, Bro. It's like it's why people when, you know, when people talk about near death experiences, they talk about touching death, or even when people lose someone that they're close to, they find a certain sort of understanding within their own lives and they sort of find a little bit of clarity in certain areas and things that are important to them. And then when you said that about what you went through, it sixteen four day and you told about sort of May being there for you every day, like that something that will look back on probably for the rest of our lives and the reason why we'll be brothers for the rest of our lives, because that's, I know exactly that something you do for me. So for me to be there wasn't even a question of when, like what, how many times can I go there? It's like it's not a question of like our what day am I going to go? It's like how many times can I go? When can I fit it in, like what can I be there? You know. So, yeah, and and exactly right. And that wasn't selfish people from like yeah, that led that sort of leads to yeah, anyway, what I meant was like that's kind of, I think, where you've kind of found a lot of like you notice different things in your life. So you notice how that made you happy and how helping other people made you feel. So it's interesting that near death like that sort of brings that on with a new sense of direction. Like this just something that death that for a lot of people, just changes the way they look at a lot of things or deal with relationships or even like free paths, like I've even spoken about sorry, spoken to people that has happened to and watch a lot of Shit and one of my best mates growing up was one of those guys are the same sort of thing. It didn't happen at a gym, but it happened after your bloody party too hard and...

...try to get back to work too quickly, but that's another story for another day. He's a bad, bad man as a good like. But what do you think it is about? Death suggest it, I think. I think it's about perspective. That's what that's what it is. I think once you realize the weakness and and the and I don't say that likely when I say weakness, right taker tacause take a eighteen, I think maybe eighteen. Eighteen was like nineteen. I can't even remember how over nine and yeah, nineteen, right to here, older than me, or like yeah, it's sort yeah. So take a nineteen year old who who has been basically been sort of shorter or being found just had found out that I for you to do what I want with my life. You know, I'm fit, I'm you know, I've got the capacity to do so many things in my life and all of a sudden you're discovering so many things about yourself and the first found freedom and you will be kind of do sorry, go ahead, I'll let you finish. You feel invincible, right HMM. And when that bubble breaks with something like that, and I think you realize first of all you're not invincible and you start realizing how blessed you are to have any of that stuff because all of a sudden, when it was briefly taken away from you, for in my case it was briefly taken away from me, obviously, you know they are still things that are for example, you know where my one of my right eyes weaker than my left eye because of my surgery that I had. The point is, I don't you know, I know people who would think about that, who would go all my you know, what's the point of life? I actually realize like, Holy Fuck, I better get the best use out of my remaining I to see everything I can. You know probably people that we get a disability pension as well, but that's it. I get help topic. But now you did, you did right very like it's just it's like it awoke because we were always big dream as durable, like big trainers. In High School. We used to talk to talk, we got invested in a few things, like we dreamed about that kind of that life after high school. So when you know you're kind of just busy, bloody exploring new things and just trying to live life to the fullest every day, then it gets cut away from your hundred percent. And I think what I thought I was living the life to the fullest and I didn't actually realize until I wasn't living the life to the fullest. And what living the life to the fullest? Men, you know, and I have this thing that I always say too, and I mostly say to terrence out of hopeful appears, is your life that you're la not that one. I said it ters. Well, what it is about yellow is like, if you have one life, you better make it worthwhile. And when I say worth while, you make it worthwhile for yourself and other people. And and I always use this example, and I'd I know we mentioned this in the podcast before. When you think about your what your life has been on the past, of the memories you've had, right, you don't remember your memories as the twenty five of June, twenty five of June two thousand and three or twenty five of June two thousand and eleven. You don't remember that. You remember the days that remember that one time that we snuck out and did that crazy thing and we did this thing and we did actually and you know, we remember the time we held some old guy or whatever. Right, those are the things that we remember, you know, and I'm sure there's we've got so many stories that we remember that one pretty yeah, we don't remember the date and unless you're some psychopath who remembers exact date and the time of it, it's no, you don't write. So my day was. It's weird. Think for me, if it's related to the UFCA, I can remember the date, exact day, and then I can relate it to my life and then I can figure out what I was doing in the time. So it's a little bit it's pretty interesting. So that's not really still what you use your life, but I'm now yeah, exactly right. Well, that's that's also true in a lot of ways. So it's interesting. But wait, and there's probably some stuff that we would filter off talk about off air and then, you know, bring back on. But there's there's tapes of good memories, but I think we need to be a little bit older to talk about it. Like I think some of them are like that, you know what I mean, like I've been talk about when I was fifteen, sixteen pretty easily, but two thousand and twenty one still like our I just lived that. Those some mistakes and I think those, those memories are sometimes better left between us as well, because we got to have stuff as well, and I think those kind of stuff a really good to have as well, because you remember what not to be because, yeah, someone said, you know, everyone can show you what to be. You always got to learn what not to be, because it's a process of elimination. Anyway, this was a longwinded out turn a left, and that are right in another left here. To bring from circle back to what I was originally saying. I want to talk about something controversial. The reason I gave you that whole spiel was to say, because I really want the world to be a better place for me, for myself, for my kids, for my friends kids, my friends and my parents, are my sister, siblings and my anyone in general. Right and that's what my goal is and I will...

...if I die trying to make a word better place, I think my soul would be peace or I'd be in a happy I would be happy dying right. I would have no regrets if I died crying. Yeah, so that's my contesting, not I that's exactly how you need to be thinking right, like it's so benefit, like you need to be living your life that way, for sure. Yeah, because it's because it's like changing the world is not one thing. It's like I can't say next week I'll change the word and every it won't be like one big thing is like, oh well, it's done now. It doesn't stop. If you are what you think, Ay, and a lot of ways like you are. You think whatever you tell yourself, whatever your message to see you yourself a hundred percent, and I think it's really important. That's a whole other conversation about like manifestation and your thought become your reality. No, getting to the point, there's been a lot happening to the word and that's why I was really thinking about everything. My choice is who I was as a person and how I've treated a people and full circling together, I can Save Tho city, anything incriminating? Did you go back to the agent delete some stuff and do some stuff? Right? I was like, okay, there's a lot happening in the world right now. There's so much pain. You Go, coronavirus going on, with a black life movements coming into and that's what I wanted to talk about with this long spee. The reason I wanted to give that still is not because I'm not trying to offend anyone. It's because I wanted to set the scene to say where I'm coming where we coming from. Right. I remember in possible in the last episode, you talked about not wanting to offend people, and that's a hundred percent who you are inside. So you just don't want to. Yeah, you said it before. I remember. Yeah, I'm not. I don't want to not infriend people because I'm afraid that you the I'll hurt your feeling. Is because I just generally don't want to hurt people, right, because it kind of you know, I I don't want to hurt you and I don't care what you think about me, but I don't want to hurt you. That's that's how I see right, and you know, if in you know your opinions and your experience are your very own and very unique to you and I may never understand how some people feel. So that's why I'm very k what I say, but I don't give a shit what you think about me. It's a fact. I can't really much and that's a good way to look your life. So anyway, let's say, let's open up the blankets right that he did. The black lives matter movement. That's been a big three. It's been happening all over it, all over Australia. They were rallies, you know, rallies in Australia. You know, some may say it sparked the coroner bars second way, but you know, none that like. That's another point. The point it's been a huge issue and anyway you leave it's it was huge is the Melbourne's Melbourne central city. So basically, regardless of where you are, a lot of my friends were there and it was huge. I think I don't remember exactly, but I think it was roughly tenzero people who showed up. So that was big in Australia, obviously huge in America with everything going on. Just friends went absolutely a population. You know, luction basically the whole world has but sort of flipped on its head and has it had started looking at this racial you know, how the reach basically by them, right, and and I wanted to give my thoughts on that. And and for people who will say, well, what are you saying? First of all, I want to be very clear. I'm Brown. So, right, think most of the done, you're a beautiful you're a beautiful caramel and and I don't I don't think I'm racist at all in any sense. Right. I have friends who are all the colors and all the colors of the spectrum, right, yeah, and all extant from all the color of the spectrum. And what I realized I was like, okay, first of all, it's really fucked with everything. How. How? What the things that they're talking about? Right, if police are generally targeting people based on their color, that's crazy. Right, that's fine, and I accept the fact there is an issue. Right, there's always been an issue, but the issue has been more of a macro issue and we're looking at a micro problem. That's a whole other level, right, and sometimes you need to look at the micro to fix a macro issue. Right, but the problem, but I want to talk about was people's reaction and how people have been jumping up and down, which is good because I want everyone to be involved in it as well, because everyone needs to stand for something and if because everyone would stand for something, that's how will make change. But what I realize was in the in the midst of all this, there were a bunch of people who took this as an opportunity to get the maximum Social Kudos, and those are the people that I have a problem with. And these people actually know personally who have basically jumped up and down, gotton into the black lives matter movement and started saying all these things, and in fact one particular person gave me a lecture about it, because I apply to the story on Instagram. I said, well, I can only agree, and they up then jump jumped up and down. is they're like what you don't understand? I was like, I kind of do, but you know, what I wanted to say was I was like, the problem with you, as a person who is getting excited...

...about our cause because you may get social good or so out of it, is actually the problem. Most of these proble things exist in life, in in life, it is because of them so much contradiction in society and that, you know, you may be jumping up and down and may probably even help the movement, but in the long run it's doing more damage then actually solving social problems. Right, you know, as society, we need to become more effective at solving our problems, both social and economical, and actually, you know, things like global warming and all those things. Right, we need to become more effective. The keyword is effective, not efficient, because efficiency would be trying to fix a problem quick as possible. We want to get rid of problems completely. So we took amplet to be too will never get rid of problems because we're humans. We create problems. In the US, the you know, they're directing it at the police in a lot of cases, and those that sort of, in the main, I guess, driving point for a lot of it. And then people have gone on to say like it's just better if we take away resources from a lot of the police force, the way that they systematically profile and do these sorts like racial profiling and just these sort of policies and procedures that exists within the work like wives exist within the law, I guess, and just a certain type of people, the type of people that are in the police force currently at the moment. I think they need to do better psychological evaluation, but particularly after like twelve months and two years and five years of being in the force, even like physical like it's difficult to get in. But I mean, think about it, Bro once you're exposed to that sort of life, like if there's corruption and that sort of thing around you, like things are going to happen. So who? I don't even know the policies and whatever else in the US. I can't really comment on that in particular. But over there seems to be a real problem. And Do you know who Colin Kaepernick is? No, I don't. So he was a former NFL player. He kneeled for the protests. He played for the San Francisco Forty Nine, is there a team in La and he kneeled for the anthem and shortly after that he wasn't playing in the NFL anymore. So that's one example that people lead to. And what he spoke about was police brutality. So it was not so much people focused on him as a person and what he'd done in mistakes and all that sort of thing, and the fact that he was also in this is I don't mean to say this is just what happened. He was wrote grew up in a really dangerous and like an environment that where his parents couldn't take care of him. So he was adopted. He was adopted by a white family in America. I don't know exactly where, but in a white family. So an African American kid that grew up in a white family that adopted him. So if someone knows what's he would be able to see both sides of the argument because he can see being raised in this one environment and he can easily you know, he's friends at school and those sort of things. Yeah, his friendship group would have been a lot of African American kids, because he would have been able to relate to that more in a lot of ways. So he got to see both sides of it and he stood up and he tried to say something about it just because. And he's getting paid fifteen million dollars the year man, so it really doesn't affect him. But he put so much on the line and he was sort of, you know, he was cast out in a lot of ways, like he probably wasn't a good enough player. So the reason why he wasn't playing any more is because he wasn't at that standard anymore. But in the media and just socially people persecuted him instead of listening to what he was saying. And it's just the way the police. So this is a long round on my end as well, but the way the police do a lot of things in the US is just racist. I mean it is what it is. That happens too often. Well, the problem is hundred percent there. Right, the problem is there and and that's that's the problem is huge. Right, the problem is huge. Did racism exists, not denying it. And it's been and it's not just it's not just rheism against black are, you know, black people per se. This racism inherent in every culture and it's getting better. I think even the fact that we can talk about it is a whole nother level. But you know, good talking about Pakistan quickly. In Pakistan, right, people are looking so if normally right, I'm I'm actually I'm not sure. I mean from in the mid tone of colors. Right. My younger sister, she's actually quite light, right, and people go, oh, She's light, and she did. She's looked upon my as more beautiful because she's lighter skin and so racism is inherent in it's yealling the fact that exists. And and you know, I know people, and this is I'm talking about Pacisana culture, and because, specially, the reason I talk about that is because I know I'm from that culture. And normally, as other side, you being on their, especially if you're in a fighting for racism, you'd look at the Society of let's talk about Pakistan is...

...you look at them as the one that are oppressed, right, but or yeah, right, and s trial all over there. Well, in society, right, most of these movements exist outside of no one is up being jumping up and down in Pakistan. I press. Yeah, so outside of society you think that Pakistani culture is, you know, basically oppressed. Actually, they're they're doing there as oppressed as much as they're doing the oppression of like they actually looking at people. They literally looking at in the same family people. I know people who would go hey, my younger son is too dark, so, you know, he's the useless one. Because what I don't know, I don't understand a lot of Pakistan, Pakistani culture, so it's hard for me to know for sure but that's that's incredible way, so that that's happens. So we think it's happen. But you know what it is, though, what it is is education doesn't happen in my family, right, my family, like you know, my does never had. Has Happened my family, in my family, in fact, to the point where, you know, our mum, you know, you know, gets angry as at US completely equally. She know, she, you know, she, he doesn't really that. He does equally equal. That was all in cality. I has to equality. You know, we all got our hair pult equal amount. Maybe I got the most, but that was probably because I was, you know, a bustard as always, jump around, we go walls. Right. So what I'm trying to say is the racism acts exist and it's appalling the fact that it exists in cultures that you may not think, and I think that you may know that actually goes over. And then there's a lot of racism in specially coming in China. Chine. China is one of the biggest, one of the races, one of the most racist country. The way they treat other people is appalling. Once again, Hong Kong, Tino, the situation every there. Yeah, it's not right. And what's Chinna doing? That's a whole nother podcast we can make about, because China is doing some dodgy shit. I mean, if they're going to come after US letter, let them. They have the resources and they're doing it in a strange they're doing it a smart way, because we've got smart laws, where the US is a little bit sometimes they get a bit crazy. So people exploit a lot better like they what they did is a just, you know, outsource ninety seven percent of medical supply in the US. Like, think about that shit, Bro and it's also so you know, you know it's you talk about coronavirus being a thread there. I say China could be one, but you know, I don't know that. Well. Well, when did it have other like the thing about it as a crazy like this is the only thing that's made me question everything else. I can honestly, honestly understand both sides. Okay, there was one one thing that happened in in China, in Wuhan, in the lab that from the lab that was spoken about for a long time. And did it exist and they found out it existed. Where is it? It's near a hot spot should we shut it down? They've got shut down. They believe that they because what happens in China essentially is they did you know, they got it really bad because they live so close together. They shut it down, like if you live in an apartment block, wooden boards or put in front of an apartment block. So when they when they fucking got coronavirus, they sit they they shut it down because they're able to wear in the US they're not. So that's why it's kind of just a different level of freedom, as they say, to if you can get freedom or security, not both. So if you have a lot of freedom, she can go crazy. But again, we're going in a podcast topics that are crazy. But the lab that was close by men like they had the virus. They were researching it because they wanted to know how it worked and how they could stop it. They had they for whatever reason, they made it stronger like and then it got out and then just now spread again and a lot of international travel goes out of China. So that's kind of where it goes from there. The details of it as Super Shady. So that's why you can't fucking believe everything that you buddy watch and read and listen to and that sort of thing. And when legit people are saying it like it makes me thinks like Alon, most you know. He's a savage and a lot of ways and a lot of scientists and like there's a guy on Joe Rogans podcast. He was a is a disease research and that's kind of his career, is his life's passion, is to research diseases and figure out where they're coming from, how to stop them and curing and that sort of thing. So he said that too. So it's crazy, but so it's it's I'm sorry, I just didn't hang with the entire podcast, but it's fucking how it relates to China and how it's a threat within this closing. But at the end of the day, man, it fucking happened. Is What we need to get back to that fucking important topic of finally, because we just did cigarette that. I Apologize I don't really just quickly on that because this look not denying it is a possibility, right and but the only reason I haven't looked much into it and I'm trying not to stay away from that particular topic. Saying what China could have done with the virus, because it might it doesn't matter and he might take away from the effort that are putting being put into, say, to safeguard community from this virus. So it's better not to touch on those things because, like Dan Andrew said, it's not our place to talk about...

...that. Investigators who are be much more qualified than us will get to the bottom of it. Right, and he's a politician, he should be able to speak as those sort of things. But China has such a financial influence in that's right, the potential potentially in the Australian Labor Party, that it just happens man like. It's that's how China are smart. They don't come in like bloody, they don't do what happened in the Middle East. They're not like that. They're smart, but they fucking let's let's put up in the smarts. Maybe you know it is what it is. By they gifted men, at the end of the day, the certain type of people and people from all walks of life that genetically gifted, esthetically gifted, like Brazilian women like, let's be real, Swedish women, number one and two in the world, like, end of discussion anyway. And China they have so many people and they just have brilliant minds and they can just do shit. So and it's as possibly absolutely, and I think what, let's put a pin on it. I think that's could be our next episode talking about that side of the things. So quickly, getting back to the holding what I was trying to say. But once again, they are crazy country and they're smart country. Is a possibility that could have happened. I don't know. I don't want to speculate. We can speculate because that's what we do. Were the speculators. We're not that experts. But let's talk about it the next episode. So got me coming back to the black life matters movement and I was saying that there's been so many people, and one particular person that I actually started to write and they were saying they were chatting to me and this one particular person I met at random. There were stranger and we just started chatting and you know, it's just started chatting in shows, saying the yoga instructor on the beach, was it? No, that was the whole of the story. Yeah, I hope we told in the PODCAST. Yeah, I think we have. Is like a lifetime ago. But yeah, it was early top, maybe fowful, further episode Roach, pretty early days, sounny, how long ago that feels? Feels so long ago. So it's just a breath. It's crazy. So this particular person was saying to me how you know, and we just talking about different thing. We're talking about sexuality, we're talking about relationships, and then it and then the topic came to she said, Hey, you know, you must be, you must have you must be not pretty, like you must have suffered a lot. I've said, well, not really. She goes. What do you mean? I was like, she goes full I didn't. I've had a very easy life. My parents were loving. My parents gave me everything I ever needed and, to be honest, they gave me education. And I'm still lucky and I've got a idea. I say I'm probably luckier than most other people. She goes to yet, but you're you know, you have to be under Buege, but sometimes you have to be because your problem. Like she didn't say Brown, but you know your colored. I'm like yeah, I was like, dare I say that I've been more privileged than some white people, like because, you know, sometimes I do feel like I've been runing up in Australia, like even with in Australia, that people that we like. One time that I definitely saw racism in your life was a certain person that we knew from when would need eleven, so I was sixteen, seven eight, and then there was the incident on the basketball courts and he was just a flat out bully and, if I can got what he deserved. And even though he knows high school years, that was still some racist shit. So us don't like, don't show yourself shut but that's real and at sixteen seven in years of age, that sort of thing happening, that's your entire world. So it's still significant, you know. Yeah, and maybe that's for someone else to say, not for you to believe, because you don't want to live with that sort of thought. I guess you know it's probably something, but I'm like, you definitely went through some ship. I felt like I had to say that anymore just because absolutely. But but I think that they said there's a mixture between just being kids being dumb as well. You know, I see. So I was dumb equally as anyone else, right, so there's that level. So two sides every story. Yeah, there's two sides to every every story, and that's what I wanted to that's what actually brings me to the point, right. What I'm saying is, and I'm being honest here, there's me. There's been times where you may, you know, may think it's racism on my own like you know, yeah, a hundred percent. There were some racism there and they there was, you know, the differences in the school. I could have said, of course there was a little bit of race school. Our school had a lot of racism, right, but I'm not saying that any of the racism really you know, cut me right. That's also with this conversation. But this person would not stop pushing the fact that, well, you have to be under privilege. It's a fact because you're proud. I was like, well, actually, you saying that as actually making me. You say, well, it needs to be. It's not. It's actually essentially just making me, you know, saying that by you saying that, it's actually giving racism right, because you think I'm a person who cannot observe, like, you know, a good life because I'm there's just not a possible. But I'm telling you the truth. It has been a pretty good life despite those little things. Right, and the point was this whole thing is we as a society. We've been jumping up and down, which is great, but some of us have taken it too far by actually forgetting the point, and so many of people enough. I was reading something about someone attacking white people, white person because they're white, based on what the fuck? What the fuck? I thought, this is a whole argument that we had. Nelson Mandela talked about this like I had a dream, like in...

...it. That's what he was talking about, and my music King Sortin. Sorry about that's Martin looking in. My Dad, cement, was choice, though he also he went to prison and then became he became a president of Ze South Africa. So he's a great example. But Martin Luther King was my mother's sixties or something like that. Yeah, yeah, and I think I sixty one or something that I want to say. Yeah, it's really, really, really so, you know, he is. That what we're doing. We basically do clipping the whole thing down and actually taking away racism for one thing and putting it another one. This is the biggest problem is it's actually, it's actually not too black people who have doing that. It's actually other white people at the wells, other white people attacking other white people for being white, and it's just so much any of that. What I'm saying is, if you're gonna fight for a cause but you're doing it for Social Kudos, that's a fucking problem, because that Social Kudos is the problem. You need to do things in to understand why you do something. It's the most important thing. If you're gonna stand for something, if you can stand for racism, Fuck Yeah, stand for racism, because racism has has caused a lot of problems in the society. But what I want to say is it's important that this position, that predisposition, need to be fixed, but it's important how we fix it. There's a really good example, and while ago, this is back in the days when General Motors was a big company, right, and they went to Japan, right. They went to Japan and to observe how they went through the manufacturing process. So they go to the Japan, they so all the basically the assembly line. They're like, okay, cool, cool, cool, wells place this. Sorry, I think you might be Toyota. So general model went to Toyota and what what general more notice they go. Well, at the end when we make our cars, we bet we get a rubber mallet and we knock the doors in to see if they fit. And to the Japanese engineers and then Japanese. So they said to the Japanese engineer, how come you guys don't do that? They say. They were very confused and they said, well, is because we designed it to fit. And the guys were like, well, what do you mean? Because what has happened was clearly general. Mos hadn't designed their doors to fit properly. They just try to fix the problem with the Hammer. Literally. Yeah, so engine o level engineering, you know, high level reginning. Right, that's unbelievable in Japana, like these apes. What are you talking about? What are you thinking about? Right, and this is a true story and this is actually comes from a this is there's I think there's a book about it. I forgot which book it was about engineering. So so that's a fact. Like, if you think about that's what we're doing with society. If we're going to try to fix problems with a mallet or rubber mellot or a hammer, we're just gonna we not going to fix a predisposition. We're going to just we're going to try to adjust, and it's almost like you said, you try to fix, try to pull the door in with a rubber mellet because hopefully, off yet it may fit. You get the same result, but the problem is that door won't be a durable as the Japanese door, for in that particular scenario, or same thing with our society, won't be as durable, I would problem solution won't be as sustainable because if you take one problem and cause another problem. Right now everyone's talking about I don't know if you guys know this, one of the biggest problems that we think lasting with our podcast. We just need to keep talking with topics. You're covering good topics now, but if you have a good idea, go with it, because I got a good idea of just what you said there found I'll let you finish ract, but I'm about to finish this topic anyway. So what I want to say. Black lives matter. Move meant I supported. I think racism should cease to exist. What I want to say, but you cannot, and specially keep in mind people who are punishing people of my generation, whether they be white. So the reason I say people of my generation white right. Keep in mind they are normally not at fault. A lot of these disposition came from years ago. You know, most of my friends who are, you know, White, hard never, you know, not racist whatsoever. They actually, you know, they're very good people. That predisposition exists from a very long time ago. So cut some people's cut people some slack. We understand there's a problem. Let's address the problem together and let's not fucking, you know, jump at each other throats because we're trying to fix the problem with another, creating another problem. So just I'm going to end it there. That's what I would say. The last one is don't fucking do something for social good ors. Don't set up a black live mood matter. Don't stand up for black life matter movement, because you're going to you're going to be treated as or this person is cool because they stand up for this movement, because this fucking trending on twitter. Fuck you if you do that. Yeah, okay, that's it. Got On to you and bow entire perfectly. What was I forgot the first point I was going to talk about and then he reminded me a second one. But what we're talking about it's handsomeing to do psychology, but I can't remember what it was. We're talking about the fixing a problem with the don't melleting the door in a predisposition, trying to fix it with melt have. That's what we talked about. Yeah, I can't catch the thought, but it's all good head. That's fine.

Was the second time. Yeah, so essentially, like the protest like in one way, like they need to be legal and society that we live in, because people need to if they sure that something's going on, they need to have the right to do stuff, but like not do stuff, but, you know, protest in a way that doesn't cause any civil unrest and isn't violent or dangerous. Like. That's kind of it. That's kind of what's going on Melbourne a little bit. So I don't know. Is that like do you have any thoughts on that? That's kind of interesting. Like I don't know, what sort of does that cross the line of impeding on our society and allowing this great cause to blossom orders that create? Like obviously we need to put it off, or do we not put it off? What happens if we put it off? Or you learn to change the legal system to to, you know, bring it off so well, because the black lives matter movement is so part what the thing is, because when something has public attention, it just becomes almost you, it becomes so powerful and that group mentality become so powerful that there's no stopping it. Right. So, as a government, once you get a public together jumping up and down, there's not stopping that public. There's no way to stop it right. You can't do I mean, the only thing you could do the last result is really tries the country, but chances are you won't do it because then you know the whole I reay, hang and sorry, soppinitely here. There were at the border of Queensland, like so we're trying to do it. We find right now. I think like finding, you know, is kind of going to be the stripe smart strategy, because people don't want to pay money, particularly in a time where a little people don't have jobs. You don't want to be paying a massive fine. But if there's tenzero people, they're like, as you say, but what are you going to be able to do? What are you going to do? And this is, you know, that's actually very powerful and this is this is what I say to people. A lot of the problems that exist asaid. If you want to fix a problem, there's a solution. You can jump. But you put that thousand to people together, you could fix any problems. But the point is there's a it's I get why everyone would want to do it now because it's got public eye at the moment, it's got major public attention. It makes sense to do it now, but it's a very dangerous time because all of a sudden you're putting the whole society at risk of supreading this virus. That could the problem is, you know, let's say your whole world will be careful, but we're all staying at home at in Victoria and the virus is spreading, you know. So what is the chances of them? They've talked about how it spreads. I don't know the exact details, but clearly spreads very fast. And now you start protesting in tenzero people, obvious is going to cause a problem. And so many people are saying, well, everyone's going to the shops. Yeah, you're right, they are going to the shops. That's yet a hundred percent. You're right, but it's if we're doing something to fix a problem to only create another problem. I don't know what the what the I see both side. I don't know if I can give a conclusion on that per se, but I feel like it be dangerous and it would be dangerous and in almost almost criminal to criminal, to put the whole society at risk based on one political issue that you're trying to correct. Yeah, we know. That's why for us to get a perspective of that side would be talking to someone who actually goes to the process and participates like that. You know, that would be interesting because they will get that perspective of like what it's like. We know one perspective of government and lawmakers and kind of what they need to be done through our society. We need to tell a lot of people to do this one thing, because if everyone goes to the beach and socializes, then even though you're not going to catch the beach, but where do you go after the beach? You go you go to the coffee shops, you know, you do all that sort of thing. So we if we sort of don't stop these protests now, because can become anything, but it's it's just hard. I think it's hard for us to give an example and like kind of what that feels like. That, I guess we can only provide our point of view and I agree with you. I think it's like it just needs to probably need instant weight, you know, but we need it gets a bit really it's not sweep it under the rug. And in two thousand and twenty, when technology rules the world and everything comes into our new cycle daily and things are changing constantly, we can't forget. And that brings me that. That actually brings me to something new, which is funny, actually putty. You say that right. Well, that that brings me, and this is the this is why I keep saying that people are doing this with Social Kudos. A few months ago we had the huge problem of, you know, the our half a country, half the world, or being on fire. Right, you know, you had the Amazon for us being on fire. Then it's incredibly crazy, crazy, crazy, catastrophic dos traffic buyers in Australia and everyone is talking about global warming, which is incredible, and then you have a boney that was doing added to us, the Red Cross and those sort of places for the fire. I feel no, I'm not too sure. Huge, like celebrities got into a little mass seem like twenty, thirty, forty, fifteen million dollar donations from celebrities through public fundraising and the nations and that sort of...

...things. Anyway, that's a different, different thing, but the surrounding thought I had. But that's interesting. How, how? What ways that sort of money going? Well, that's no one's talking about the whole thing. So that's what's right under the run. Now we moved on to the next problem, which is the black lives matter movement, which is important as well. What I'm saying is there has to be a middle ground where we mediate these things, where we keep the problems, the problems our lives. We have to fix a problem. It's not like the problems gone, it's more like the all of the sudden, you know, the country is all good, all of a sudden global warming is gone. No, it's not like that. We still have to think about that. But we have a new problem for focusing all that's got public attention right now. Our public attention is equivalent or occurred to the attention of a seventeen year old who's just discovered facebook. Actually, that's a life. Minds are going crazy, probably for they in Europe. Yeah, it's just all bouncing all over the place. Everything's doing. I think we said that before to everything's new everything. Once they smart box, might we're on the if you really as something right. Because, yeah, if you keep changing your thoughts and then they match up, we're doing some part anyway. I think that's exact. And to finish of that, that's a huge problem. That because we just moved to one problem because we know we're not solving one problem and we're not even giving up. We just sort of like next one, next one. Right. There's so much going on and there's so much pain in society, and for this I think we all need to start with ourself, and it changes with. It changes with it changes with becoming more becoming more aware and having that better perspective. I think that's that's a thing of the pocards and it's important if, once we start seeing those things, we each person can do that good one person. Catch yourself when you're looking at someone different because of their color. Stop that Shit, get that shit out of your system. You know, stop yourself when you're under you know, unintentionally hurting the planet by printing five hundred fucking papers. Talked about that story so many times, you know, those kind of things. And to finish it off, the latest problem that everyone stopped jumping up and down about on social media is billionaires shouldn't exist. And there's been one port, one socialist, right Socialists. Happens? It's when it's when politics seems into societies. Happen throughout history. If you don't learn and understand history, or destined to repeat itself hundred percent. And someone was saying billionaires shouldn't exist. And what I said to them and I said, okay, it's like well, they've got all the money, because it's true, you know, our top hundred billion is or something like that have more money than the you know, not eighty percent of the society. It's true. But I was what is probably something, something crazy like that. Right. But what I want to say, and I had a really good example, right, so let's say Jeff Bezos is got roughly jeff as is the richest person in the world. Right, I think it's got roughly net worth. Of One reason, by got some money off the marriage and she became like the just lately in the world just from the marriage to divorce. Yeah, I see. And do you know he? Yes, how do you know how much was the total, but just for the job keeper in Australia. Now, let me just look that up while you get broken. So job capable or Sakea, which from rotter things, sacer, might be even more. Okay, hundred thirty billion. This is really good. Right, this is really good. I just needs. So hundred thirty billion dollars was on job secret, the government subsidy to basically keep people employed under the employees right. That was a hundred and thirty billion Acre Capa. Right, and the reason I want to give you, I want to give you perspective here. Right, this is really important. Always perspective. So job keeper was hundred thirty billion dollars, and what that meant was that would keep, you know, subsistidt seventy percent of the jobs. Who have sent these other people who had lost the jobs. Right, I think roughly, I don't know the exact number of how many people got it, but I think roughly it's around one point two millions, one point or maybe less, right, something like that. Right, not that many people. So that means, right, we got a hundred thirty billion dollars spread among us, right, and we have that money and I've been with people who people have been getting the money for roughly, let's say, if I get the money right, and what the fuck am I going to do with total sevenzeros? What have I done? I've done nothing. What I'm saying is, what if you know, I've done nothing, and you know the next person who got that's, you know, Fivezero, six thousand dollars or Tenzero or whatever right, and the job said be apart from your paying your rent and all that stuff, what have you really done? Nothing but side. Nor if Jack has I had that money. He's back in building rockets, space exploration. He can do that to further this societies. You know, Musque, right, it's a big rockets, not dable. Jeff Bess is doing it as well. What really? Yeah, yet blue origin. I don't know about this. Fuck yes, he's good enough. He's got a company called blue origin and that's all about space exploration. Cold blue origin, howdy, speller, blue origin, like orige. So basically, as in the planet, because...

...our planet is blue. As an our origin is blue, blue origin. So so he's using that money to build space exploration and he's put possibly give our society, sorry give human race, a chance to live past this planet and you're saying that he shouldn't exist. That doesn't make sense to me, you know, because you're saying by actually seizing for the billionaire to exist, we all of a sudden we are because those are the people who make those things happen. You and I don't. Hopefully we will. Hopefully will be one of those people who do, but in one of their own but in our own way. It doesn't have no one way. But what I'm saying is with much money, yeah, with the money spread out equally, we get to make less. We get to make less changes in society. Yeah, sure, everyone will eat good, but you know what will happen? Every will just spending the gambling and good drinking and God to clubbing. That's what will happen and we'll spend it all and the cycle will just keep on repeating. We want to get specifically taking this out of society. That's kind of goes back to that socialist idea and that's where it comes from. It's about equality and but if you look at, I guess the most extreme form of socialism, it's occurs in China. Like it, you know it's in China. So I'm that I'm spacing on the word. I don't know why, their political system, but communism, Communist someone. So everyone kind of has that maximum threshold. But then there's you. That's why you're able to get away with paying people whatever about and people are you know, there's very limited amount of people that can push Jeff Bezos if you want to live in that society where Jeff Bezos thes is, because that's someone who's just pushed it to the extreme, as tried is absolute best. You know, Elon Musk and those type of people, reaching friends and like virgin from a mobile phone to a playing company. Those type of people like the absolute the really employers, not the real influences, not these bloody instagram like in Neves, the real contributes, the other people that have pushed in, which it's not going to happen in that society. So I just don't think we can't. You know you, I'm sure you're going with me. We can't live in a society where you're not allowed to have been is. Well, what's in fair? Also, life like life is not fair in a lot of ways and it might be a harsh reality, but it's true. If life is not fair and don't. Don't get yourself trapped in the victim mentality that life is not fair. Don't work life. It's not fair hundred percent and will never be fair, but you can make the most of it. You can make most of what you have. Life is not fair, and I don't use something in them because if you get your something in the victimendal, life's not fair. Of course life's not fair. I don't know who told who said the life would be fair. I mean life's not fair. From you know, once again, predisposition of life is not fair. Tom To be watched too many fairy tales as a kid. Do you reckon? Is that way many, way too many, and that's where you know a lot of the I feel like a lot of the a lot of this disposition in life actually comes from great deals and people watch too many movies. That's why people want to move, kids want to move to America and all these things. Right. I think that's a great topic to discuss. Fairy time. Yeah, get into it a fair bit, but I it's just. But it's also you want to live in society where fair tales exist because they want people got like Mike Tyson, is fifty four years old, bloody coming back to fight again like he wanted. You know, he's a fought in the most underprivileged he lived in the most underprivileging circumstances in Brooklyn, in New York, like he was homeless at Twelve, eleven than it's a age eating out of a trash can. So he's someone who took that and put it into boxing. The hand the biggest athlete in the world from not a lot of years. You want to live in that society? You know what I mean. You want to live in that society. Is An extremely good but he's my fucking love, the Mike Tyson. Sorry, it's unblaeable. So, like his good thing is life is not fair, but life is designed for the non release. Yeah, be an anomally, be the exception to the rule. Then you'll get everything. You know, it's actually not. It's not. It's not hard to be the exception to the rule if you really think about it, and all the rules are pretty simple. They it just means you have to work hard for it. Most of the problems in our society come from is the fact that always saying is why do I have to work so hard to get x? Is always saying. You know, I know a lot of I am made me to write. All of us complain about how expensive house prices are. Right, it was like, Oh, we can't afford a house because our parents, our baby boom is, bucked it up. Well, sure, they did right, but also don't let us not forget about the part how they had to go through. They didn't have free like you know, their Medicare system wasn't at advanced. A lot of them died at younger age. A lot of him all these problems. We don't have those problems. We have different set of problems. You know, we can't afford a house. Of course you can afford a house. fucking work, work, hundred hours a day, hundred hours a week, you'll be fine. Yeah, you don't know what house. That's work. More so if you if you think life is not fair, just be the exception to the rule. Life and design perfect example. Brother, that's a perfect example,...

...because that's the sort of ours. Those guys worked and like your musk and pay per, eighty nine s hundred, ten hours. He's talking about some weeks. It's like, what if you'd find that by seven days that's working one. That's fourteen, you know, fifteen hour days, right, unbelievable work. It's the work, right. Yeah, we're full circle. It all comes back to prospective as to you it you transchandial. That's the NAMBER podcast. Perspective, potential work, because that's right. That sounds good perfect. Love it. Hepw. We work at the CEPD. WHAT'S WEPW? Baby Dow perspective work. That's pretty good. At the end of the day, we all have to start with ordering ourself, I guess, which is really funny because I getting into business world and I've been so lucky enough to hang on with the businesses and I'll learned these things, right. But I learned the incredible thing that in business everyone wrote a business plan. I was like, that's interesting. Why People Writing Business Plan? Right? Clearly because they don't want to fail, right. So I was like, Oh, I'm going to write the plan for life, and I wrote a personal management plan and I wrote out all the things that were my weaknesses. The funny thing about people is when they go to write down things for themselves, they're not honest at it. They're like, oh, not on, need to work on that much. I was like like, fucking one hundred percent orts. I broke down my year. So I wrote a year plan for this year and I've broke down my year in a quarters. So I said, you know, first quarter, like first time, second and third time, but I want to achieve in those certain things were my one of my fourth term achievement was I'm going to work for myself. Ended up happening in the first time. The point was is their energy that I was like, I'm going to write a plan, and then you write a plan, then you figure out how much you have to work and you do the work and then things happen. You gotta become aware of yourself. I think that's the realness. Is Important half perspective that, despite the fact that you might have to work harder, you can have the same things, such Jeff Ass keep in mind Jeff Bezel comes from as a single mother and he wasn't rich. He was come from a pretty poor family and used to work at McDonald's. Nothing too incredible. And you want to take a bit away from him because he's rich now, he's a selfmade billionaire. It is what it is. Anyway, I think it is what it is. Such a bittiful way to wrap it up that. That's is what it is, man. That's what that's Jeff. That's him. Is it just a great example of everything that you talk about, brother, because it's just for him. It's just what he did and he had to do it in his not didn't have to do it, but I guess he did it and that's what he fucking achieved and that was his life. That's sort of that's how you heard him speak a lot. I like it the way he talks. Man, he's just you understand why the guy is where he is. You just he it's not that he had to do it, he wanted to do it and he did it. Yeah, I think that's the important thing. How if you want to do it, it's how bad you wanted it's at speaks about eight speaks at it because love hate. But what is it? He's got me through some hard shit in my life, that's for sure. What's his quote? That he says you want to when you want to succeed as bad as you just want to praise and you'll be success. So there's another one he said, and which is the basic table. It's like, I can, I will, I must. This is one that I remember and is said it was, oh yeah, that's right. You know pain. Pain will last a moment, a second, a minute or even a year, but eventually it will subside and something else will take his place, something else. But if you quit, that will last wherever. The last time that will last. One was like incredible things. And what he also says. You know, if you're hanging around with you know, if you're if you're hanging out with you know nine broke people, you're want to be the ten, and that's a lot of the problemance isside's full because everyone is hanging on with the same people. We tend to attract. It's called retect articular activation system that basically we end up hanging around with people who agree with our opinions. What ends up happening is we never grow as people, we never learn, we don't explore new culture. That's why we are racist, because we keep on hanging out with the same people who agree with us. You need to explore into meet new people who don't agree with you, because that's why, you know, I'm happy to you know, it's uncomfortable to have someone disagree with you. Is uncomfortable to someone that we argue with you. You know, understand. But if you will be prismuture, you can get mutual respect and figure it out like that's the beautiful thing about life and it's not about confrontation. In that circumstance. It's there's a really interesting story about this guy. I forgot what he was named was. He was a black guy and he became friends with a KKK clan leader. Had you know about that locker? Yeah, I just wouldn't be able to tell your names. But that's it's a good one because because of the how it changed his perspective. And you're right, like he just grew up. The only way you get into the KKK,...

I really is if we grow up in a family where it's it's just so flawed and so obviously stupid at the only way that you actually would support that sort of thing is one if you're a sociopath, but to if if you're born into it. So he would have never had that perspective of having a friend. His name is Daryl Davis, Dara Davis held. He he became friends with the KKK clan leader because, you know, and something he talks about. He said we had a mutual conversation. We you know, we didn't like each other, but we had mutual respect to each other, at least in that conversation. We want to hear each other out and then they became friends. So, in saying so, a lot of our differences and can go if we start listening to each other. Yeah, I think that sums it up. Whole body asked hundred percent. What do you touched on about your work ethic and Planning Out Your holiday? That's something I really want to get into it because it's not something that I should be probably doing as well. But what I've comes they can of worms next episode. Alright, so we'll get into that money if you're keen, or even if we have a conversation off here. Well, I think. I mean we got okay, the topics are not it done. We got we're going to do an episode about the whole China situation. Yes, one episode. We got the work ethics and we've got what was the last one we spoke about? Another episode. We can make one creative head space as well. Yeah, creative headspace and like I remembered what you said from the hell. I forgot telling I did myself up and then I fucking it's basically or somehow floated back into my mind. There was about psychology, sort of, but it was I thought of psychology because they're the ones that describe it. But you spoke about problems being sold with other problems, like not solutions. Yeah, it was had to do race, obviously, like you went, we're into that discussion. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it seems you say, you can't cover one problem up with the other one. You have to figure out a solution and move on. You can't get stuck and keep doing that in like. It happens in society, it happens through particularly. I think now it's that we start understand it. But for a long time people who were either diagnosed or were believed to have mental health issues, like it was themed as like some it was, you know, schizophrenia and those sort of things were all lumped in the extreme examples of schizophrenia and bipolar or lumped into depression and anxiety and mental health. And what happened is it was just medicated. Everyone was medicated. That's, you know, that's how you that's the only way to treat an extreme example. If you're going to hurt yourself, you have to be sedated like a fucking horse. So even though people that were had anxiety depression, they weren't fucking given horse tranquilizer or like these other people that were still given Bens of pain and Zanis and all these extreme drugs, like someone like short of p this and man like nearly nearly killed him, Bro and he's one of the best minds of our life and it nearly killed him. Like that's that sort of Shit just fucking it exists, man like. It's unbelievable. And now we're finally addressing mental health and society, and that's a beautiful thing, but that, I think, that's part my mind, because that was a huge problem society and I think a lot of our issues can be related back to the lack of understanding of mental health and why people. If you look at so in the US, for example, I think it's over eighty eighty five percent of shootings of gang related that sort of environment, and a lot of the other ones are people who were on these medications or who were had a history of mental health issues, like so what. For whatever reason, that's sort of lumped at all in and people for people just crazy, but they didn't so they throw a problem, solution at it. But the problem with medication is back to the original point. It's a fucking problem. Medication is meant to be temporary. A hundred per one, hundred and ten percent. I could not agree with that more. I mean just a quickly touching on that. When be if you take back few more years, look few more maybe, like you know big bay, eighty years or a hundred years before that, when people had the same problem of like schizophrenia, they were dimmed, like they were demonized. Literally, this person's got to humans in them, right, yeah, it's a whole other errs. They got in which which doctors to come with, doctors to freaking with them and all that stuff. Now fixing up formis and so we haven't really fixed that disposition. And we know we just date them. I mean, what's different than a tuly whipping them then just a dating them? The problem is, if you think about what's happening, a lot the mental health issues coming from this, because now we're not not now. We never done this right. So let's say, you know, if I have a problem, I'm too worried about talking to you, is because I'm worried about the judgment that you know, because you will see me weak because if you really think about it, and that's what it comes down to, maybe, I guess, as a person, I could become less to no, I'm just saying general, general you throw that way. No, no, particularly. Okay, okay, I'm just using example, right. So, but I afterwards. Yeah, I was just about to say what we could do. I let's say, let's say in this scenario, for you had some problem because you don't feel like you want to come talk to me. What I could do? I could be more accepting and seem less judgmental,...

...so next person would come up to me and come to talk to me. So I guess that's once again comes back to become self awareness. Where are you, you know, problematic, because because when someone is going through that, they're not they obviously they're suffering a problem. They're suffering. What you could do is be the solution instead of being judging them. And no matter what people say, how accepting they are, people are still judgmental. So I think we as a society, we could be less judgmental. Then we would have less of that problem and a lot of that is actually something that is you know, of course we're gonna suffer from, you know, problems, when we don't have major problems because everything, because we are perspective, we don't. It's not line. So all of a sudden, when you think of about you know, a kid who's got so much energy and is bouncing off the wall, has got six schizophrenia, all of a sudden they give him medicine. Maybe he's just a kid who, yeah, you too much energy. You know, sugar, sugar, right, there is, there is that, but just gone. What we say? What were you going to say about how you feel? Yeah, that's it. The way I feel is and I think that's our sort a lot of kids that went through our own being in primary school and seeing the kids that were given their medication and that sort of thing and it just meant it rept it like didn't wreck a lot of them, but they suffered socially. But for me I thought, yeah, so, do you ever get to an example or a time where, if you're not feel a world, do you ever have a blocker from talking to people? Like there's one thing you tell yourself? You're like, I'm not going to tell that person or I don't want to talk to anyone. Have ever got to that stage or do you ever feel at that stage at any point? I'm normally more internal. I like I if I have being, I like not necessarily shut down. I need like a day by myself to mostly, not necessarily reflect, but I just need time off from people and I normally tend to dissipate and a lot of time I think, yeah, I just, yeah, I disappear. So and I normally I don't know if that's healthy or not, whatever it is, but I normally just spend a day by myself because I also don't be like we don't spend enough time with our self, but also lookin. But when I do have a problem, I do tend to talk to people. Like I remember telling you about one of the but of the things that I was feeling shitty about. Remember I was talking. It was, you know, one particular situation which I will not talk about this mood. Guys. Thank yeah, I think I'm yes. So I was feeling a Shitty by something like four hundred and fifty and you told me just on the right time and I was like hey, man, like this is this is a problem. So this I just messaged you the problem that I was talking about. You know I told you about that and actually made me feel better. Yeah, I was like, okay, cool, this makes me feel better. So I don't necessarily think I feel like I'll be judged, especially for my friend. So I think I'm fine with that. I tend to more than a friend. Come on, yeah, my best friend by all but just Jack, just like. I think it's a level. I tend not to go to my parents with problems, but I can't go to my parents when it annoy I'm annoyed about something, I tend to go more to my parents, but if I'm sad about something, I'll go to friends, which is kind of interesting. MMM, I, like I said, yeah, yeah, there's a painting. Like I grew up in the same sort of setting where our parents are very loving, but like, there's certain things that I would go to them and not so much. But they also give great advice, even when I don't want them to and I'm too hard headed, and then my mom will say something that I mean, then it's just like work. So it's good to listen to our parents, but I feel the same way and for me all it is is I just don't want to talk, for I on the same like a couple of days. Sometimes it's even thirty minutes. Sometimes I just got to go for a walk with the dogs and I'm good, you know. Sometimes it's a cold shower and breathing in the shower. Sometimes it's a week or two bright. So, like it can vary, but it's I just don't want to talk to other people because you don't want to put like negative feelings on other people, or even if you do see other people, you won't be completely honest, and for me I struggle with that. So socially you can tell when I'm not talking about something because I'm an open book with a lot of things. So it's that's kind of what happens with me, sir, or our earlier days of our friendships. I remember you go this early. It is our friendship, like with that. Yeah, and you'll be like now, I'm good, Bro, just talk you like, what the fuck, what do you mean? I do shall yeah, it's I've got it. It's yeah, it's healthy, bro, but no, you're not. Happen. It's a disposition on both hands. It's obviously I don't know the right way to prompt you to talk to me and you don't know the right methodology of how to tell me that you need, whether you need a moment or whether you need to be heard, because sometimes it's sometimes you need to be heard, sometimes you actually do need a moment. Yeah, yeah, all you say now. It's interesting. It's like and like communicating and helping would always makes it better. That's a thing...

...that I also get. I'm really like analytical with myself about the way I talk. So if I don't feel like talking and I say something the wrong way that I'm like I get pissed off about it for a few weeks. That's kind of something weird that I do. But and it's all based off like just sometimes you need to reassess and you need that time. But I don't, I don't feel that way very often now, just because I've learnt and you know, particularly the last few years, I've learned how to just understanding. That's a part of life. You know, maybe I wasn't taught and overcome that when I was younger. So it's it's all good now, but it's just interesting being able to think about the things that you don't even sometimes talk about and then being able to talk about it now like it's not a problem and that there's sometimes you don't feel like talking about stuff for whatever reason. So people we it all needs to be addressed differently, and I shouldn't be on medication for that, like even if I feel depressure, I feel anxious or feel hopeless, like I shouldn't be plaly sedated. But if I really wanted to, I could get medication. It's just not the right thing to do. I've had it before. Tell me sleep and it just the dept of side effects would just not one. The thing is that patterns are all people. People don't their brains don't work that way. They don't think about it that way. They just end up, you know, into becoming vicious cycle for a lot of people I represent. That's why they're so addictive. I guess that's back to my original point about the medication. That's why we need to start medicating all these cats. Hundred was a hundred percent and I think we need to. We need to. Society addressed that as well. One of the problems that I was just about to say. I think I mentioned this. The patterns are always there, because what happens is it always starts with one. It's always like a dumb with spiral right always starts with this, and I notice this is what I said in the two weeks where, and I was a week ago. I wasn't feeling great right now. I was feeling shitty and I was feeling angry, and you notice I was. You can see when I'm hard to get ahold of as well, I'm sure you on you and you could see. I just look at the message, never reply. And I remember one particular day. I could see how it started. I I stopped making my bed, and I'm one represent or of on a server it. I stopped making my bed. It was the first thing I stopped. And slowly I stopped hanging in M Jack Clothes on the court track, and then next thing you know, I stopped making my food. I start getting takeaway and then and then all of a sudden, it all just kept him going downhill. All they too, and then all they took to get it back on track. First thing I did was like, okay, wake up, today is gonna be a good day, made by bed, and then I was like can I have breakfast? Going to go for a run and all those stuff. And then, I mean, is it just the fact that I felt better that I did it, or is it actually the other way around? That a fact that I did those things made me feel better. Stay June, you got exercise, you got adolphins. He gave yourself telpher main, like if I can make even just from making a bed, like he gave yourself a good feeling. So he gave us off a little bit of bloody don't mean for that reward system. And that's how we're designed to live our lives in a lot of ways. Like and the biggest thing is you told how these next two weeks or how my downhill spiral was a week. Yeah, that particular week I actually called my mom and I was like fuck, I hate everything, I hate everything right, and that was the second week of the second this second wave of lockdown in Melbourne, in Victoria. I was like man, I fucking hate this because I just got back in the Jim. I hate this. What's the point of anything? And then, and I was like, Oh way, hold on a minute. Once again, perspectives like all right, gotta get this shit done slowly. Socially, you get back on track, and you know, it's easy. It's easy to just go and give in to that and keep watching Netflix on fucking repeat even the Olympics. Ask Me, are you still watching, and you're like yes, motherfucker, I'm still watching. I'm gonna no life. Do Judge exactly, just my I'm just on my phoning in, cut in club data, sit doesn't right, just La Right, and and you do those things and then you get better, life gets back on track. We all feel shit and we all feel like that. I think it's important to now happened to the podcast. We can, we can say those things. It's all good. Yeah, we're got to realize that we all feel like shit. It's okay. We're going to feel this. We're gonna have those week. Everyone's gonna have those weeks. How we get out of them and will if we may. You know, it's good. I'm not sure if it's good to have those weeks, because some people will say, oh, it's good to feel that. Yourself feel that. The only thing is I feel at my best. I feel the happiest when I'm not that. So clearly I'm gonna do my best to not be in that phase because I get more out of life. In fact, I get, you know, like, how do I put this? When I'm happy in my energies are high. Just random calls will come in and people will offer me business. I last week, after this podcasting, I did look a here. Yeah, the new website I made. Someone literally random called me and said, Hey, let's work with this. How does that happen? I mean, once again, I want to go too much into manifestations. I don't think it. Obviously I feel great. I feel like I'm ready to take on the word. If it even if the call came on the week that I was feeling shit, I would have known even answer, because I don't answer private numbers, although days, I mean don't know, that's a private numbers in the best time. But that day I was like, every now and again I'll take him on, but usually I not believe in my line. If it's a random Modi and I'm I don't have I'll probably enter it, but when I'm not feeling the best, back off. If I'm feeling good, I'll bring that motherfucker own and it's...

...usually it might even be an old friend or someone that you know if she got a new phone and you just don't have that number anymore, and that will make you day too. Like if I get calls from people that I know from Sydney, you know, like that. All that will if I can change my day in the best of times a hundred percent. And and one of the things I was going to say, and this is one thing that I did or the quarantine last quard you. I haven't done enough of this quarantine. I went through my facebook list of Messenger Goofist, you know, and I was like, I'm a message people, message people that I care about the most and tell them the owners things that I feel about them and I preach why I appreciate them. And it was actually made me feel Nice. I'm sure it helped other people as well, you know. And yet so that's a brief example. Yeah, be there for people and I guess hopefully people are there for you as well. Same thing goes for me. You've everyone. Have fucking perspective. Have Perspective. Have what was the other pay? Perspective work. Yeah, and there's another pay. There was a perspective's a purpose? Not Have Purpose? Who knows? I'll go to look back the figure it out. Maybe there that's it. Will name it. This has been so much fun. Bright Hour and a half has flown by and doing this is another thing that you know, we're it'll just it's already made me feel each but we're just doing this, you know, and that's another thing we can do for a little while. So it's it's I guess what I'll finish on is thought that you got. And this can be another episode, because we think about episodes on the fly, but kind of have being able to channel our world or our passion our lives in two different outlets allows us to clear up other areas of our life. So if you if you're you know pretty sure, or you're working hard on the cree your personal life is probably going to get better if you're doing the right things there, because you're just putting energy into one area and it kind of frees up bullshit. Even if you're doing in this stress in one area, if you really care about it, you can do with that stress. So I think it's I think it's just so important to try to try to have outlets and try to do things if you're not feeling the best way, if it is one thing that you like or one thing that gets you up in the morning or one thing that will help, and then that can they can build from there. Yeah, that's very much this is one of those outlets, but a hundred percent. It makes me feel good, but they're talking about outlet. I do have something that's been pissing me up and I would like to get on that please. This is apart from all the other things I wi a much, so this one is really interesting. Right. So I'm obviously many people know by this podcast and would have learned by now, that I work in marketing, right, and the high end structural marketing, infrastructure of marketing, and I've been very offended, truly offended, by people, especially, especially people who've got not only you've got let you know, maybe you've got some folding on Instagram, right, and there's people out there who think they're because they've got a fucking instagram account and maybe they've got fivezero followers or tenzero followers. They understand marketing and they've been actually talking to me like I'm a fucking idiot. So like I studied anything and I still, like, if I can, you know, wrote half of the you know, right up, goding for it or what not, but you know, and they actually talk to me like I'm the fucking idiot who doesn't understand marketing anyway. So that's something been grinding my gears. Once again, I need to take it easy. And I understand from them. What what makes them do that? Like why they question you? Because because, well, they say. This is what they say to me. They go as well, if you're a marketer, how come you don't have a following? Like, well, that's not what my work is. My work is to build infrastructure so people like you can have a following. That's what I do. Is like, well, it doesn't make sense. Anyone. If you could build that following, you would. You can't. I'm like, well, I just don't really care. That's not my priority anyway. The point is, but they've been having a run at like one particular person. This comes from them, and you can do is like create content and just show them real world examples, like it's just like giving free advices, like this is what you do, motherfucker. I can help you out because, like, I'm a genuine person, I actually care and I know what I'm talking about. But that's well, that's the challenge you're going to have to deal with. You, but it's it's also good that you're addressing it, because you made to. But, like it's fucking motivation. But I like that's the shit thing. That's going to be your feel way, a hundred percent. Oh, I love haters, nothing more. I love the haters like yeah, mother Bugger. It's just that's another thing about perspective, right, because once you know a piece of knowledge without consider without the concept, the complete concept, you do your behavior changes, you know, it's like, I remember talking about this with religion. Right, you go to a you go to you go to Bible, Quran, and your the religious book and take out one line and run around with it. That line could be destructive if you don't know the whole you know paragraph. That's right. Right, so it's important the whole chapter, the whole chapter. So it's it's really important to know things are, not take things out of context because you don't know what the situation is. The same goes for me. Maybe that person does know a secret that I don't know about marketing. Maybe I could learn from that person,...

...but generally speaking, you know, chances are if I'm generally who understands marketing and the sender, the you know, mechanics of this system. You do you think you'd hear it a person out and so saying hey, I've got five thousand followers, on instagram. So clearly I'm a better market than you are. Not Really. You work at a cafe. He's not. That's not bad. What's if you go into the account, what usually comes up is, say, a few examples of what might come up on that person's account on the five zero and follows. Yeah, like what comes on, like out of linked three with the only fan and bunch of us and booms. Yeah, so not nothing else. Sels doesn't excel that. So maybe maybe I'm not a good marketer because I don't have I might even working in a world where we can, you know, in a world of the Conahians in the Jenda's right. You can become whoever you want. But say if you if you want to get booms by that behind in anyways. Think we're running or run an intern deep, deep hole there. But it's crazy. This is the podcast. Thank for before I let you wrap up, I wouldn't plug our brand new website, which is very high st it's it's the clever dummies podcastcom check it out. It's incredible design. We love the design we got. We gotta we got the whole podcast reefased, which is very exciting. Yeah, with our new energy it looks amazing. It looks amazing, it's catchy. I think people are loving it. So if you want to check it out, check out our website just to see what it looks like. It's a it's a, you know, mobile compatible APP, which I'm very excited about, because we doesn't love mobile compatible APP? That's miss podcast. Maybe check it out. And Yeah, if I might, you see it on the new logo. That's it. spotify. But if you don't have spotify, you can actually go to our website, which is me. I add mobile compatible. So check it out and, you know, thank you. Give us a shout out. Say Hello. You could be on our next podcast if you have a little for example, right I have my phone up right now and I go onto the website. WHAT DOES IT playoff? It just plays it on the website. That's the best one and you can and you can exit out of it. Is Brilliant. Abay ten dollars a month, or spotify. You don't need to have it iphone and podcast. You don't need to scroll through stitcher four hours. You can just go on the doubt, you can just go on the website. Just let me do more. What got about compatible and you know, dear, I say we have the mobile APP coming out soon. As Moll or, I was going to lead into that, but I needed you to obviously lead it because you're the one that you know all. You would know someone who would be behind the infrastructure. So more but mobile upcoming out soon. This is getting bigger and bigger. Budget away the future, man, and also it's the easy way to bring everything together in a lot of ways. So like, it just makes sense. I mean, we can wait for I mean either. I mean we're giving run for we're giving spotify run for their money. But I know they feel about it. Joe Rog it's a hundred million, hundred million dollar contract. Might look out, baby, they'll be fine, they'll we fight. Who thanks, brother, very good my yeah, we'll figure out the total. Don't worry about that. This has been a heap of fun, lovely work. Might have a very good night if you're listening to this, if it's during the day on the way to work, wherever you are. God Love You. Stay strong, stay in it. Thank you so much for you support. Checkers out on instagram, clever dummies, apple podcast, all the all the platforms on the website, on spotify, facebook, life coming soon, maybe maybe not. Lovely work and I give you money. Kiss for me. We're our baby.

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