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The CDP // Ep16: The Lessons learned ๐ŸŽ“

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In this episode of The Clever Dummies Podcast, Aneeqe A. Khan & Lachlan Inwood, Talk about the lessons of life learned in Bussiness. 

And thank you all for joining us for episode number sixteen of the clever dummies podcast. I'm lucky in as always, I'm joined by Nick, my brother. How are you going today, might, I'm good. By Man, I'm good. I'm good, enjoying life, as always, as much as I can in the great city of Victoria. Well, a great set, Melvin. Word. Yeah, anyone who's been there, pre pret pret covid absolutely knows that for sure. And I'm in. At the end of the day, you guys are just on the front line. You're kind of unfortunately, the people that were you know, have had to take it just is or it is might we I'm just happy to talk to it's been like a little bit of a rough, rushy couple of weeks. Like it all of us feel like the Times kind of flying by a bit, but it's good at sit down with you now, I might say, a smile on your face. The people are only hearing this. We appreciate you guys listening on spotify and all that, Yahoo and and caren on different sort of things. So we appreciate your listening time of the week generally when we do it. So thank you, by the might. I can what's how deep do you want to get into a might? Do want to get into the day to day of your life, or do you just want to brush over and kick onto the episode? Made Ali dance floor to you? I I'll brush over the past few weeks. Yeah, just because I would feel like you hit the kneel on the head there when you said they've been rushy few weeks. So they've sort of buss few weeks and I think I've we did our last episode, funny enough. funnily enough, they haven't actually aired yet, the last episode, but it, I keep saying, like saying aired, like we on radio. Yeah, duly, it is. What would we call it? Published? Now probably see a published it. It is good. I'M gonna go by it's in there. So they here, they have been. They haven't aired yet. So it's just been. It's just been. Days have been blending for me with all in this one big Tuesday or Wednesday. It just feels like it's a one big Wednesday. This feels like a one big, you know, Hump Day. So that's what's kind of feels like that because Wednesday normally was like not too stressful, because you've made it for the hardest part of the week, but you know you're still got to keep grinding. So it's like a bit of a Middle Week. You can get on the person regretted for the rest of the week where you can stay sober. It is. That's a great analygy matter. This Wednesday. Every day people yea, it is fucking tell on Wednesday, right, we need is pressed exactly right that it's what day is. It's a Wednesday. That's a new thing. Hashtag lever dummy is podcast baby. So look that that's the thing right. And I have been busy, which is good, and I'm actually past few days I've been a lot, like a pretty good mental space and actually, funnily enough, this new wave of me being productive started from our first episode on this record, like you know, return podcast for the clever dummies, and since then I've been writing this productive wave and I just feel in a good head space. So you really makes you realize something small as a podcast, doing a podcast, can difference, it can make to your life. Maybe we could do a whole episode about the benefits of doing a podcast. Hundred percent preach there's nothing better than listen to a podcast and hearing about how good podcasts are. I'll tell you why. Because are actually that good. And Yeah, a hundred percent right. And it's not until you start sort of doing one, even as a little bit of a Giggle, you realize how fucking great they are. And it's just because they bloody great platforms to just chat and speak for an hour or two hours and, you know, like not be really on our phone or anything like that, and usually they come across as better listening. I don't know about you, but I enjoy him a bit more now than music. Like music will get me go on before the gym if I need it, but generally I like to hear people to have a conversation. Must be growing a thing, because I remember, I guess, My Dad, you're listening to two g being to gadly, to Gb a seven, three. Yeah, yeah, my dad listening to to GB and I used to be like why would anyone in their right mind listen to that? Yeah, but now, no, I get it right, because I listened to like, you know, political stuff. And Yeah, so it's been. It's been was kind of wing politics, but on my or TV, like on Instar, or do you go on more? For All my person I'm on my person, but I try to stay away from one particular source and I just I've made a conscious decision to not do like subscribe, mentally subscribe ripe to a person who I get my news off, because I feel like there's like a butt like social influence. I'm trying to stay like make my own decisions and judgments, goals and different things. That's a really good point. Say That again, because that's something that by a lot of people need to probably hear what recently I've learned, especially after this, because there's been a lot of theories and have different people have different opinion, and what I feel like when people start talking about something, I try not to mentally subscribe to one particular source where they be like a real radio station or a certain influencer or a comedian, per...

...se, like different whatever right, because if you subscribe to one person's mentality, you just start taking in what they believe and I'm trying to really see, trying hard to actually look at the truth versus opinion based journalism. Yeah, so what you can I like I found that with Instagram, like if you follow like a maybe a political commentator on Instagram, that's usually the most popular one. So they've entertainment, but they could politically based, like your emotions, and you tend to like the person or you like what they're saying, but you need to separate it a hundred percent, because they're two separate things. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I feel like, and that was one of my problems that I found earlier on in the past few years, was I was I was leaning too much towards easy source of information. So easy source of information. I've sort of classified this in my own little excel it right, that's right. So, sorry, click by so, click bead. Right. So I've isolated like so information sources. For example, take this, for example, you've got you've got an instagram post, right, just with like picture and words on it. You know, I would say that's got about on a scale of one to ten, about a two validity of how much information that you can believe, because I want to see how hard it was to produce that information, right, you know. So the second one is second one is, you know, a video, a video like a more of an indepth video, maybe might be three to four. Then you looking at a news article, which is like actually like a lengthy news article. That would have actually required some sort of research and references. Maybe that's a six or seven. Then you looking at a you know, Pod, like a book, which is probably at a high like eight, because you know the person would have had actually to work almost a year to write that book in order to will like will validate the opinion, sometimes longer depending on who it is, and sometimes longer right. But that doesn't necessarily over me like, because you could read a book that's probably just all opinion based anyway, because most you know, the point is atually sit in between like a good journal Article and and and a book. It's sort of like it's a library, but it's not everything, because obviously, yeah, but it's like you can get in pace, especially if they if you listen to a good podcast with an author or something like that, and they explain how they break down, like making a book. I've had fucking some really good ones, probably for should neutrogress ties, and I think, yeah, he does that well, Oh yeah, he's brilliant man. So I think podcasts are probably up there because they take effort and not anyone can just jump on and talk, because you actually need to look at topics and talk about and have some sort of indepth knowledge to be able to talk about it for an hour. So that's that's that's what I've been sort of like categorizing information sources, and the simple, simplest way to categorize your information sources is how easy it was for you to get it. If it just showed up in your news feed. Chess is out, it's already being categorized for you to see. Yep, yeah, you're getting it because you clicked on telling us, and that's part of yeah, how the information gets you in the first place. That's exactly right. Like, let me give you a small example. Not many people would know right now. Basically, there's a google. There's a war against Australian governments with Google. I thought it was Chinese and Google. Now I thought it was. That's Austrayer and they yeah, okay, okay, what is this? A Google versus Australian government. So basically what has happened is Australian media. I don't know the indepth so I'm going to be here. This is what I'm thinking. Career here. Yeah, yeah, I'm I don't know too much about it, but what I know is from what I understood and if you guys. Everyone should look into it. See, that's what I'm promoting. Everyone should look into it. What I understood was what was happening there is basically Australian the big network TV's have come together, network channels have come together. You got the nine channel, nine, that the tense, and all those, whatever those people are, have come together and ask the government that they deserve to get paid for all the search traffic in regards to the news that shows up on Google. Yeah, so, YEP, and Google says, well, no, and then Google said, no, you don't, because that's our platform. Yeah, with the platform and this the world, because we hold the contents. So we should get paid. and Google say no, and then they said okay, well, not only that, we also want the data of our search results. That actually anything that shows up with our search. Yeah, a lot of things to a lot of companies. Don't do that today. Yeah, so still in governments. Yeah, Australian government ask whate to Google. Said, well, you need to release the data to the media company. Google goes, Oh God, you know. So Google release this public letter to Australia saying that this is what your government is asking. Would do what you will with this and they basically went out public with it. Now another thing that I would like to mention the I've got the letter right in front of us. So if you what do you think? Like do you think? What do you think that's going to lead to? Do Do you think the US government's going to back down or are we going to say strike take on something different? I honestly hope that Australian government backs down because messing...

...with Google is probably a very dangerous territory, and I'll explain why. One of the things that I just realize it's I'll tell you what has google done? So most of these media companies, news channel, make their money. Obviously they make their money from their selling ads themselves, but a lot of their website adds are sold to Google, Google adsense, and that's how it works right. So when I when I let's say as a marketer, when I place ads on Google, what ends up happening is Google will place adds on website that are monetized. So so, for example, channel nine is monetized, so that what will happen is Google will place ads on their side and because there's such a high traffic on their website, they'll get paid. Yep, that's how. That's how the add yeah, that's how. This's a so recently, what Google did? Google said when they is this is a global pandemic and a global disaster. So what we're going to do is we're going to cancel monetization on any on the word coronavirus. So anyone who says the word coronavirus or use the word cover ninety coronavirus, Google won't pay the money. Just like it's no, yeah, Youtube is done. Yes, same thing. So so basically what the news channels are getting annoyed about is because the right now, is the time they would be making shit on the money, right, they would be making shit down the money, but Google has this basically cancel them. It's when, I'm saying, alive. You can argue, yeah, there's always of copy right, because normally previous cases the media company this has been their prospering time for media companies, for like those news channels, because they that's how they make their money, and but right now they're drying out because Google won't pay them money. Google said no, no one needs to make money on coronavirus. And one of the arguments that people are having right now and so many people are getting pissed off about it. When I say people, I mean mostly just news channel companies. Is If you look up covid nineteen on Google. Is this just in Australia or is it is this? This is face is right, this is majority in Australia, because that's been in government. Actually, ask Google. Other government haven't. So let's really do anything like this, this bold outside of that effects. Something so like that'll get you know, usually it's a few Western cultures will lead, you know, either England or America. Then we'll follow their tailer for us to do this up front. But shows you, I think, to the financial influence that maybe those media Orcas I organizations have in Australia. So I don't know. Well, that's Australia. I think there's a reason behind it. I think Australia is a little bit behind on the complete Internet game, if you notice, because the really think about it, we're only just catching up to other countries in regards to Amazon, just to all different things, because all the big text stuff startups where in America. So we're just late on the catch up. I mean even trying to, like I was telling you, even trying to set up all Myne ECOMMERCE system in Australia seeming to be difficult because we don't have as much facilities as other countries yet. So that's probably where we're behind and that's probably why the news companies still have such a huge influence versus the Internet taking over completely. Great Point and obvious that we know that the BACO, in terms of the NBA and in getting decent connection speech, committed to the rest of the world. So that's such a step in the start of it. Well, that's exactly what I mean. And then the last thing is we're just so far out there, like which is the deep down in the corner, you know? Yeah, so that's obviously issue as very also, it just a lot of US posie battlest to. So she'll be right. Mat once it's it will figure it out. Where get a little bit lazy sometimes. So maybe that's it. That's exactly what you know. You want. One is they just too many sick days and they just don't work it hard enough. Well, that's one thing I notice about Sydney moving is like you don't see nowhere near as many of them. I used to see so many down in like a sieve and Hassle Grove. So it's like you'd see so many of those boys out there. The thing is, like you just look at look at us. Well, what happens? The problem is when we see slow Internet, we're like yeah, she'll be all right, one bigger bite in the second, like look at these, what it go and never smoke and come back and she'll be right my well, just have a beer, wait while my movie downloads. Yeah, see, I remember having a weight like the length of a movie, like it would take like a megabyte a second. All that. That's yeah, yeah, look, I wouldn't say it's as the as a country where at for to some reason. But I think there's just the situation. That's why the news companies and just still have enough leverage. Another thing is that thing is keeping my Australia still has has a high population of the generation before us and in Australia, for the generation before us through me are still respected. Versus other countries, they're not as respected as well. If you'd think about it, in Australia we actually respect our previous generation sort of like that's perhaps because we kind of have that Asian influence as well. So we we actually intact influence as well and happen sort of thing and just the that it's one thing that I have in common is they like, like I seen as obviously saying as the elders, but they're saying...

...is the respected people in their community. So they've given a higher value. You know, I guess in people's minds it's that's definitely something that you say change like the way that people interact with early now and everything. That's exactly right. Sweat. I think Australia has still sort of held that value, which is good to see stay still. Our parents generation still holds our value. So the which the problem with that? Only what I'm saying. There's no problem what I'm saying. What happens? The repercussion of that is that our parents generation get their news from nine news and challenge salmon and all those people right in redly on to Gebre. We had you on to GB so, which is why they are still people like channel nine and Channel Salmon and ABC are still able to move political power in that sense. Yeah, so that's whatever where I was getting at now, what I was going to what my original point was. So if you look up covid nineteen. So a lot of news companies are getting pissed off for about that is Google is just giving away stats right on the center page, at the main front. You don't even have to go anywhere. You just look up covid nineteen. You just see the stats straight away. Yeah, they're they're all like if I look up something like stats from certain time periods, stats for whatever individual state, they're all broken down and you can get it pretty much every month. That's going on right. So yeah, straight on Google. So one thing I guess we're in a good position is most of the ones we're getting as government. I'm getting mostly government website. So not getting a lot of just bloody random ones. They can do their own shit. So I'm sure you might live in certain parts of the world and you might get the opposite. Well, that's what that's what another argument Google is having goose. Google's prioritizing sites and they are also pissed off about that. The God, that's all financial. That's how they make their money again, because that's the their business in a sense, right, like that's their business model. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right. So that's what's happening. So that's a little bit of an update on what's happening out there in the world. So I think the media won't talk about that, obviously because they want to keep that under wraps. But Google has obviously declared war. Really, I mean what a segue like? Would we go to Yahoo or something like? No, no, we won't. Really. Basically what Google is saying is would they will start giving away our data if the still in government says we have to to those people. So I don't have a lie. have a read of that. So if you guys are listening to this podcast and that's the base about right, so that that? Yeah, who's the paper that are wanting the data? The so you've got those big news companies. So I'll show because that's how they're going to yeah, to get out here. Yes, the big news companies, because that sets a present span. Like you can do that now and other people come in with money or influence and then all of a sudden your dad is going everywhere else. Like do you subscribe to any mainstream news sites, like internationally event like New York Times, or have ever done any of that? Now, man, now, I'm honest. I'm it's a weird though because I might sound like one of those crazy people, but I'm honestly not. I would. If I had a channel nine article pop up, I'll read it, but if something I read didn't stick with me right, I will go look it up. So another way. But I try not to be a fan of a particular news source. Yeah, hundred and I tried really hard, like consciously try hard. And when I want, are you I use? How you wording it differently? You or you searching for certain sites that are got use? Yeah, that's sort of yeah. Yeah, I'm actually searching. Yeah, searching for sites like different articles on similar topics, and I just normally what I would do. I'd open look up something and opened like three new tabs of the different conversations of different newsmen see what's kind of more accurate. Yeah, just trying to figure that out and I feel like that's I'm not saying that. I'm not trying to be a dick or like a trying to like, you know, blow my own two or two, is that what it is? And Horned. Yeah, to my own here. One of the thing is, like I feel like, as beep as public, it's our responsibility to actually try to get the right instead of just, you know, to get the right information. Otherwise, you know, it onto a little bit of two diligence, right, like don't get take the first thing right, first meal that they give you, and take a little deeper. That's exactly right. That like a basically found in the middle pages. That's what I heard. My you got to get a four and five. Those independence that aren't don't have a lot of money to advertise. That's where you find the gems, Unsi. Conspiracy theories. It is a just tread game. That's that's it. That I was just about to get to that. You don't want to go too into the to like any just random sources either, because then they they've got noble duty, they've got all opinion, but basically like just let me tell you. So, if you look up open letter to Australia from Google, it's actually signed by the Mel Sylvia, managing managing director of Google Australia. So that's her name shadow. So she's if you're listening. I'm sure she is. My Google just said hey, how can I help?...

They're listening always. So open letter to Australia said we need to let you know about about new government regulation that will hurt Australia on how Australia uses Google search and Youtube. The proposal law, proposed law, the news media bargaining bargaining code would face US would force us to provide with dramatic wood wide you, with dramatically worth Google search and youtube anyway. They go on. So look at either service, right. So they're not going to get towards to the service. Yeah. Yeah, so they're taking a pre seriously. I mean like writing that kind of lacted to a whole country, you know, how to seriously digging it. How close it must be that it could happen to their like this is like and once this happens, like yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's something to think about. And obviously news you want to tell you about it because they want this one to underwaps, because otherwise there people, because people love ye, people like Google. They don't like news companies. Anyway. It is this, this is kind of business in this which it kind of brings us right into the I think, with perfect timing as well, kind of brings us into the topic of hand, which was I guess we'll have a flight through that one today, I guess. Yeah, now that's all good man, it'll that, it'll fit through or I reckon and and I guess kind of just offf air as well, kind of catching up a little, because it's been a little while since we've talked. That's really what you've been doing, men like you've been digging into your your personal life and what you're wanting to achieve, and that's obviously your business, and you've come into certain issues that I'd imagine most people who have gone into similar lines have gone like felt the same thing. Drummer the like to you, even company. I still follow their Seo one instagram. Yeah, he's a pretty, yeah, pretty solid dude, Currubi, his name is. And Yeah, and it's just a daily grind and you're going for it now and and then you showed me, like what you've done. You've written a awesomitted an article, which I'm sure you're going to talk about, which is pretty cool and it's interesting stuff. So bloody take it away, might and yeah, just just sounds speak from the heart. My friend might that you don't have to it, you don't have to be to buy the book or I might want on the clever damage podcast. We've got free Rome. We don't we don't need a hold back or right. So if anyone, I will in this short might weaken, we could call them out like a sounds good, let's do it. Okay. So, obviously, you know, working on business and I think this is something I've learned about myself in this particular lockdown. I guess you learn a lot about yourself when you're doing minimal stuff and well, you doing stuff and not really you know, you're not really engaging with other people. So I'm kind of been I've been. Right now, I'm sitting on this my desk where I work and talking to lack and basically that's where I've been sitting most of the time, spending most of my days here, and I've been just tinkering, and that's the word that I've been going for, is tinkering. When I say tinkering, I've always been a bit of a tinker. Tinker, we're just kind of play with different things. See, you read about the stinks it. That's definitely what she said. I've always been the kind of person who, you know, looks at different things like I've never been pretty much what has this been the theme of this kind of podcast? I've never been the kind of person who sticks to one thing, because this is it like a never commute. And it's not that I have a communing issue, but I just like seeing different things, what different things play out. And we're not going to bring out the relationships yet. Might we got to get the other aver. That's that's exactly right. So I gonna bring out, yeah, like a brim that she's gonna have to part two. That was one of my favorite episodes to I think I was like episode night and something like that, so that I can check it out if anyone, if you're listening and haven't listened to that was a really good episode. And what was its one? Like relationships, love, sex. So yeah, so all the stuff, and she's such an intelligent person. So it's really good to kind of get like I was actually turned to her different yeah, yeah, I was actually talking to her about getting back on the podcast. She's breaking. So my bringer next week there that would be a mad one of the bank up. We can just shoot it out like a money or Wednesday or something. What's all? Hot Day? Yeah, will release it on Hunt Day. Sounds sounds good. Sounds good. Yeah, so just going to talking about that right. So, always been before tinker. So and I've been playing around with multiple businesses, despite the fact that someone, everyone has given me twice to stick to one, which I actually have figured out that I need to do. But I've also figured out a way to manage multiple businesses. What I've learned is that these different things required different level of attention. So, all the despite the fact that I could focus on one business, but if I focus a hundred percent or one business, I would be just sitting around doing nothing. So, which is fine. So that's why, you know, for example, Bomby box doesn't require twenty four seven hours of attention. Bombay box is more so is more of a management once you create the company, right, Yep, you just kind of key, just get your messages in, you make sure your things on time, just kind of like manage it from from that perspective, from their right. That's that's exactly right. So and you know, I'm thinking a lot about it, and I was thinking about was like what have I really, you know, gathered from like past fee...

...like I think I've been around own business, in and around business, the word that I've used is almost for five six years now, right. So whether I've started working at a company. I didn't really work correct in like ninety five jobs where I just directly did like Admin. So I've always been more like business lie involved, which I've been lucky to lucky to be involved. So shout out to Alan for that, because he was the person who, kind of, like CAAP mentioned, absolutely legit right way, sort of a mentor and a sense right, like hundred percent. Yeah, he's hundred percent my mentor. I think it's is probably the only mentor that I would there's a that's see, that's the heart thing. I've got a few mentors, right, but he's probably the one that has always just kept me motivated. So shut up to him and in the areas the way you needed right and what you say, I guess early days. Don'tna steer too far off, but just kind of keep what keeps it going. I guess, like what's your favorite element of business that you first did, all used to do today, that you enjoy the most? Creating the product, or is it what's I think it's every part, even just a moment. Yeah, it's just actually the word that I just said, tinkering, actually angry like that prayer, because the reason I use tinkering is because I playing around with different things and different ideas, different opportunity, which is the best part, and that's what I was just saying. Alan gave me the opportunity to do that even when I was working full time job as a you know, essentially even when I started as employee, he gave me the opportunity to tinker and try out different ideas and try out different things. Some work, some doesn't. You know, sometimes I made mistakes. So time is cost companies money. Sometimes it coust me money, sometimes we will disappointed. Right, yea, but I mean that's part of the business, right, as part is like love business, and that's exactly right. That's exactly right. So, and I think that's why I this podcast was going to be. I want to talk about the lessons I've learned so far in business, right, and they this is going to be pretty clear podcast because I've got them listed out here. So I think this actually article that I wrote about it as well. So will link this in the homework s section on the our website, which is check it out. The clever dume is podcastcom awesome new website. Love it, still in love with it so much. Under give it a little search. Just check out. It's amazing. It's just saying it on one day might just like having that vision is like a vision board and having something up to saying that we're proud of. To so it gives that a CO obviously, our instagram coming along nicely to so might. It's all things happening. But yeah, we got a special place in our half of that body website. So give us some love, baby, give us some love. Yeah, look, you give us some love now. Okay, the first, first lesson that I've learned, and this is being I've learned this the hard way. My man like I can't tell you I've learned this the hard way. That the lesson that I've learned. My ideas, or your ideas or anyone ideas aren't original. And this is this hurts. This hurts right. This hurts. The reason I say that is because I and this is what I said. So, if I had a dollar for every time I came up with a groundbreaking idea that was going to change the word and that was going to make millions, that was going to make billions, if I do doN'tar, for every time, I would actually be Jeff Bezz and I wouldn't have to worry about working anyway, Jeremy, because every you just come up with so many ideas. Well, I personally do, and then I have to assess them and sometimes I don't act on them, and maybe that's maybe that's the problem. I think the key is it doesn't matter what kind of idea like this. There are so many things right like and when you're really going to that place, like, there's so many things that come up. So you do definitely miss that opportunity. But and that's why it's important to take them. But it's also important to to not go to crazy on one like get, get, get the right people have like an allen you know, or someone that you know or trust, or someone that's built a business, even if it's like a local, local trade, or someone who's an account who knows what it's like to run a business. Like, do that process first, save some of that hunt. Yeah, you might. It's run the idea by you, by someone, someone, particularly someone who's you know, maybe someone not like it. What I would say? Probably not an accountant. So, because I've got a stand with like, I know the reason. I'll tell you why it's did not. Probably not regarding because the contains are cynical. They're like yeah, probably, yeah, that's that's point. Fair. Point is so maybe run running fast as how about that? Yeah, yeah, run past, run the idea past someone, someone that you trust. Maybe we few friends, and if all of your friends say yes, then maybe it's a good idea. The thing is, if you come up with the good idea, you will stick with it as well. Otherwise you'll just put it on the back burners. And I've done it all the time. I've started projects just put in the back burness because I've realized that idea, despite the fact that I thought it was really good, didn't have enough push to keep going. But what's important to remember is the idea doesn't have to be so unique that it's the only idea in the world. The key is just to remember that you just need to make it work right. It has to be different enough and has to be unique enough or just be better than the other ideas. Like I mean the example that I used in my article was apple was in the first company that came up...

...with ipod, but they're the only company that ever anyone talks about that invented the ipod. Right. The first company was act, first company was actually a Singapore based company. I can't remember what their name was, but they was life music or something like that, and they made sound devices. I think them or Sony, where the one. They came up with the device, but no one talks about them because they just didn't do as good of a job. So, you know, I think it's easy to just think that my ideas need to be original. I don't think they need to be. I think they can be unique enough and just doing better. That's what the key is, I think. And if you feel passionate about the idea that's been done thousands time before, you could do it better. I think that's the key. And actually driving it to write, like getting through the Times that you need to and write blocks and mental barriers and just life. Right. Yeah, well, that's that's exactly right. And if you don't have that passion, if you do the idea because everyone else is doing you'll get to the point when it's like not making money, it's all just outgoings, there's no incoming. You're like well, you'll start giving up, but if you actually keen about that idea and you passionate about it, you'll keep going. So that was the first lesson I learned and that kind of hurt me because I almost thought always it was disheartened because I always saw myself as a as a individual who always came up with original ideas and I always thought I would different. Yeah, but then I realize the unique and individual to yourself. Right, that's exactly right. They but down the chambers are like, what was it that made you think of that idea? And they also had it. Like how do you subconsciously known about it? Is it just because you know you're getting to experience life in certain way and then you think there's a problem and then someone's already solved it, like that's exactly right. Yeah, but it's good. That's exactly means you're on a level of thinking like beyond what you're at like your age or normal development would be. Yeah, that's exactly like one of the one of the examples. I won't do. That's actually very good point. Look after that. That actually I just that just actually fit my thinking on that. Actually, over the whole thing, not be positive about it, bud, if that's what I'm here for. I just started, so that's it's the hundred percent trup here, but that's a positive way to look at the whole thing nowther. But the fact is, like, for example, one of the project, and that's that's another thing. People hold on to the ideas and they never tell anyone, and that's where ideas go to die. You better of telling your ideas to someone, even if someone steals it, because that thing will happen where says you just holding on to it because you saw protective, because you want to make that happen. Like one of the things that I was just about to say. One of us, whatever, whatever, stops paper. Right. Yeah, okay, so I just that was just the one the ideas that I was just about to say. It's like I came up with the idea of designing this financial software called financially, and I'm speaking about in a podcast. If you want to steal it, go for it. But one of the idea, what the things that I came up with? Right, I said that I build an accounting systems, if it gets big, ten percent kickbacks. Baby. I've been it came from its percent for the shit. Please just please write. Well, if I told read an ad for you on the show, I have after unfortunately not from me. Check it out. So financially was a s software I came up with, which is a software. So obviously companies use accounting system and they have business plans for our business, right, and they have projection and everything. And I thought to myself, I said, why could not individual do that for themselves, like why couldn't we come up with a life plan and we come up with like a three year life plan, like we do a three year business plan and we the way we do accounting for a business. Why couldn't we do it personal? I was like, oh, that's a great idea. One should do it, and then I started looking into it, I realize how difficult it was to make the propos the software is self. And second someone has already done it. So that's done it right. Yeah, not many out there, but someone's has already definitely done it. So if you can be grate a way to do it, like competitions, always good. It has right happens with like after pay, now sit pay everything else, to say out like that thing or push hard. So after they started it. Yeah, that's the idea. You the idea is like no ideas really original, because there's almost eight billion people in the world. Someone's already thought about it. In fact, I can guarantee there's always already someone younger with tent out, smarter than both of all three of US combines, third person being the one who's listening right now, and me and lock Cleb come my, smarter than us. It's probably thirteen year old, lives in somewhere in India. Yeah, doesn't have breakfast and is still smarter than us. Is already come up with everything and he's gonna that's a real is got to part out of these tray as is. That's good. So look, that's the reality of Clever Timy sportcasts, also known as the Clamor Times podcast. Eighteen plus. Yeah, this, yeah, there's clever and there's the damage. Man, it's a two piece. That's right, it really is. So look, that's the first lesson and that was a hard one to learn. And moving on to the second one. Once again, I think the reason all these lessons are quite painful for me personally. That's why I wrote them out. The second lesson I learned, and that's what the lessons are always if they're painful. And I'm going to scheme over this one because this is I think most people notice, and I think I was the one who was a little...

...bit more like or I need to do every so the second lesson I learned was you don't need to do everything on your own, like I thought, and I still didn't. I was like, I'm just going to do everything now cause I will do it better. I'm going to do it, you know, and to the point, like creating logos, the things that not even my my field, I would try to do because I just think I can do it better. You, yeah, some in your head, you know what you want, but it's putting that into practice. That's yeah, that's exactly that's exactly right, like and doing some things. But I realize over the years like I could probably spend my time, I could spend my time better on doing one particular thing, like a different thing, than actually doing something that I have to learn then to do and then to produce a product like, which is give it to someone. Like something small that I did few days ago. There was a logo that I was trying to get done for a first client, right and and I was just trying to do it and I got really it was like, man, I think it's probably better if I just get someone else to do it. So I just paid someone on fiver and did it. Like they did a brilliant job and they did way better than job than I was doing. So whatever we using, I was I was using illustrator, illustrator hacker, yeah, and stater. So yeah, like, I guess in the business that you're running now, the businesses that you currently are what, if what it? What the air is that you've delegated so far? Well, I'm the strength off right, like what are they are is that use? How much of that, if you put in the practice for yourself? Well, I'm trying to outplay most of the content creation and most of the content ideology and the look and feel of the brands to terrence. That's one thing I'm doing. So I'm really trying to let off that. And then I know, yeah, that's that's like visual imagery. That's marketing in a big part. But it's also like the like to feel the company too, and like almost the it's just the mouthpiece of the company, right, it's the external that's exactly what that attract people, get people interested in also provide quality, you know, provide the courts ex help. Is this hundred percent shout out to tell you course charter chants, and he's got a better visual eye than I do as well. It's got a better way to see images and photos. It makes sense. And then, so I'm trying to do that. Some bloody witchcraft under his eyes might he's got some super things. When I just pick things up, doesn't he goes off. He's a cheese. That genius merit. So from terrence Mont Tohu says, what about having on here? We should just get him. Should just get him on the fishing line all day and just try to Jaim up my once he comes out of his show. I love it. I love the man that they're so sharing, a good man of your loyal listeners. I keep packet steering the Shit. That's why. That's it. Well, that's what we want for sure. And then that's what I'm trying to do. Another one is I'm trying to let go an outsource a lot more the things that I've I'm having difficulties with so as well. So, which is without whatever may be like. For example, I'm trying to build a website and I need a custom work done. Instead of trying to find the code and try to quote it myself, just outsourceet to someone who's that's what they do. Like, no, it's custom work, so I just get someone else to do the custom work and just pay them and, like it's just the time I spent on trying to learn how to fix something is way more. It was better spent on doing the things that I'm already doing and actually hanging out and doing podcasts and talking to friends and all that kind of stuff. So, if your life makes sense, save, but if we actually too, you can. That's exactly right. Not spready selftooth in, because it can and I lose some of that creative direction, right, a little bit if you try to do too many things at once, like you spend a lot of mental energy, and then he kind of need that for your tinkering, like you need that mental expenditure to beat to use it. Yeah, because I want to be able to do a year, and that's exactly right, and I need that time to tinker. Otherwise I just be doing stuff and I wouldn't experience and come up with new ideas. Yeah. So, and like another thing I was gonna just going to say, and other people are terence is just literally more skilled than I am in imagery. So since I would never be. I wouldn't as just I'm just not good adds as he is. Not because I can't be, it's just because he's spend more time on that, learning that, and I've spend more time learning. You know, actually spend more time learning why. So that's that's what it is. And and actually empower him to do that, because he's there and that's what he does. So you tend to awards what for sometimes comes more comfortable, right, like if you find you have an interest or something that you find comes a little easier to learn, you might go there, and that's well, that's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right. And now, now this one is the one that I think people are going to get pissed off at, specially some of the people. I don't give a shit. This is what the hard run legs. I don't give a shit about this one. Right, all about every reason this is. This is the reason I mentioned this one is because it's just pisses me off. fucking passive income. Everyone talks about it. Passive income, right, or get yourself a passive income, source income string passive income. Passive income does not fucking exist. That's a flat out of fact that it's just no other way to put it. Anyone who tells you passive income exist is probably full of shit and or or can't. got a million dollars from his parents and I yeah, sure he's got income. Yeah, what's an examples asive income, like creating a business. Well, people treat people talk about passive...

...income in a sense where it's something that you earn money while you sleep. It's what this example they use. Yeah, my problem with Pacific income is is defining. When you define best income that way, you said, well, you don't have to do anything, you just set it up once and that's it. And a lot of people treat that it is like all start at Amazon business. I'm sure you would have seen all these ads and you got all these online gurus selling these courses through you know, courses down to three thousand, Nin hundred and ninety nine, thinking the yeah, they hit the yeah, and as old tactics, man, it's like they don't change at all. It's they still using that same bullshit sales, he shit getting people in. That's exactly right, and that's the whole thing. Like what, what's this video to the end? If you want to find out how to make tenzero but a week while you sleep at home. Sign up to my court to learn more, just for three hundred and ninety nine, which used to be six hundred ninety nine, just for you today, because I know you're different. Like I am here in my garage. I fought a been here my garage exactly right. Would go mad if it was in a worst case scenariom at we had to scramble your last dollar that you could make, it had to be for a company like that. What would be something you'd come up with, made and try to drive home? Is there anything you've ever floated? If you ever thought about going down there and post on instagram and trying to sell things? Or now I like, I would like one us. Yeah, yeah, it too much and take any brow, too much integrity. And another thing is that's not how I want to do business. People like one of the things that when people are telling me is doing like one product shops as well, like you find a product that is like trending, like remember how fidget spinners were trending. So you just sell that and you sell trending items, and I also see that, as as I see all that, as like a cheap business because they're not built. You're not building a brand, you just really just capitalizing on something small, even foundation, right, like he's a lot of stability. Yeah, I like my goal is to build a powerful brand and like something like, you know, apple or Google or something like. That's my goal. That's my goal. So I can't really waste my time building those little tiny, you know, something that makes me ten thousand dollars in a week, but that's about it. Like you know, I think it's better to build more valuable things in longer period of time that will be sustainable in a there, will be self sustained and won't damage other people, won't damage my business integrity, won't damage my reputation because you know the way I did. Like cheap business your integrity, and it's just like the commitment to it, if you're committing to something for life or if you're putting really your you know, your whole life into a business, like you want that to mean something and not just great. Like understand why people use it as way to make quick money and they can drive off that and some people would definitely why differently. But well, most people just trying to escape hard work. That's right. Yeah, that's a great point too. I'm maybe I'm a bit too nice, bit hilarious. That's that's that's what I'm saying and that's what I learned. I said I look for those secrets and I was like I'm going to go find those secrets how to make the tenzero a week. So if it's a sustainable then I would, I would be doing it. But I haven't found anything. But I've been tinkering a lot to find something. I mean what I'm telling you is like passive income. Is None of the ways. They say, like you can make tenzero. You're not. Even if they show you the screenshit of Tenzero, they saying, yes, they weren't tenzero. But are they talking about? Is that the gross profit or is that the net profit? Because I can tell you they're not calculated on their DASHBOARDS. When they show you the stats, they're not showing you the cost of the product. They could be selling at loss. Yeah, but you think the sale price. So you know, you know what I mean. So let's say if something apple cost a dollar and you know they sell ten apples at fifty cents, you like, oh the like. They're making money, but they didn't tell you the apple cost a dollar and they sold for fifty cents. Yeah, they end up losing that. Yeah, right, right, yeah, so they're even if they showing you screenshots, they most of them are bullshit because, a, they're not telling you about tax, they're not telling you about the dude diligency if you have to go through, because I can tell you now I set up the shop. There's laws that can actually get you for selling your products that Shit. So what I'm saying is that you can't just sell anything you have. Every product had to be yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear it. So you might do would that be in a sense where you would sauce it from somewhere where the product was not cleared? Or is it you're not doing your own quality assurance checks? Like, well, let's let's put somethings more. Let's put it this way. Right, for example, if you were selling a dog toy that's going viral, right, and you buy the dog toy, and if that dog toy and you didn't know what kind of plastic was being used in that dog yet, right, right, and and if somehow someone took it to a testing laboratory and then turned out it wasn't a BP approved for our to be a dog toy, right, even if it was just like few items that went to a particular countryes on difficult fine, then you've got a lawsuit against you myself. Wow, so that's like cause. Obviously. So anything to do with living things has to be a BP, a proved, like toys and whatnot. Ye, especially if they're going to be like dog chewing doors or like for kids or whatever, like, yeah, baby stuff like that would be...

...fucking the diligence. That's exactly that's it. That's exactly right. So people talk about those easy ways of making money and money while you sleep. My thing is, why do you want to make money while you sleep? What are you? Like? They want to I want to see at a beach. Why? Like, why do you want to see that this gets sandy after a while? Yeah, got it from an hour, like the vision they have, like maybe it like a holiday they went on or something like that, and they have this kind of vision of what their life will be if they do this. But that's not the real happiness. It's getting working hard to get to that place. That's really where it's yeah, and that's has to business to write like you have to bet. Yeah, happiness. Happiness wasn't launching bomby box. For me, happiness was right working through the progress. I was so excited for like three months because because I was just working on something exciting. So that was exciting for me. You're learning, my dree. Yeah, in fact, yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'll learning. I learned about logistics, I learned about all these new things that I had to learn about, and that was so whether it be, you know, whether you say well, Hey, you spend like a you invested like, you know, Fourzero, or whatever right would did. I I could say I spend fourzero in getting company up. I could also say I basically did a course on ECOMMERCE for Fourzero, because now I know everything about key commerce and I probably know more than what they would have taught me a uni, because I had to go and do it and speak to the people over phones, emails, I said, to speak to people in China and people I need for yeah, yeah, you're going ahead and doing that work, jumping in fat and full stay ahead, learning on the job stuff. That's exactly so I probably know a lot more like logistical commerce in certain or now, because I did that. The point is, he's there's no easy way out and that's more fun to do anyway. But I mean there are few ways to do like the passive income. But it's my col right. So I make money from shore, from my website, because I help other people set up shops, right, and so I make money and they pay me like twenty four dollars a month or something like that, right, but that's nothing. That's not going to pay any bills or whatever. I mean, it's nice. It's a nice addition to just have that little twenty four dollars coming coming in. It's probably just, you know, offset some of my bills. Super Nice, but I don't call that, you know, passive income. It's passive income. Will never be large enough that you can just go do got on a beach, because it's not passive, then it can't be passing, it can't be bad. So it's toxy Moore on, as I'd say it. Man, that's a that's it. That's it. You put a very nicely and then not. The last one is like me so and another one is like medium. I was just telling you about writing article medium. Medium pays me like I think it's like fo cents per visit of a read write once again at the end of the year. They may be me like twenty two dollars or thirty dollars. It's shit all, it's something, but it's not best. Like like you, you hit the mark there once again, lock like that, your own. What point do they make on it up that? You know, I don't know whole much, a whole bunch about the intricacies of running a business. So generally, my import like I'm trying not to speak at some my my realm, but the way you're breaking down is perfect understanding completely. So I'm just I'm trying what you're saying into a boy might and I think we work really but that was that was yeah, that was well done too, but as well broken down and at the end of the day, like it, every every point that you made there came back to a key principle of like why you're doing this for and the reason, and then they all just got it has to fall in the place from there. And then breaking down and you find the time. And then what's the hardest part for you? Is it the like, I guess the day today, Grind, is it? What do you ever feel like stuck like your few things are gone wrong here and you know what am I going to do to get out of it all, like I've hit a bit of a robelock. What do you help finds get you through that? I think. I think sometimes. Sometimes I think what's the hardest part is I like the hard work. I don't like the grind. I feel like, despite the fact that I may be tinkering a lot, I feel like sometimes I can I get discouraged because I buy into the bullshit myself. That's why I was saying. That's why I mentioned this a lot, because sometimes I do buy into the bullshit some and I get discouraged by thinking, Hey, like, why am I not making tenzero dollars a week on Amazon net profit after tax? You know what am I doing wrong? But then you know I am ast it's I guess obviously we're all the humans emotionally. I see something I still question. I was like, maybe I might doing something wrong. You know, maybe they're right, like I still think about it. I think that's where I get discourage. That's probably a downfall of my own. I think I'm still working on that, but I would look at something I would get discourage them. Well, I said SOMNAL success a little bit, yes, but those ads promise that's what they generally are promising, those quick results. Or wait, that's exactly thing. And it just takes the realism, man. And even though you know that's not part of the process, like you can sume enough things, like it's interesting how I can still have an effect on the even know, you know, when you know it's not real, like it can still in some ways. Like I find I'm pretty impatient with a lot of things, like I know I need to go for the process and knock it out, and sometimes I...

...want I find it hard, like I'll have moments where I'm like what where? I question it for that reason. And Yeah, and it's just important to reiterate that point, that it needs to go down to the process. That's what you're doing it for, and the results like those sort of moments of sweeter when that process is fucking pure. Well, that's it, my that's actually a hundred percent on point and you're right there. And like same thing with fitness. Like some people they promise you quick six minute APPs. It's just just doesn't work. Like you know you're never gonna GET APPS in six minutes and you know it in your chorus. Well, but you still try to believe it because you just just in case. What if? What is the sense? It has a dream. It's like that. Yeah, there's sale. It's just a brilliant psychology of fucking sales is and am yeah, that's the saddest parties. And I work in marketing and I still buy into the Sha. I know how they're doing it now, exact yeah, yeah, that's I know exactly what they're doing, but sometimes it's too easy to buy into the shit. But you know, but that's that's what I'm saying. That's why I lesson that I learned and I scold for me to remember. And that's what I was saying about these podcasts. When I vocalize it and it just actually really just I think this could have been the moment it just so into my head very right. Yeah, yeah, you read when I put it out there in words, because this is something I've never really said something out loud to someone. Yeah, I think this is the first time I'm discussing the lessons that I've learned in business. YEA, because most of my like about this. I know you published it on the seven eighth. I think I wrote it a month ago. I can. I wrote it when I finished finished bomby box. Yeah, so not last or not, mother, I'm sorry, when I feel so. I finished bomby box actually a month ago. I didn't launch it to laughter because I was riching, waiting for, waiting for a few things to done. So when I finish everything from the BLOB and loved parents solid chat, I waken all oafen up fifty one medicee by where. That's it? Well, that's a it's funny old habits of Radio. I might don't mention it, which that don't do it. Don't do it, do it or you do it so great like the flow that you can get into podcasting, where you don't have to throw a song in and all this other shenanigans, like it's just you just get much deeper. You don't have to like. It's like watching TV compared to radio, right, like you don't they have to talk so fast that they just have to knock it out. Where podcast and where break and shit down and can do that getting yeah, that's right. It's the long form. It's the test cricket of the information. It was cooked up admission. That's right. That's right. And if you know anything about us, we love test cricket DOS. Those boxing did test my men. Well, nothing like them, my MCG, favorite MCG. I'm so excited for me see a box about your new presents. You got your new presents from Chrissy and yeah, just fine, happy as I thought. If it's going to be a lot better than made, it's along by a way in some regards, but it isn't my it's already August, you know, twenty one is we're speaking today, so it'll be here soon enough. And Yeah, that's exactly what we've been hooking into. Look what we've done over the over the time. That would try our best. And he's always going to be a little covid baby, mate. It is what I don't do. That it. It's funny and it's just like getting into it. Like he you want to know what's going on, but you know how it you know and you know the sort of bloody stress that I can bring. So it's just about managing that as well and making that, making that realize. That's part of the process. And Yeah, it's very well, that's it. Well, that's it. Talked for a lot of people about it too, so this is my one tests to as well. So, yeah, mutually, that's that's where we this is what we all about on the podcast. Yeah, which, which brings me to my next lesson, which was you don't need seven, you don't need a lot of mentors. You don't need many, many thousands of mentors. And this is a hard on, right, because I just said when I started this podcast with saying Alan's been a great mentors, and it's in fact, I have you other mentors of people who have like mentored me on different things and it's given me. It's hard because you could see, like you could say, Hey, like you know, technically speaking, locally, you are my mentor at the gym, Right. So it's it's hard to say like all that person was my mentor. But what I find the reason I listed is, once again, this is for people. This is once again, is because what you see on social media so much everyone says get mentors, get mentors. What what I'm trying to say is, once again, with the whole getting mentors thing, all I'm seeing is people trying to escape the hard work and trying to find the secret that someone will tell them the secret to do something so you know they don't have you know, and then they'll just get to the end, end result. So everyone is just trying to skip to the end of the movie, trying to find out what happens at the end of the movie. No one's trying to watch the movie. You know, imagine if you went to wash, you know the branches and game, and you just find that you just found out the sport like at the end, like what's the point? You know? Yeah, so that's the whole that's the whole thing, and I think I find those people who basically literally copy and pasting from all their mentors exactly how their mentors were are like not innovating. They just copy and pasting, you know. So I guess that the idea there was to like. I think it's it's yes, it's good to have mentors, people who can show you the way, but, you know, I think there's a little room...

...for making mistakes and learning the lessons. Myself. It's actually a pretty good thing as well, because I would have not come to this conclusion if I act did exactly, because I'm sure, you know, I'm sure talking about Allen. He would have come to this conclusion himself right, similar conclusions or like, you know, sure, you did come like just like how you told me about different Jim things, you would have come, came to these conclusions as well. But you know, maybe sometimes its better to learn some of them on your own. Yeah, get shown the basic so you're and you get clouded. You know, if you're really unsure of what you're doing in any situation, you can get clouded sometimes and you're not going to be as effective. So you need like the basic guidelines. Need to be shown how to move away, not drop anything on your head and, you know, not kick your feet on the way out. And then you have to take over from there, because it's got to be yeah, it's just like introducing you to a new friend or whatever it is, like you've got to you've got to do the rest here, and that's a good mentor do right, and then they'll push when they need to and then they'll explain when they need to. And and that's that's why, yeah, and that's why, that's why I and I bring back this to Alan, because he I think he's a good mentor, because he hasn't he hasn't given he's never given me boundaries. That makes sense right, is giving me framework to do things, but he's never given me boundaries. Now that I think about it, like that's what's his style has always been. He said, Hey, we should do this and then, like the other day, other day, he had this long conversation with me, and I just realized this now. He had this conversation with me about building this like this whole new system. And after talking to him and I started once again, I sawed tinkering and looking at what he talked about. Then I found myself I was like like, you know, brushing up on my coding language, because I was like, Oh, maybe I could call this by myself. But but I just realize what he did. He spark that. I thought, yeah, yes, he sparked that. Thought that's all I needed to do, but he didn't like, you know, the point is, he's not a he's you know, he probably knows codes, but he's not the one who would go like he you know, he's not bad advancing coding. So I didn't learn coding from him, but he's all he need to do was just like spark the IDM my head. I was like, okay, I'm going to go look at it, which exactly what I did. So that's what I think. It's important to not copy people, even if they met your mentors. It's important to like have that mistakes. That's something I learned. I think that's more of a lesson. I guess I kind of knew. I felt like I oh, maybe I just kind of fell into that lesson, but I thought it was important to share. Yeah, that's also thought. What you're learning of your your the times when if I or something doesn't go right. That's where you're really learning, right, like, because you need to get better, you need improve and that's how how you get better. So very good, very good. That's right. I will share do more clean, more lessons. And the second one is going to be a quick one. Yeah, become really good at excel. Excel is because I used to like Excele. Microsoft Excel will get your place as my man. It's an old school system, but it just works right, it just works. It's good. So many places use it. Yeah, so many ways that use it. Yeah, just you can use use. It's just so brilliant. You can do anything with it. It's all about your imagination. funnily enough, it looks like the most uncreative system which probably just holds the most of our freedom. You can be so creative with it. It's just brilliant. So learn excel. I think that's another business lesson I led, kind of a fun one. I personally said. It sounds sad when I say the fun things like Sol but that's dead like it. And if that isn't fun for people out there, because everyone has their different things, like fun ways to understand it. And then if you need to like get, you know, outsource it, but just be willing and know that you have to, like you're gonna have. That's that goes help. I think Excell is easy enough that everyone should know, because even if you don't need the you don't need really you cool. I can outsource like advanced accounting stuff, but you little bit stuff. You should know about excel. A's what I think. It's kind of cool. Email like lacking. You could make like all your your training documents there and all that stuff. Yeah, we'll like so kind of cool. That's good. Yeah, and I have it all on the phone to like now that Anosoft has at all, APP it's just so much a yeah, sheets or Google. Cheese is a very same as well. Yeah, because you can share those also as well. You can have that with someone else and just keep adding to it or do yeah, Google Docs. Now what is it? Where you can it's like you can creates Google docs right where you can credit document and then invite someone else and in anybody. Yeah, cool, it was. Yeah, good, drive documentary, all the Google APPs like that. They're brilliant. Now this is another one. Communication is key, and this is I do suffer with. This is alls, and this is a learning lesson, because you can, you can get screen fatigued and sometimes you almost like scared not you get anxiety and you try not to answer calls because you know, you know you haven't finished a project yet and you try to avoid like looking at it because sometimes you dread the fact that you may not be able to finish a project. Anyway. This is an important and I think whether you're like, let's say, if you make mistakes, we all going to mistake. I said earlier, you know I've made mistakes and I've said sorry, and I think one of the things that I learned that I've made mistakes over the years, but I've truly been apologetic and like come clean with my mistakes. Yeah, when I've known I fucked up, like I've come clean, like you know, like look, I...

...fucked up right, you know. So I think that's one thing that's been nice. But I think that's important to actually be transparent with with your clients, with your clients, with your friends or like in business, like it's important to have those. Communication is really important. I think less you talk, more mistakes happen. You know, I think most problems in business can be solved by just having a conversation, indication and what and not by an email, by a phone call, most more importantly, myself, I think some but document met it done right out. That's right. Yeah, and particularly because if it's, if it is a good you know, if it is a good meeting like you do, generally start to flow on and go into a lot of different things and at least might yea, at least try to keep some of that locked in. Some of that brilliance gets need to be captured away, and that's what we're talk about before, like just being basic documenting, even having a shade, like have another something, little bits right into something to help out, and that that's a you know, obviously going to help you with your business. Journey might because you've got to be got to hit those little moments. It's like the let's like training, it's like anything. Hit those platos and then all of a sudden get a spark, you get a rush and just fucking stay consistent, right, stay insistent. That probably another one. That's exactly what steake insisted. I've got another one. How long do you have to can we go through all of them? Yeah, of course, sounds good. I will will try. I'll try to fly through this right. So then I've got this is a communication. So that was a quick one. Another another one, which is kind of us once again. The sad lesson that I had to learn, and this is this is a hard one, right ice, and the lesson was not all your friends will support you. This is a hard one, and but the key word is not all your friends will support you. This is really important to remember. I said not all some prints and I sort of. It's a one of the biggest support, one of the biggest lessons I learn because when I and when I thought I was, I go, when I go into business, all my friends would be there, like supporting me in every way they can, because, you know, they support our one random friend and telling them how awesome they are, because you know that one person got married, you know, somewhere. You know I can get chulation, Babe, you know, like, you know, I thought that would be the same. Like, you know someone people would support me, but I learned that not all people were supported, whether it's and we or whether they just want to see what happens. Yeah, like they kind of like what, like how this plays out, like, you know, they just want to expectators whatever it is, right. And it's a kind of a weird thought pattern because when you start off in business, for some reason you have this in your head that everyone is going to support me. For some reason, that's what I had in my head. I don't know about everyone, but I had that in my head that everyone's going to be like, you know, yeah, good, or encourage me, positive encouragement. And the second one would be that they would like, you know, try to like share my stuff on show some media, or they'll give me their business. You know, it's a little bit of that high school mentality, right, like that kind of that support, because you're around people all the time and then people kind of go on and you kind of that's a lesson that you need to learn through that experience. Right. That's exactly, and I it's not just so slowly friends, and it's actually new friends who are in business. Even those people can actually just kind of want to see how you play out, like kind of let you dry out to see what happens. Right, that kind of say. But in saying that, there's like other friends who would like go beyond and above, and some people in business, like blocking. You're not, like we've never actually worked on a project together, but you bore. I was felt to really supported by you. Yep, in every sense, if that makes it like in every possible way. The way, the way, yeah, the way it is for me is like anyway that I can do it or that I can support you. I want to and like if I'm able to, you know, buy anything off you, if I'm able to share like any any little things that a lot of people might oversee and I only realize because I love you and I want to do anything. Like. It's just a basic stuff, man. It's all little one per centers, right, it's that's that's all it is like for for me, like, like I said, like you know, basically, the heart thing is, this is what everyone talked about doing cobby does that, or support local businesses, about looking. But you know what, the way you support local businesses is by actually liking this stuff and actually sharing this stuff and instead of just looking at the memes all day from breaking, you know, some random turment. He means right, but you know, that's how you support businesses like. You know, you support them like. So that's how helps him reach people. That's but, you know, that's fine, but that's something I had to learn. I had to manage my expectations there. But in saying that, I felt like I got more from almost collectively which I thought would get from some people, just from my hand handful of people. So that's important as well. Yeah, like I said, like you Alan, you know terrence, my parents, few, you know those people, like you know my but like those people who supported me in a way that I was like like this, I didn't even expect anyone to support me. So I guess that kind of evens it out. But I think there's something that I just wanted to mention because when I started off, I thought for some reason everyone would be like the support me, and that's a real life lesson. On top of the business to him. That's exactly right, and I think a lot of these life business lasses are directly colorated with life everything. As I said before, a business in life, it is that it's a game of life sometimes. And See if I reacts.

It's it's exactly that. And then now I've got you will you will have to work long days, and this is what you're talking about. Or we to. You have to commit. And what you said before local you just have to grind it out, and I say, this is what I said. I said there's a number of like obviously, learning this is one of the great lessons I learned. was like the fact that you could, you know, youth. For some reason, working nine hundred and twenty five just doesn't work like they simply not enough. Nine to five hours there in simply note eight hours insistant or enough. You know, you you think about what you start your day. You know it takes one hour to just get through emails and those are just not real work. Right then you need to do the work that you talk to people about. Then there's a meeting to talk about the next project, and that means you didn't get to work on the last project. So now then you have to work. So you have four meetings in a day. That's almost like four hours gone, plus one hour a meeting. So you've got five hours of like not, you didn't do any work, and I've got three hours to do everything on the four our four projects are you working on? That just doesn't happen. So nine hundred and twenty five, unless you're working for a company. Even then, like I think, people just leave work and then come back the next day and try to do something again. They never actually achieve so nine to five just doesn't exist. Or Jobs, the jobs that exist, for the ones that were, it's to lie to fit in that time where it's just started. Support. You need to be here to get as much prows you can. Yeah, and that's exactly right. Yeah, now, however, what I will say, though. What I will say though, sometimes sometimes, and I'd said this, I said sometimes, when you work eight hours, really, realistically speaking, you actually do for hours at work. Yes, so time you just fluff. Yeah, like you know, you just can't get focus. It is what it is. It is what it is. Yeah, but it's I think it's better to just work four hours and focus, that work eight hours and fluff. Be Four hours and don't like like it will, should bullshit, lie to yourself. Yeah, because you're going to get yourself throat and it doesn't feel good and you feel like you haven't, you know, as proud as he could be a hard work day were whatever it is doing. If you work hard for as long as you did, you feel good about yourself, and if you worked hard for for hours, you feel good. Yea, and I think that was important and I felt myself. I found myself. I felt better on a four hour day with it were four hour and then when, you know, mess around or, you know, played games or whatever I did. But I've worked hard on those four iurs like achieved everything that I could have in that for hours and didn't let anything distract me or like go get a snack from the free joe whatever. I just first ouked in. Yeah, just it, just hope interest and I know that can be hard. I know that can be hard, but that just wanted to let. It's a lesson that I let and I'm still working on that. I don't think I've fully accomplished that yet, but I'm working on that. But I learned that was that was a key. Now that's that one. And then this is. This is kind of another one. You will be disappointed. I've learned that. This a lot of disappointment and you we feel often, like so often, you will feel like you're disappointed and your failed. You feel you this, you get, you fail, you think you're going to this is it and you fail again. You feel a good and so what I thought about it? I was I didn't. I didn't think. I thought by now I would have surely come up. It's something, right. That's what I was saying early. You like my ideas are sort like I was like, Oh, surely by now would have designed Google or something like that, but I'd realize this. You know, so much failure and disappointment over and over and over again, and you know, and then it just hits you because you know, like I said with bomby box, like you know, first week we made sales. First Week we made sales, the second meek movement sales. This week there's like no sales. So I was like well, fuck, like you know, whatever I think as kind of disappointing, but you know, wasn't. It wasn't a failure, but you know, it's just it's not like dead end, but it's like you know, you get you like Oh no, what I did? I do wrong? Yeah, get that Point Sen sis. Things start to creep in. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what. And then you do something and then you like another disappointment that I find myself doing is, let's say, if I do a project and then I look at it few months later and I let more, I look at that project, I'm like, oh no, why did I do it like that? And then I've disappointed myself or doing a poor job. Okay, put my less knowledge back. Yeah, that's so. There's a lot of disappointment and self judgment and like that continues argument with yourself, like what am I doing? What am I doing? So much of that. But but the good thing is, and this is I remember I will Smith said this is said. You said you'll feel often, so it will submiss it. This is a failure. is where the lessons are. So fail early, feel often and feel forward. Just remembered you only have to succeed once, and I was like that's freaking really. It's okay. You don't know if it expect the key keep trying. You have sexed once yet so it and then that just makes it that much better because that could be just that next time. You know, that could just be that next time. So that's when you just seal or succeed off it. So, like you know, I've got sometimes it's it's got to be when you need to be ready in like if you stumble up on something too early and you're not able to manage it, like, it can go south. If you learn these lessons and you get better at dealing with these elements, well then you know your prompt for it and it's going to happen one right another, because that's the way...

...the world works, right. It is one hundred percent, like, like I just said a second ago. You know, I look at some of my work from a month ago and I'm not proud of it. Yeah, because I'm like, I could have died. No, I know I could have done it better. Yeah, but at the time I thought I that was the best I could do. Yeah, so obviously maybe the next next project is like right around the corner. That's the one that's going to say you laugh. So I think that's an important one. And last but not least, and this is the one I learned, it's need to find time to really enjoy myself. I think these conversations because, like I see, this podcast is like semi that cross between business and social. Yeah, and a situation that which is which is which is super important, and I really like even with my clients, with my friends, with the people I work with, I always try to just like try to keep a lighthearted communication, because a lot of people I find in business out could be very, very like blocked off, like it's like business and serious, where it's many high yep, yeah, but I what I find it's like you need to find time, like you need to laugh, because everyone thinks like Oh, you got your life and you go work life. I think it's mostly like you's just life. There's no work life like you know, work life balance. This is like life. So you need to laugh at work and at home. So you need to enjoy yourself, like if you at work, make friends. So that's what I find weird about. They said or, you know, don't build a relationship, like, you know, don't get involved. I know they talk about like don't date your co workers and all that stuff and like to become two best friends with them. I find that quite odd because you know, when we are school, as our friends are, you know, our class fellows or whatever. The classmates are technically our colleague or to speak, but we become best friends with them, we date them, but when we go into workplace, and same thing with union, even going to work place, they sell that like no, don't get it, don't get to it. Big Buddybody, with your friends or your posse or whatever. You all the string tip it. It brings you together and some mutual interest you now have or something you share and it just built present Bonton. I'm yeah, I'm completely against that, even dating in workplace. I know a lot of people will disagree with it. I don't just be a fucking I don't. Yeah, I think if you know, you can be added. But if you're honestly, if you're a child and you'll do whatever the fuck you yeah, you will anyway. That's Betty. If you're in a if you're grown up and if you can manage that, you know, like realize that even if you guys have a you know, if you're dating someone, your colleague, one, like a colleague, and you guys have a fallout, need to realize like you can't left that. Let that effect business or work or whatever. But I think you to realize your work. You're going to spend majority of your life at work, or like working. Right. So what he's going to wait till you get home, till seven PM to laugh. Yep, they have friends more. Yeah, wait to retirement, wait till the way, wait till retirement. Yeah. So I think that's important, at least of the trap. Yeah, and then that says. That leaves me with the quote from Andrew Carnegie's was a great business man. He says there's little success, whays this little laughter. So you know, even he, the great man Andrew Carnegie, said it himself as well. So don't take my words for it anyway. So, though, after hundred percent hundred, those are my some painful, some lighthearted, e random, all off from the first one. Okay, quickly read. I'll bread them through. And some I actually didn't actually seep say them because I didn't think they were that important. So if you want to check out the fall article, they buil linked. Yeah, the first eye of lesson one, your ideas are not original. Lesson to you can't. You can't do everything on your own. Lesson Three, passive income doesn't exist. Don't fool yourself. Lesson my favorite that one, and I wouldy lost the count for two. Three. Lesson for it would be it would be best if you were a god at Excel. Lesson five. Lesson five. I think I'm about five right yet. Lesson five. You don't need seventy three mentors. Lesson six, communication is key. Lesson seven. Your friends are not going to support you, but not all friends are going to support you. Some will. You don't always have to agree with your business partner, and I don't. I didn't mention this because I didn't think that was that relevant and wasn't that important. But you know, sometimes you can agree with your business partner. Some kind you can't, but you can still long as you long as the vision is the same. That's important. Yep, you will be disappointed often and you will feel often. You will have to. You have to work long days implement beautiful system to make your life easier. For example, a password manager. Password one for everything is not okay. As a business person, you have to have so many passwords and stuff, so get like nice systems to manage all that stuff. Yeah, and the last, but not least, enjoy, and that was that. Those are the lessons that I've learned so far. That's a great way to finish that want to enjoy it as well and and wrap it all up. And that's all the process. You've gone through things. If you will learn. That's brilliant night. That's that's exactly what in depth as well. Really, really, yeah, really, and it pressive. 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...ladies. Yeah, I he's the clever thing. I mean, now, look where we both we both dumb is in our own sense. That's true. We're both clever in our lands, and I mean both might be on spect Jim soon as it's all good. Oh, we probably are. Let's be honest. It's a big one of interest. I've heard whatever, whatever makes a special right. That's right, baby, my mom told I special. But it is what it is. It is what it is. I heard that's the thing of the year. I was yeah, it's got to be. It is what it is. It is that. It is. Well, lack then. I think this is been a pretty beautiful podcast. We've gone over the two two am, but I thought was going to wrap it up early. But that's all, good man. We flow through and it you know, we're catching up and we're getting into it and we both find whatever we're saying interesting, and you know, it was so insightful. What what you gave up today might so this is why I love doing it and you know I can happen to keep going, and this is yeah, thank you all so much for listening. If you guys are still with us and just all you all you need to do is just keep listening. You know, you can go on our social media accounts, clever dams. You can go to the website. We really would appreciate that, but just keep listening. Tell One person keep listening. That's right, half person has made it this Wie. That's it. You never know why. You never know. Half a person has made it this far. I thank you so much for listening, guys. Yes, someone's falling asleep right now. Why? God that this has been the clever dummies podcasts have a great way. Love Your.

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