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We're back, baby. What it's the twenty three of July. Can you believe? At thirty five PM, currently unlucky joined, as always, buy a nick and fuck by the clever dummies. A back, baby. We're back. We went on hiatus, but we've returned, become a back, back and strong. I have you been, buddy? I've been good. I've been good, I've loving, been loving life. A lot has happened, so much to discuss. Let me take back what I just said up you know where I said I've been loving life. A lot has happened, a lot since our last podcast. Let me do the exact date. When our last episode? It fourth of May was the last episode that went on, and so it's been a couple of months, not to mention the fact that we've been getting a lot of response as well, like crazy amount of last I check our we were, I think, I think I remember mentioning to you were a roughly eight thousand or ninezero download or something like that. Yeah, yeah, the numbers were good and they don't matter in the in himself, but just people that we love and care about to letting US know that they're like and I got a call from a guy who I haven't seen in five years. I used to go to U Uni with him, Vinnie, even six years and he just said, man, you're doing good work. He works for Channel on right now, but he's just like man, like the podcast, keep it up. So yeah, that sort of Shit is just cool, way, hundred hundred percent. And I've had I walked into, you know, different meetings whatnot over the or the past few my aren't and people yeah, and they've just said, Oh, you know, you know, we should someone, you know it's really good, into get into podcast. I'm like, well, Hey, I've got a podcast. This is a check it out and it's been fantastic. So I so what I'm really trying to say, the reason why I brought that up, is because I do love this podcast and it's actually already given me a lot, despite the fact that chatting to you is great, it's given me a lot and it's given us a lot, which is not so we need to keep going that. Talking about the podcast. As you can hear the background lockling, you've got some incredible, incredible being well, my lasts she just like a dad. She needed to get a word in earlier within the first sixty seconds she's made it podcast debut and that's obviously Abbey and in would my first daughter. She was born on the fourteenth of July at nine seven MPM mate, so technically it was eight days ago, about twenty minutes ago. So Anyway, I'm not counting. But now there wasn't just been incredible brow and like we've had a really you know, we've had some good conversations and it's kind of what sparked us, you know, really doing this and I wanted to do a podcast after her birth and obviously I didn't want the gap to be that long. But at the end of the day, but I went back doing and this is this is, yeah, my favorite part of the week when we're doing it. So I love it and just her including so my life. It's just in crazy crazy because being a parent it's like one of those obviously big life goal of things, but you kind of don't know what to expect. And by the end of the pregnancy either, obviously Charlotte was the one who was carrying the baby, I was sort of just so numb to it. I just didn't know how to feel. And then once the moment comes and one as the baby, you know goes through whatever she has to go through to come out into this world and you just experience her for the first time and she's just real in front of your face. It just changes things and it's already changed me. It's already like change my ability to prioritize things in my life with you in a couple of days, so that I felt that effect immediately. So the other things that are going to come along with it, including like the protective nature and you know, all that sort of stuff, I look forward to as well. But that's one thing I felt immediately is like everything, you know just is included with her, any life goals or aspirations or even just day to day think so it's pretty, pretty amazing. But but yeah, it's all, it's yeah, it's just great. It's just great, my dude. It's just hard to I don't know, sometimes it's hard to articulate. I say they it's hard to say exactly what it's like without telling people what happened and how she kind of came into the world and kind of going through everything like that. And that's yeah, that's that's stuff that's in itself. But we were just so blessed and made she's a big girl. She's got a loud said to the youngs, she's absolutely adorable. She looks so much like a mum, which I'm so happy for. I didn't want these big ears and big showane teeth to come out. So so far, so good. Well, look, I'm going to start with congratulation. Yeah, thank you. That's a big big I mean, despite the fact that you shall die, did it all the way. It still is like that. You are data. Yeah, the briefect babies. You know, it is what it is. Look, congratulation. It's the reason, a reason. I see congratulation. Right, I have an analogy, and I know it must be hard to describe this in the worlds and and coming from someone who's got no idea of heavy how having a kid would feel like us, but I do have an analogy, right, so tell me if my analogy is completely out of the window and then I'll shut up forever. Yeah, that's right. Right here, here's my analogy, right. So to remember back in the days when we used to play cricket, right. So, yes, I remember going to training. You hate it, right, going into training with the big boys in the wraps. So it's cricket right, so right, right, and and the days she'll go into those cricket right, most of the time would be...

...absolutely shit right. But one day would go into cricket all of a sudden incredible cover drive start coming up, push telling about your you know, you cracking them out of the you know, it's like you you suck at on, you know, normal, normal cricket field. All of a sudden you're playing, playing on turf and people are really good and all of a sudden you're, you know, smashing him. Yeah, how does that happen? Well, I think there was. There's actually a science behind it. What happens is actually you raise the bar of because you're playing with the big boys. Now. Automatically your body is given you know, your brain knows that it has to perform better. And I think having a kid is kind of like that, because once you become a parent, once you know that there's no turning back, once that kid is there in the world, all of a sudden you raise your bar man you like you raise your bar you become a whole new person. You raise your standard, you become the new you and you're the person who all of a sudden back you know, saving money was hard for you, all of a sudden becomes easier because you know you have a why all of a sudden? What do you say to that? What do you think? That analogy hits the park on? Yeah, that absolutely doesn't. At the end of the day, men like the only difference between me and you right now is I have eight days of experience being a dad, like more than you. Apart from that, we're on the same we're basically we're pretty much at the same level. So, like you, you can still critically think about it pretty well, especially just switched on and you understand how the world works. But obviously what you said was absolutely perfect. And going back to the cricket days, I'll wrap back to the analogy because it was a really good it was really well put. But that was a funny thing because when we were playing cricket, I've been playing for a good over ten years. You are what, probably two or three years. So in terms of kind of technique, I just had a more developed technical game because I just been doing it longer. But whenever we played with better players or we you know, we went to those Rep tryouts, grade tryouts, I should say, and we would we sort of performed or sort of tested ourselves against the better players, like you pretty much outshown me every time, and that's just because, when that moment came, like you just stood up and did it, and that's kind of shows kind of who you are as a person and why you would be a good dad and yourself. And that's exactly what it is. It's it's kind of like fight or flight too, and it you can go and talk about kind of adrenaline and Cortisol, your two hormones that are being heightened during those sort of moments like that's kind of what the experience is like the childbirth, and that's why it's so hard to splain. I also believe like, being, you know, being a Christian myself, I also believe there's an element of God and there's an element of something we can't explain that's happening when someone's giving birth. It's something called the Holy Spirit and it's hard to measure, but it's a feeling you get. As I said, cart as all want a journaline, have sort of been pointed to the things that are going through in your brain. But ultimately, in sort of one health science it's called to fight or flight, or one one. So call it you fight or flight, and it's like, when the moment comes, what are you going to do? Or you're going to stand up and do what you need to, or you're going to hide away and give the self excuses. That's exactly what kind of parenting is and that's exactly what you can't be kind of experiencing that moment too, when we were sort of whatsaping and eighty nine inner old boys trying to make a go at life, and at that stage we love crickets. Our goals would a sort of play representative cricket, and it's the same sort of thing you just obviously now you've got a little baby that just cries really loud and it hurts your ears and you don't have any boobs, so you can't feed it, but you also love it so much, but you're worried that you're going to break it, so you don't want to hold it. And Yeah, there's so many things are going at once. But yeah, Rore, your analogy is a hundred percent. It's just like we've experience. You're able to kind of relate it a bit more. It's absolutely brilliant. A brilliant because the reason I thought of that analyogy right now, but up healthy a few babies in my time. Yeah, hell right, hopefully. God baby kind of feels like waiting for a ball. That for you of them, and the bull is running in because you don't know if you're going to get out right, you do, you don't know. It's vulnerability, right. Yeah, he's just a whole new experience, right, like I'm completely if I'm being completely honest, like I have. I'm not the person who's like extremely like how is the mother in nature? Right, but I get it, like I have a younger sister growing seeing her grow up. He's been one of the most beautiful things and it's realizing the fact that it's just one of those most incredible part of life and if you're lucky enough to be part of that, whether be if your child or whether be your sibling or whether it be someone else's child that you just got to hold, I think it's something so incredible because you holding your hands up piece of piece of the world, or whether you know now, once again going back to both of people listening to it, believe in God or not. Writer, you hold something so something while right someone who has the power to change the word itself right, which is so incredible. And then you definitely don't want to be the person who...

...ruins it. Right. Yeah, you don't be the one to drop it on the stead to right, right. You don't want to be that person who drops, you know, the next Muhammad Ali on his head, or drop the next, you know, Nelson Mandela and its head for your plan and the shield full on my den Anoller in your second slip. And if you drop the opening backs when they scores a hundred, Yep, exactly right. So you should say it's it's so much pressure, but it's kind of beautiful at the same time because, like, you don't want to drop the you know, the next Nelson Mandela, you know what all, you don't want to drop the you know for catching the first lips, you know the so you know the dude goes on to make a hundred. It's kind of beautiful because you don't know what's going to happen, because you know and it's going to at the end of the day. There's always, I do believe, and I suppose that's you know, where they once again God, coming back to religion, show briefly. I do believe there's always a plan and I think things always do work out for better. So I think. I think most of the time it's fine, but it's just as humans, we can't help but be faithful. I suppose that's what makes us human, doesn't it? Yeah, that's that's also the kind of the underlying message of what you see in the Bible, and particularly parables and passages and books that were written by people who either were directly in contact with Jesus or said they spoke to Jesus. Take that for what it is. Essentially, it's like a guideline for life, and you're you know you're not. The beautiful thing about the kind of existence we have is we have a lot of freedoms, obviously depending on your circumstance, but you've got the ability to do almost anything at any time if you really think about what you can do, and you kind of just got to use those little guidelines and kind of just do your best, and that's why things just work out. If you're if you're slugging away, if you're doing your best, things just start to fall together. Obviously you're in in your own way. You're kind of raising your business as like a little baby, you know, there's nothing like the actual experience and you know the feeling you get when it's your own creation. But you can tap into it a little bit, I thought, I believe, like when you hold a child or or you have a position that you're in right now where you're building a business, in your entire life is put into this one thing. You can tap into that same emotion and that feeling of like fight or flight brings it out. So that's kind of what I believe the Bible to be in what the faith of Christianity is. I don't like to use the word Christianity because stood broad, but what I believe it is is ultimately just a way that we can live our lives and it kind of a guided way that if you kind of do your best and internally, that that internal thing that is your right around your conscience, like if you follow that thing, you're going to be okay. And that goes that. You have that all jump across to your relationships that will be in business, in friendships, in whatever it is a hundred, a hundred percent, and I think you were on the mark there. Right I'm going to say two things. First thing I just want to quickly address. I think there's a there's a big especially nowadays with what's happening in society, there is a big stigma to religion right the reason and and for some reason religion seems out to direct that. The reason I want to address that is because I think most of the thing that humans as now that we coming to today and we saying, Hey, these are the right things, religions have already addressed those but I think people, people just have just taken those things out of context and basically actually actually, sometimes actually kill to religion. Because, you know, the most religions have one thing in common, and that's coming from someone I've actually recently been selling the crown again and I've read some of the Bible stuff and I've Read Bible versus. I'm listen to books on, you know, on how Christianity works. A lot like looking into religion a lot. Most this one common thing in every in every single religious literature, whether it be Bible, Quran or could crocut are whatever they called right, is the fact that you know treat everyone with respect and you know fear, you know hope, basically mediate your fear and know that there's always a plan that, yeah, you'll be fine, I think that's a basic one. I want guides, Ye, and otherwise. Right. Yeah, and they were. They're basic. And even to the fact if you if you you know, if you believe, listen to you know, Buddhas kind of philosophy which is not really a religion, more of a philosophy. Even Buddha's philosophy has a similar subway. Basically, you know, talk about like take only what necessarily and all that stuff. Right, and so that's the religion on one side. So I think it's really important to remember that all those things have always been there, whether we are as humans realizing those now. Right, that they important. Now moving on to the next thing that we say. As you get older, and I would understand it more like as a kid, I just had a difficult time following it and too closely and believing in it a lot. Obviously I just didn't understand and I didn't understand the practical elements it had in life. So once I kind of got that understanding, I saw it as a different thing and what it really is. And that's a little bit of a personal journey. And what you've said, you've gone back and look, you're looking at things to you I kind of felt a little bit that way as well,...

...and it's really interesting, especially if you know a story or you might know something from when you're younger and then you get reminded of it in this new context and a greater understanding. It's just like if you go back and Rewatch the simpsons, but you're going to get some jokes that you were like, what the hell, that's what they're saying, like some filthy like that's a really bad analogy right there. That's completely off the mark. But like when you it's just a greater understanding and it's a beautiful thing when because it reaffirms it even more strongly. For me, a hundred percent. Because sontally, I mean religious, religious leachs Sessen's about Valergy. Right, yeah, it's fine. I think that. I just want to say so much of the religious literature has been written in such metaphorical, metaphorical manners, because so it's timeless. Right, because if you write religious metaphor right, really so religious are literature in in literal terms, what happens? It is not timeless. Right. For it to be timeless, it needs to be not metaphorical terms, that it is subjective and is subjectively the observer wor read send when you're on your one trip of day to go and get water and I am walk down beat your partner over the head with a stick like you. They you there to be the IT. So it needs to be in understanding. When an emotion, for example, when an emotion of angers brought out in you, how do you respond, like to turn the other cheek, or do you react? And do you count with that? And that's a that's a principle that's spoken about in the Bible, spoken about across the board to and that's just sort of one example, exactly exactly, and I think that's really important to remember. And one of the things that I find with particularly, and not just not just with Islam, but it's many religion, is what I find is the certain people taking certain metaphorical teachings very literal and taking out of context and turning it into weaponizing it. Right, and that's where all the problems come from in religion and that's where all the wars come from. But a religion arty score is actually not like that, right, but you know, and that's that's why the religion gets bad name righte some so like certain areas that really yeah, well, you just say these dry element must exist in a lot of different parts of society. That's exactly right. And and you know, because it's so metaphorical, once taken out of context, is becomes completely different. Right, yeah, and this is very important. It's becomes very dangerous. I actually posted a status about news actually doing that all the time, and I want particular heading guns as well. I was good. That was always the land, wasn't it? Particular, one particular heading that you see if I can pull it up and read it out right? Yeah, one particular let me read this out to you, because I'm trying to give contexts here, because context, context is the important thing here. YEA, it is. So this it's in it is sac need these people. Yeah, so it is breaking news. Live updates, face mask to be mandatory for Melbourne, Comma Mitchell Shire. Right, Victoria recalls three hundred and sixty three new covid nineteen cases, three dad single day. Global record new infection broken. Single Day. Global Record for new infection broken. New South Wales Community Spread Greater Threat Than Melbourne. Right, will you hear that? Hey, that shit right, you go. What the fuck? Melbourne has broken the global record for single the most infection in a single day, a global record for a city. Yeah, you know, you you ask yourself. You're like, what the hell? Who the hell is writing this thing? Right, because it's taken out of context. Technically what I all the things they said were true, but putting a one sentence without any grammar, that becomes very dangerous, right. Yeah, which is right. Change people definition. It behind just the maiming of it. It changes the definition is say it. Basically, what it is saying is that Melbourne recorded the highest ever cases globally. So that means you know, but you know, you talk about America's recording eightyzero cases. Roughly eighty or Seventyzeroo case in the day. Look over in Indias or just how populated some of their cities are. Mon near Colcata, mom buy those sort of places. They should so many people when it's like and then you get these dirty what German? Who was was the Telegraph or was it? So I'm not like that. Getting the collaboratories podcast suit, but you remember the red rules. Right, Messaging Nice, but the point is taken out of context, things can be very dangerous and I spoken of a lot about this and a lot of people actually go, well, how it's actually not that. But no, it's actually really bad because, you know, you tell people that. You know, you give someone a paragraph from the Quran and go, Hey, the Quran says, you know, do X. Right, taken out of context, you go, Hey, like Muslims do this now they fucking don't.

You know, you don't know what the context of that is. Same thing with goes with, you know, with Christianity. Same thing will goes with any of the religions. You know, they talk about our but I ate lived a one grain of rice of day. No, you did not. It's just a fucking metaphor. You know, you that's that's the whole idea of the things, and people don't listen to realize. Take things out of context becomes a huge problem. Now just quickly reverting back to what we're talking about before, about having a bit of our baby in a quickly to the podcast episode that just happen. Well, exactly, happy to extanded back to so much unpack, right, and this just going to quickly plug this and then I'm going to move on to the next thing. What I was also say document a baby, right, I've been working on this project, which is a brand new venture right and something completely I've never done this before and it's and I'm actually pouring a lot of money into it as well. Ride like money. My bank accounts are getting drained right right now, and this is a new venture and I'm very excited about it. But every day I have to like I'm spending x amount of hours in it, and I'm spending that time and money in a time that is very unprecedented for everyone else, and we want to skate. Everyone's worried about money. Obviously there's a level of optimism that lays in me right that I'm I think that tomorrow is going to be better. Hence why I'm doing this right. If I didn't think tomorrow is going to be better, I wouldn't be doing this, but you know, I'm starting to. It's a new companies called Bombay box, which is like it's like it's basically selling, you know, it sells products, it sells alternate products, whether it be like, you know, bracelets and those kind of stuff. Any mostly focus on men, but selling things like bracelets, because I like wearing braces, and a lot of the stigma around, you know, around like how men are meant to be. You know, all of a Sun, if I wear rings, it's like, you know, you know, Mentalis or whatever. Right. So there's a whole mass idea behind it. So I've been creating this. Do you want to wait to talk about a little bit more, like yeah, wait, yes, wait, so far away to talk about what I wanted to say. Was Right. Every single day, I yeah, very kind of. But every single down really worried that every cent that I'm spending is good just go to waste, right, and it's the fear is always there and I'm just like, I'm not sure, like if I'm doing the right thing. And I guess you're right. It's kind of like raising a baby, because you don't know what's going to happen, because are you making a mistake or you not making a mistake? Are you doing the right thing or the wrong thing? Is the whole thing a mistake? Are you even worth it? You know, yeah, zero as well. Obviously there a media, same kind of thing. Yeah, but I mean like it's the same thing where like every every you know, every decision, everything I'm doing is you know, there's no one else on. You've got terrence, but and you've got a few small group of people are going to help you, but ultimately you're kind of a captain of the ship in a lot of way. So it's like what am I going to do in this situation? And you just got to keep trying because it's everyone's going through kind of a first in human history and a lot of ways we've had similar things and we've had recessions and wars, but this has a different feel to it just because the of the modern world and we're living in the modern world and so many things that we took for advantage. You know how a lot of those can be taken away. It's kind of the blessing of being alive now and kind of a little bit of the curse to but do so what? What is it in you that drives you to keep doing that? You just you just know that you need to fulfill your potential. You just need to live a life that where you're trying your best, that kind of whatever you're doing, well, that that's that's the thing, right. I don't know, right, and I think that's completely be completely honest, I think that's okay. I don't know now, what's tomorrow, it will be right. Yeah, and but I just feel like, I mean, what did did is to option right, to be nihilistic and SID here go. There's no point to anything right and I will never be you know, read the stats. How every millennium would never normillennium will make it right. Read the stats. The thing is to all those stats and all those probabilities are probably right at corrected steps. But I call me your fashion. I still do believe in miracles or with exception to the rule. I don't know whether that's a good way to think or not, but I've always seen myself to as an exception to the rule. I've never been left wing or right wing. I've always just thought I'm exception to the rule. Right, I think. What's what I relate with. Right, yeah, I've done it doesn't matter it you just look at it objectively and you look at it kind of in third person in a lot of ways, and you just try to look at what or Leks. What I do is I try to look at both perspectives and then I kind of side with in a sense, or right formulate my opinion on the side that I agree with the most all the whatever it is. It doesn't have to be a side see, that's kind of the problem, right, would kind of that's anything that's exactly like that's doesn't need to. Let us all one human race...

...like it's. That's exactly right. And that's the problem. And I don't know, I don't know if any of this is going to work. I don't know if I'm wasting my time and I'm better of just working a nice job and buying a how and just, you know, getting a having some having few kids. And I don't I mean I'm sure one to do that as well. See if that we have works out. You know, obviously I can't. I can't control some of the stuff, but this I can. They these two options. I mean I could be nilistic and just go hey, like nothing's going to worthwhile, so let's let me just pursue pursue what I know. But I kind of like the idea of pursuing the unknown because I don't know what's going to happen. But I know if I can do this, maybe there's a chance something better could happen, right and best, something better for the humankind, not just me. And I feel I kind of feel proud in myself. I feel I feel pride in doing so and you know, whether whether a lot of people agree or not, I feel fine pride in myself to doing so, that I'm doing something that could possibly benefit the humankind, because there's so many people who aim to benefit the human kind very passively, and that's when you see a lot of protests and Concorde use some of the useless stuff. I'm not saying Protosti fine, yeah, it's a good and but yeah, I mean naughty for said off a case. We're not sure, right. Yeah, we're not sure where they from. You know, there was a protest a few weeks ago, but now we're not going to we're not gonna say no. That's a whole other level. But what I'm saying is that that's not what I what I had in mind, but I'm saying like there's a lot of different passive ways to change the world. Right. That's kind of like the media's that's kind of, I guess, looping it back to the Maydea or a little bit. Yeah, but like to the my Oh, my thing is always been like when you start like basically there's two ways to do something right. One of the ways is, let's say as a kid, you know this as a kid. Let's take go back to his acute analogy. You're a kid this two ways to get something right. One you jump up and down, wins and you get something. The second is you find a way to get it. You know, you find a way or you invent something. I've always been more of an inventor of not being the kind of person who are jumps up and down and hopes if I cry long enough I'll get something. Yeah, personally, but once again, yeah, you know, you know I don't. I don't necessarily want to say that's all wrong either. They you know, that's not I don't want to think about it. That's again the problem. That the five ten percent that's affecting the vast majority. That great. Yeah, and I think some of it is such a great, beautiful work and I do appreciate that because, you know, I really do appreciate it. But you know, there's the obviously, the other thing with the point is this two the it's two different people need to be because the word isn't going to change yourself. There's two kind of people need to doing it. I guess they take the kid analogy. There needs to be a kid who's jumping up and down. To asking for it. There's needs to be another kid who's also doing events a grind, bowing at Mr Green. Yeah, these need to be and nothing. Both are, both are, both are valid and, yeah, can't you? You need to buy in a society. That's a bit offul thing about the kind of a society that we're lucky enough to live in the here in Australia's you have that opportunity that voice your opinion and, yeah, go whatever way you want. Hundred percent her as an end. That sort of goes in line with what's been so much happening right now. So much happening right now, and it's insane. I mean, I know everyone keeps us saying this is a first, like nothing like this has ever existed, and I mean this. I just want to touch on that because I feel like, of course that's true, because we always move forward in time. I don't think there was anything like the Second World War, despite the fact that was the first World War. The first Second World War was nothing like the first world because we move forward in time. It was once upon a time in the time and nothing like that will ever exist again. I'd we could face and face another pandemic identical to this, but the way we'll deal with it will be completely different. So that would be the only time would have experienced that. So I think everything is completely new. So this pentemic is probably this pandemic is something that's so alien to us because none of us ever experienced it. And, as I said, despite the fact, even if there's been pandemics before and there's been things like the Spanish fluids, things like that before. But think times have changed, right, things have changed and we have more technology to deal with it. We have all these different whether for good or bad, it doesn't matter which side. And you know, once again, then depends on if you wear a mask or not. If you're a fucking idiot who doesn't say that I'm not going to wear a mask, then anyway, that's decided. Take clearly perticulally. If it's you're going to get fined. Now it's Genars, you know, yeah, you freaking if you're a fucking idiot who doesn't wear a mask. Any of the point is, you know, the point it is all of a sudden these people have opinions, right, the people who saying that not going to wear masks have an opinion. Take back the Spanish flu. If they didn't wear a mask, they would be in a prison somewhere right, because that's how the democracy wasn't as like, as liberating as it is today. Yeah, that's probably happen in certain countries. I'd say this Russia, potentially, these countries that have a China, you'd imagine,...

...countries and have a stronghold on their their kind of citizens in you know, through their policies and and through their political system. That would be the case. So, yeah, it's you got to count your blessings as much as you can, because it helps you see through a lot of the shit and helps it take a lot of emotions out of it and a funny way, like when you sit on the negative for too long at all. Little Jag Yeah, little Ja yea hundred percent, hundred percent to him of the negative, which kind of bring another think that I want to talk about was the I've I've been pretty this is o I maybe if this has something to do with us not doing the podcast for a few months. Is this? I'm going to be completely honest, at the beginning of this pandemic, I was very positive. I was like, you know, I've got I'm going to stay positive. I'm going to stay positive. I'm going to stay positive, and I did. Despite the fact I was this. I'm still positive and I stayed positive throughout the whole thing. I did kind of start losing the flame and the fire and I start sort of falling into the Mundaneism, if I should get but yeah, definitely. And and it's it's just yeah, yeah, the days just sort of started blending and, you know, I start stopped controlling what I did in my day and my day kind of controlled what I did, if that makes sense. Yeah, you know, I still did certain things, buddy, I sort of for a bit, I would almost say for you know, especially for a month. Think, yeah, sort of started kind of like just being like the day, my day's controlled me, is the best way to put it, instead of me controlling my days and like, you know, my scheduling. I got like, I think remember saying that in my last podcast, like last time we did. I was like scheduling my days to the team of like they're doing exactly. No, I did. I sort of fell out of that to the point. It's really funny because you can see what you do, where you go wrong, where you start falling out. I stopped making my bad. I stopped hanging my clothes. My room sort of piled up with my clothes. You know, my I forgot a can pay this and what I want. My hundred percent guilty. As the the stuff that we had got on top of whatever contest in your life, the things that you've gotten on top of, and then, in this situation, it just and guess what happened when those sort of things fell back, like you just started to slip a little bit right, like it's a kind of a little bit of a reminder in some ways, of how fucking precious and how precious and vulnerable we are as human beings. Hundred Yeah, and it's one thing. It's for me for sure. Yeah, and and last week and I spoke to my mom, mom, mom and dad, and my mom actually first, and I said, mom, I'm really annoyed because actually what happened was, I'm just going to quickly through real back here, right, so I was feeling a little bit like, you know, the whole pandemic ended. I was like going back to the gym and I was static, like I was so excited. I was like this is the best thing's ever happened. Right here, the team I was just so excited and then that lasted about list. I think it was literally a week and a half, and then we went back into lockdown again, right, yeah, or maybe two weeks. Right. Yeah, being an open man in Australia, it's definitely the hardest place to be, for sure within the Shire, obviously. Yeah, and and we went back into lockdown. So I think so, when I when we obviously I was all I was very done with the lockdown and I wanted to go back to the gym and I wanted to meet people. I was excited. So once I looked on ended and I was really excited to be back in life. Right, I was meeting people, I was going to the gym. So that's why we didn't do the PODCAST. Before that I was just really and was not making my bed, not doing anything. But in the middle, in the middle, there was a two weeks of spot yes, excited, and that's one of the things, man, are maybe maybe we felt like we were going to do and we're not going to do it to the best of ability and we're going to regret doing that. So what they were kind of saving it in our in our own my like you know, and that's perfectly understandable. Only I've got a kind of a point to mention about what you're saying, but I wanted to finish because you're you're hitting a good spot here. Sounds good. So yeah, so, you know. And then for the week I was very excited. I was going to the gym. I was like, and man like, I'm telling you, like when you're Nagy, level SCOA UP. My image levels went up on the two weeks that we were open and going back to the gym. I'm talking about back to I don't know, man if just like you don't paw school for the first time. Right, yeah, yeah, if you don't know me, I had generally have very high energy, high energy to the point where I'm bouncing off walls without off in the mornings, right, and then that was me probably times for I was like, and the crazy thing is, but new projects were coming up. I picked up these new jobs and like it was exciting most thie two weeks and then, damn, you know, back into the lockdown and first day. I was like, Oh, this is going to be so shit, and that's when I did like didn't make them make my bad. I was just like felt nihilistic. And I call my mom and I said, and thing is, I barely ever admit to my mama if I'm feeling shit and know the reason behind is probably because I don't normally feel shit. I called my mom's like I feel like,...

...yeah, I hate to good quite down a good point the same way. I don't know. It's like you don't want to pass it on to him. They were like, I, well, and I we're both thankful in a lot of ways of how we are raised and the love will shine. So for me, I just yeah, I kind of have like this kind of almost false sense, like I don't you know, we could learn so much of our parents even to this day that we don't realize what we kind of tell ourselves that, you know, I don't you know, I don't want to put a pretty face on it, tell him everything's going to make him proud of me, sort of thing. Yeah, that's exactly why. And you know that most of the time it is because we can manage it right and it's fine and this. Yeah, yeah, so, and there's no point burning them. So I was like this time was like I need to like, Mama, feel like fucking Shit. I hate this so I want to be I want to go to the gym, you know, and she goes and then she told that she's like going needs no feeling great. That's what and d called me. Is like, what's happening? Is it that makes that job? You gotta feel better, which kind of Nice. Yeah, and then yeah, so what I'm trying to get at like this is an on top of that, with everything going on, and I've been trying to stay quiet, without making political statements, because who am I to make the political statements? And I've been seeing so many people with so many people with opinions, and I've learned something new in this nihilistic time of mine, is the fact that opinions are so useless because you know, no, not one person agrees with them, and if you become defensive about your opinion, you will never actually hear the other person. And I feel like you know, two people walk away in a conversation where you basically just telling them, you know, rubbing other person with your opinion. You know, you know better when you walk away from that conversation. So you want to hear the people outside. I've made a commitment to myself from this knowledge of time that I've been in the that I'm going to from now on be a little bit of a different, unique and he who actually doesn't actually have an opinion and has no emotional attachment to my opinion. So I need to hear the people out, because I may be wrong, because people who have been wrong and tell me the opinion are absolutely like. You know, I have no remorse for them is because the way they're going about it. So if I've been doing the same thing, then I'm no better than them. So I want to be better. So I'm going to be better. Anyway. That was my whole points. So this is why we haven't at least this is why I've been guilty, just trying to make battle our battle it out. But now I'm coming back strong. You know, I've even booked a dental dn't disappointment to get up. Yeah, so watch my bed sheet. I made my bed and you can hear I'm I sound excited, despite the fact we got another four weeks off lock down here in Melbourne. But anyway, that's where we are. Yes, what was your but we point Lo your opinion is not a marriage like. Sorry, you're not in love. You know, you're not married to your opinion, so you should be willing to move and adapt and change it. It's going to benefit of me already and it's something I need to remind myself off. But yeah, you just need to be able to adapt and thank und percent. And I feel like I feel like Lackland. You and I know this very well because we're very selfaware. You and I've always been really emotionally attached to our opinions, definitely despite the fact that we're quite aware of what we say, but we still have an emotional attachment with our opinions. And I really want to hear other people out, despite the fact that some of them may be absolutely useless, but I want to hear them out because if I'm not hearing them out, I'm no different than yet you know better. That's right, much harsh reality, but that's the truth, right, hundred percent, and men like you don't have to be you don't have to read too you're going to process. You know, if you felt like you've let yourself down with whatever you have or haven't been doing through this time. I certainly feel the same way. But, as you mentioned before, man, even even the smartest ankers in the best minds in the world struggle to do with what we're going through right now. You can argue that they've done, you know, a lot orse than we have. So it's kind of our way of going through everything. And I mean we can certainly it's definitely, definitely going to be a time we look back on and look back and think about how we felt and how we could have done things better or worse. But if there's, you know this, is any solitude in knowing that this is our first time doing anything. So when have you ever done anything for the first time and you know, done well and felt kind of proud of yourself, like o' and that's great, like you kind of got to learn and chip away. So it's just good. Yeah, it's just great that we're selfaware enough that we can, you know, we're willing to do that. So it's yeah, it's just fucking get back on track, like we had to, and we'll be okay, hold ourselves accountable, all that good stuff, and yeah, we got nothing to worry about, a hundred percent, and and that's a that's another thing about I've recently read this beautiful book. It's by Peter Till, who the guy who founded Amazon with Elon Musk. He wrote this book called Zero to one, and he talks about optimism, optimism and optimism and people who are into an elistic nature of people who are into people who are not optimist. Right, the dogs as an optimist, right, this two kind of optimists. Obviously, is an optimistic person who just think tomorrow is going to better, despite the fact that they do nothing to make it better. Right, if you're if you that kind of person, the chances are you're a...

...fool, right, like that's that's a fact, right, that as a fact. But if you're optimist who actually does something today because in hopes that tomorrow will be better, and you do something about it, then your chances are, you know, one. Once again, this is my opinion. So, you know, I may once again, I may change this, but today I feel like I'm the person who are in La Conseraim with you, right, despite the fact that we, you know the obviously we have optimism for tomorrow, that tomorrow is going to exist in this crazy time. That's why we are talking with such excitement on a podcast. Otherwise would be like, well, Shit's going down, we all got a good die. You know, you're to me right. So we're doing something in hopes of making tomorrow better. We're taking this into our own hands. So that's what's happening. I mean, everything makes different you know, the ocean was formed by a drop at a time, or whatever they call it, right, you know? So maybe this podcast is exactly what will change the next who knows? Right? The point is that's what optimism is for. But optimism without action is kind of useless as well, because that just mean you're hoping without any you know, it's like saying there was something that I something really funny that I saw. It was actually kind of looch about religion, which is really relevant to it about this podcast. That because we've been talking about that. It was there two kind of people. One person who works hard and goes, you know, I'm thankful for what I had, what I have. The other person, who sits at home, goes well, let the Lord shall provide. Well, no, that's not how it kind of works. Still have to work for it, but having the ability to work for is what you need to be thankful for. Yeah, that's the optimism, that's the being great for element and not letting it to often you in the sense like everything's okay, but yeah, using it right, it's like the optimism is like the motivation. It's kind of fuel when it gets to going and it keeps going. But you need, yeah, you need to stick with tested whether discipline will come in and help you stick with it, because you're going to go through the ebbs and flows, just like we are now, to have your bad weeks and good weeks and our lives are compromised. But yeah, as long as you stay in the race, as long as you keep trying your bloody and we've I've obviously this multiple times in this podcast, without doubt. So it's just applying that bloody knowledge we already know of right. And it's just like anything, man, when you're trying to like analyze something, you've got to look at it from both perspectives. You've got to kind of be harsh on yourself and also be easy on yourself to and the way you didn't didn't do things. And I'm going to segue now into kind of the topic of the day that we sort of a dabbed around, we did really get into, which is the video. We know we've got to hit this out of the park and I think this might see us through that mighty how we love to see. So we'll see how we go, but I've sort of took that approach to it. I sat back and afford about kind of what the media is and what it has been, what it is now, and growing up even only ten or fiften years ago, when I was in the education system and further back, particularly before the term of the century and we had obviously the massive rise of the Internet. Like the role that the media had was kind of that me be at of that middle person in life, kind of the representative for the people, but also for use very much as a political tool for, you know, politicians and people in leadership, and it was, it was predominantly, particularly where we are used for good. There's plenty of examples where it's again, particularly war time or any other time it's been used for a negative but we always kind of respected to figureheads that was the media because they were there to kind of keep everyone in line. And as technology in the business of media shifted, even that article that you read right at the start of the podcast, which to this day I still laugh at. It is just so ridiculous. No one's going through and critically analyzing that because they've just got to shootout so much content. They've got a shifted their business model over now where they're not just making money off being good people and going around and asking the right questions. They've got to be flamboyant, they've got to be controversial, or at least they perceive that anyway. Funny Enough, the most popular people in the podcast fear and people that are sort of making more money now than even the big dogs in, you know, those sort of big channels. People just don't want that sort of skewed way, but that's sort of the way they've shifted. So I don't think what you know. I certainly don't want the media to go away because then it's just bloody free roaming kind of town, but and it's just not good for anyone. But I guess I want your opinion on it as well, because you're so deeply immersed in it and your you have a great understanding of digital media and marketing and how it's meant to be used and how it can be used. Is Is it time for us to kind of evaluate the role that we play on media and society and do we you know, it kind of will help in a lot of senses. I don't know. You are. Still seems to be a lot of people that seemed to respect what they hearing and that sort of formulates a lot of decisionmaking and people's opinion about particularly what's going on with the circumstances we've noticed been going on for a while. Do you think it's probably time that we are reevaluate that and got a look at that role in society? If that's a it's a hard question answer because you might have already skip past that stage and maybe...

...you've let them go. I don't know. I think there's these are these are multiple levels to that question. I think no. If you look at media itself, right, the media, what you said was absolutely bang on the mark. Media was the people, media with people, one of us. They were the one who were going to war and they were heroes. Once upon a time. They were heroes because they were going to wars to just tell us how our loved ones were doing there. Right, was how was Australia doing? How was you know, you know war is not good, but at the time we thought war was good, right, because that's how we just sit. Necessary evil or this is right. So that's how we processing and regardless of whatever it was, right, we thought it was good at the time and whatever it may be now, you know, we saw those people as heroes, right. So what they they came a point when, being a person who, you know, was in the media or the press, you were the agent of truth, right, truth, and you're looking you studied media. Yeah, so we're see, we saw it. We saw that sort of young optimism, that passion that we kind of had first entering the field too. That's exactly that's exactly what I was about to say. You know, I remember going to uni, when being with the students, and they were so excited about their truth. They were excited about they were excited about, you know what what is to bring. They wanted to be the they want to be the people who fight right. They wanted to fight for justice, because that's what media's always been. They've been for they they've been voice of the people. So hence fighting for justice. Right. What the problem, where the problem came in, was when the Internet came around, right, the Inter came around, because for a very long time the basically, let's call it, you know, media, or news media particular, right, was worked off two kind of levels. Right there, they did basically advertisement and they made a lot of money of advertisement for very small even running like one at Edward for Cocacola, and they got big millions. Right. And obviously more channels popped up since more competition, and slowly that kind of that just became bigger and bigger. So there was more channels and then enter Internet. Once the Internet came around, news loss its value in a sense where it lost that capitalism that it is, the money it had, the capital it add to be able to do that, to tell the truth in an ethical manner right. And it's really funny in business we talked about it. said, you know, Google has the opportunity to be ethical, where small companies don't, which is really interested, because the small companies is the one that get done for being an ethical kind of really funny, but you know, so it's like when you have the capital, you you know, the resources and the personnel, you are ethical. But once you don't write, once you don't once you go into this realm of trying to basically, you know, there's a saying that, because you know you're like hand to mouth kind of thing, where you just basically billy scraping and surviving, right is once you become bad, is the issue, because then then it's all about because you know, what if you want if you don't get the article out right now, because what if we abe ze gets it out? You know, if your channel line, what about you know, someone else gets it out, but then you were the last and then you'd get the less clicks on your thing, and so there's so many and then they all of it becomes relevant. So they end up basically posting things, with going public with things that is, you know, in dated, inundated with spelling mistakes and grammar mistake and it's actually some of it's not even factually correct. Now now news like, I know that news is always been, always has carried certain level of opinion, but news is more and but that's what's actually called opinion journalism. or it's called opinion. It opening sialism or something. There's a name for it, right. Yeah, it's a penny in pace, but yeah, there's a yes, it's and lincal journalism. Yeah, yeah, non research types or yes, it's basically saying how I what I think about it. Right, yeah, that's what it is. And there's that. We had said about that, and you need there was a unit for it. I can't remember what it was called, but I think you're something along along with something like critical thinking. We're basically were asked to think about. We get to say kind of factually, but still sort of say what I feel about. Yeah, if you know, if you're a journalist using in a war zone or your yours, immersed so deeply in something that it's your job, it kind of becomes a part of your life and you're able to formulate an opinion based off facts and experiences, which everyone, which everything is kind of based off your able to position, and that's kind of where that authority came from. That was kind of the that was kind of leveling of it. And why? Is the trust source there, I guess? And that was their role really. Yeah, exactly. And now going back to the Internet, now that they have all that,...

...now that you have facebook, who people can instantly actually advertise their own business. So all of a sudden, call it doesn't need the news media to advertise them. You know, ord cocollar doesn't need a Microsoft doesn't need the moment. When was the last time you see an ad for Microsoft on your TV? Just let me ask you this. Right, that will answer the question, because those are the big boys, those are the this that's where the money came from. That's when apple had a TV ad, a TVC right, TV commercial. Now they don't. So where are the news making money from? They making money from, you know. So they have to sell more ads for cheaper and you know, they have to get more out there, because more clicks they get, you know, more money they can you know, more they can monetize. And so they really just kind of trying to swim without knowing how to swim, kind of situation, because they're freaking out, like, you know, they really freaking out. So that's why it's like, you know, when you're when you talk about going back to cricket right, it's like when, you know when you when your partner makes you run through instead of too and then next ball, you know, your flat, you're like flat friends old right, your friendsled, and you you trying to face the ball. You're like, Oh, what the fuck am I gonna do? You know, because that's when the highest, highest chances are you going to get out, because you already just, you know, frazzled and you know you surprised and on top of that, you're you know you're gasping for air. If you did all the runs, you would have been fine, but you clearly you didn't. It's okay, if you know. That's why you're there, right. So in that sense, that's why they have to do things like that and they have to click bait people, they have to say things and at the end of the day, one of the things that media uses this. Once again, there's so many levels to this, so I can't just say it without actually analyzing it. So one of the things media uses is fear. Everyone knows so, as humans have ended their DNA to basically be more responsive to fear. Because, if we what fear is is a mechanism to keep us alive. If you really think about better, right, fear is a mechanism to keep us alive. The fear of touching fire. There's the reason why you don't touch fear, because fire is because you burn yourself. That's why you have fear of fire burning yourself. So fear is internally driven. It's actually very beneficial to it keeps you alive, right, otherwise you just step into the train in front of the train and you'll be like yeah, I don't care, you know. So it's remember, but media utilizes that and actually, you know us, this is to make put things in front of you, because if one of the articles scares you more than the next article, you read the one that scares you more, right, because you want to know the one you have a remember as well, you're more likely to share a tell a friend, and that's more people looking at it. That's that's exactly right. And and then on top of that is is the fact that media is using that. And then on top of that, media is always gonna remember if they also think about their longevity. Right. So keep in mind they have to support the machine or the capitalist system. So so many things that media actually says is in terms of supporting the capitalist system. Let me give you a small example. A while ago, while ago, and this is meant now. Now I'm talking about million assess where movies and movies and and news and everything. Right. There's a while ago there was a big push and so basically whole bunch of a whole bunch of big retailers came together. So let's just call them the David Jones of the world, and the the miise of the word, right, not particularly those company, but those kinds of free companies. Right, they came together and this it is. We have a problem. Right, they said, what's up? What's the problem? The problem is that women by the latest clothing, women by the latest clothing, the latest lipstick, they buy a hair products and they buying all these things, but men aren't buying anything. They meant by one pair of jeans and they ware for like forty four years. And such a huge problem to our right, because that's what I'm true, right, parents, that's what our dad's did. Write. Our Dad's were gin and they he had that genes from one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven in still works a life started, mind still got him on, because that's how the problem was. Right. They were like, well, they're not buying that, right, they don't buying more and you know, on on one occasion maybe they'll buy a new shirt if, if we're lucky, otherwise they'll keep on the same one. And they weren't even getting a hair cut, let alone anything else. They had all the headlong hair because they're like well, that's cool. You know, they weren't even getting a haircuts. They're like, okay, well, we need them to get to the buy, because literally fifty percent of the fifty percent of our customer base is only buying the item once. And if you work in retail and you understand how important it is to have you know how I want to actually have stay. Yeah, returns by money class. Yeah, yeah, yes, so, this said, will what can we do? While one of the example, one of the solutions roll, let's drop the quality of the items so people have to buy it again or all. Cool, cool, that's cool, but that's still not stopping from people from just fixing it, right, because that was the first thing. There is, they're going to drop the quality. Over then people just kept on fixing it. Right. It's like, okay, well, we need to come up with something else. So then they introduced the the what call is the modern modern attractive man. Right, the modern attractive man was a...

...lot more feminine compared to that, the previous attractive man. That modern modern attractive man, or the symbol of sex, symbol, symbol, that person that symbolized attraction or the masculinity, was a lot more feminine, to be feminist. So that means a person who all of a sudden was skinny jeans and war hair products and meant to the gym and looked after the skin and shaved and I had clean haircuts and adapt a lot more of the future of the feminine kind of the time. Right. Once again, these things are not particularly particular to a gender. But what I'm saying is why, why they came in that time right? So they said, okay, well, we have to support so all of a sudden, so I was like, how do we get that message across? Well, clearly this is only one way to do it, to movies, that advertisements. So in movies, all of a sudden, if you notice there's actually a you'd be very if you actually go back on movies, you'll be able to see this very clearly. It all changes in around one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine, Ninety eight to ninety nine, that's when it changes. You'll see all of a sudden people who looked slimmer and people who looked had more, you know, Blue Eyes, people who had more like, how do I like, more feminine features, like soft features, became more predominent movies. Yeah, yeah, there was like always your jams bonds and the sex symbol, but they were generally pretty ragged and rough and kind of matured type people, those type of guys that would wear a pair of jeans to death and not buy any one, you know, for a little while. And Yeah, shift and a focus and it was almost created. They almost created a different, you know, a person that we, you know, much more, you know, simulate with compared to the older generation. So it's not that we're bad mathing at it any what way or another, but that's kind of the power and that's how I'm in Christmas, in the self, Valentine's, they like, these cultural things that we celebrate no society were all manufactured through marketing tools, and that's kind of what media is shifted to write like. It's just becomes so so, you know, because it's needed to, obviously because it needs to survive, but it's shifted into the main focus. I feel that the way, that's exactly right. Some very strong people realize what with the power of the media was and they started utilizing it as a lot of type psychology that goes on with it and just understand what people like and playing on people's fears and even what people you know, everything, everything, every emotion. Really saw my psychology and and like I mean going back to this group R example that I was using and actually, you know, I looked in deeply into it. So this is like the one they they've got together the smallest psychologist, they've got them, some of the best of the team together to actually in develop this program there was actually, I think it's still there. It's like a big, big, cool cohesion of these advertisement companies and detail companies. I forget what it's called. Is Beast out of England, but it's a company. It's a company that work on these kind of items like basically to work out new technology, shall dare I say, life, to advertise, right, how this helping? And if you realize, what we've always looked up to is always been the people who are on TV or famous, right, we've always always seen the people who know well known as because that's what it goes back down to. Human needs of life have being basic. Human psychological needs are like, you know, being in need to be more. Have that value. What is it called? You know, have that have some quantifiable value in the world. Is What what we all aim for. So we listen to the people who have a quantifiable value and it's called it's also like a group thing as well. That's why that's why you find if you're if you're a dude or a girl, right, you find if you're a girl and you're in a relationship, you'll find a lot more guys hit on you. And same thing if you're a guy in a relationship, and said, doesn't matter what, what kind of relationship are in, if you're in a relationship, you'll find you'll get a lot more people, you know, basically, you know, giving you, like throwing themselves at you because you're unavailable. Because scarcity. Right. So we've always been in this good thing. Big Do this too, Labastra. A one, scarcity. Second one is because it's already proven that you are a good partner. So you know, why would I is called social what is it call? It's called social proof. Social Proof, that's what it's called. So social proof. So I don't need to know in order to know. Well, if you have a like, you know, let's say, if I'm a you know, if I'm a girl, I already know you have a girlfriend. So you're not a serial killer. First, fine, I can just go with go for you. Right. That's how the brehuman brain works, and that's why we look up to people who are famous, because we're like, well, everyone's looking up to them, that's why we must do exactly what they're doing in order to become famous. Then everyone will look up to us, then we'll get all the girls at all the boys, and that's how our brain work cries, and that's what media utilizes, that to put us into this weird situation of where we end up giving in to such things off like, you know, whether become a right, I mean whether be good for a bad right the way, there was a good thing for us to become more Familiari. Maybe it was a good thing, and I...

...think there is a there is actually a nice thing about being a little bit more touched with your feminine side, because you know, you can understand your feminine partner better. Right, time for the feminine side better. Right. So it's plus. It's nice to take care of your teeth. Plus, it's nice to look mystically. Yeah, exactly. So all these things. That matters. That's that's just that's that's a serious point to it as well, like it's not just the quality of man. Stopped and look at the compare the type of person, but the amount of the amount of things, like it's it's evolution in the best way possible, because people have needed now to adapt that to survive and kind of fit the mode of social proof, which is kind of inn a sense. Obviously, as you mentioned, mimicking and following what other people do or creating something and then allowing other people to dream. Or Matt you know if you see the one, but the older was that old spice body wash, and like just having someone like that at the Foro for one, and people wanting to copy and and it's just it's like guess that. It's the same with sport, like you know, if you're selling a supplement, you're going to get Lebron James, so you're going to get a high paying athlete. You're not going to get some bloke has been tested positive for cocaine three times that he's just got out of jail. You're not going to get him to formulate. It's it's just it's a dirty old and social proof is a good, good rule term there too, because it's so prominent in throughout society, not just in not just in what we are going through now, but everything like what a people doing, like what's the next thing to come up and the media. It's just another thing to me they're using so well, isn't it? Hundred percent? Hundred percent anyway. So basically, hopefully that kind of covers that's a big rand about idea. was there. was what I what I read, man, it's some yeah, because I don't want to say something and just seem like I'm just seeing it because I just hate the Medea. Right. Yeah, it's really I'm a lot of the media. I'm part of the media, like I work in this industry. Understand the value of, you know, Click Bait and all that stuff. What I'm saying is the problem is when that's being done in a in a crisis, for for you know, basically capitalizing on something of in people's pain is kind of sad. You know, at least two into my values. I don't maybe it's not in other people's values. Yeah, obviously not, because it's it's such a big part of the business, isn't it? But it would be something that you know, you it's like the old question if you know you're offered a million dollars, what would you do? And obviously that's a question you can only answer when you go through the experience. But you just hope that and it's obviously the people that have the position in pot in power and social influence. Like there. It's a business, so you've got to you've also got to be at able to educate yourself another people on it to and that's kind of what we're doing now. And when we going through a way of thinking about like we're coming back at each other and we're we're opening up the conversation because it needs to be done. And you know what, I guess when you've only got four minutes on TV to talk about the protest and you've got to get in as much as you can while you're not going to go for at all. So that's kind of why we feel we need to go through kind of everything we do on here. But it's the way that we I think, the why, the reason why both you and I process things, I think, pretty well compared to the average person, certainly about age to we have a pretty good understanding of even the things we don't know about because we're able to look at things that way. So maybe we can all take a little bit more of that. And I've just been I've learned that off watching other people and looking and learning off other people. I'm sure you're the same. Like it's just about not being again, not being married to one idea, I guess, and being open, willing to evolve and change and and I certainly feel I've been affected by Covid but I feel like I you know, if it was a few years ago, I feel like it might have jad me a lot worse. So, Hey, that's probably one good way to look at it too. A hundred percent an each day would become stronger. And you know, and I say this like this is normal thing, and here, which is really funny, because coming nineteen has told me a lot. One of the things that it told me, we're taught me, which is which, you know, funny enough, our politicians keep on saying use common sense. I realize it's a big assumption saying that a ruin's got common sense. Unfortunately, people don't. And you know, I've been seeing a lot of conspiracy theorist jumping up and down like boiling adds eggs in a pair in a you know, Saucepan, basically. You know, you know, it's really interesting because they believe in something so speculative and they believe it with all their heart. Right, you know, maybe I just wonder sometimes I was like, it's important to hold your ope. It's important to know facts right, it's really important. Wanted to be self aware of why you believe in something that you believe in. Where did it come from? Right, to come from a credible search? Did or did you watch a youtube video from yea, from a channel all six nine zero, Iluminati, right, cract code one, right, ways, that knowledge coming from that knowledge. Yeah, you know, a lot of the time you'll find things are very logical. The life is logical. Right. So when you really think about it, when...

...you get to the bottom of actually talking about that, right, Wiki leaks just dropped so bunch of their life, whole bunch of all their files over the years, which is really funny. But talking about don't in general right chess is are there's no real super conspiracy to end the world of this one person who is doing things. Because the reason I say that this, because the reason I say this is aren't there's no chances, or they might this few less, you know, very little chases, because humans are probably, you know, how do I put this? Like we can't keep a secret for Shit. Yeah, exactly right, excry, but we gotta keep a secret of Shit and it comes out very quickly, right, especially nowadays with all this technology, every kid, every man and their dog can hack something, right. So it's just, it's just. It's not. It's pretty unprobable. That is a grand plan from this grand master WHO's trying to end the word and trying to claim all the money or something like that. It's Roan Asleep with all the women and trying to, you know, turn every man, you know, get your like the I feel like this. Very few chances, you know, and you know I someone was saying how we dealt with Koby nineteen really bad, and this is, you know, we're gonna kill the economy. It's gonna last one for fifty five years and we, the whole universe, is scooled because of this. Yeah, but what, like, what we meant to do? It's like people pretend like they know something. It's like, man, if you really do, then why didn't you used to run for government? Once you run for Senate, why don't you run for the President? Right, right, this, yeah, yeah, went to run for any and if that's not what you want to do, if you really understand, just ask yourself this. If you understand something, is there a chance? Is other people who understand this. Is there a chance that millions, the thousands of psychologists in the government hires that could understand this possibility, or the economists who actually study this Shit could understand this? Yeah, live and try. Ask Yourself. But yeah, yeah, yeah, just ask yourself this, because same here. I can sit here talk all the Shit I want about psychology and you know, but I don't claim to know as much as the people who. Maybe I do claim, but doesn't mean I know that much. Is that going to me through? Yeah, studded hurfully, will study. You know, yeah, good a job, their career for period of time. But you can still have a understanding and you just yeah, you just don't go far and excitive. What you you know, you you're capable of understanding. Really, yeah, that's efactly. And Look, I may actually the Times actually tell you that I'm exact, I'm hundred percent right, right, which I do it time to time, because I'm only human, like everyone. We all are right. We do think sometimes, we and that's why we're saying sometimes I feel like it's important to not be emotionally attached to your opinion, but I do think if you can think of something I can guarantee this or someone's already think of thought of something. If you really think, if you doubt, that you're the only person. Let me give you a small exercise. Right, think of a business name and you think of it a Business Stam that you think is super exclusive, and you the only person thought of it or business idea, then go google it. Trust me, I've been doing that a lot. Everything is that I was. Think of a name of a podcast and try giving what I'm saying is human brains, and that's another thing. Right, you're not special. I'm not special. None of us a special. were all basically kind of like a carbon copy of each other. Move do work a little bit different time to time, you know, doesn't matter what your religion in you and I pretty much the same like. We don't very different. So if you think that you know something that no other person does, you're probably wrong. So I think that's why conspiracy theorist are just so silly. That's why it's better to just work together and try to get through hard times. Yeah, and it's hard. It's hard to like, I understand, and I was certainly at a period of my life where I under understood what it was like to be deep in that world, because it becomes very addictive. INVIDE come up part of a club in a lot of ways if you need or know someone who's into it too, and you both kind of get along. And there's obviously been so many things, like when money is involved. There's been so many things throughout history that you could say is a quote unquote conspiracy theory, but it's not really. It's just people that are in a position of power or money being bad people and doing bad things and trying to take shortcuts. And it happens throughout life like bright, even if in this Epstein stuff. Man, at the end of the day, what that is, man, is that's just so one at the absolute most deepest that conspiracy will go is it's someone that just wanted to be able to control powerful people. So they wanted to be able to control politics like people do with like people do right now, with money and investing in certain parties and people. So that's as far as that goes. It's not this grand plan to, you know, out people and whatever else. At the end of the day, it's just you need something done and if you've got some some evidence of someone doing something bad, you know you can control that person and you know it's people capitalizing on money. I'm sure there was a lot of money involved with that. To A it's it is easy to get caught up to it, and I definitely get caught up into it in myself and I have to be constantly checking myself and making sure I'm actually looking at both sides of the argument. And you can get you know, something called...

...confirmation bias. Like if you've fought about anything, you can look that up. You can hear that point of view all day long. Look at the other side of the you see what kind of is there and formulate your opinion and do what you can and move on. Just don't let it bloody overtaken. That's kind of what happens in both regards. As your protesters who were doing it too small percentage that are doing it for the wrong reasons, and it's the same that the small percentage of people that are conspiracy theorists, even though it seems like it's a lot of people. Just the Internet's a very powerful thing if you know how to put your message out there. But yeah, so you can look at it like that and they definitely will be at people that will argue the opposite and say there's most people were silly and most people don't have common sense and it's, you know, it's the ten percent that are right in the ninety that are wrong. So you know, who really knows? But I tend to be a little bit more open, openminded and positive about that. I guess a hundred percent in just before we go, and I'm just before we move on to this neck and move before I was a comment does but I wouldn't. I'm gonna make this comment right with this is actually this whole board. Gust has been actually an incredible piece of journalism. I guess those degrees at Uni's are being up. My Dad, that HEXTA has come back, come back to US eventually, you know. You know, because this was and let an that thin full. If that's that's right. That's right. We was, you know, kept that had a good conversation. We kept both of each other on us and we're doing it in our lives to making sure they would bring in, you know, our self up and we're bringing that sort of to the table. And why not just going off and falling and slipping away, because you need that. It's easy. It's easily caught up a hundred, one, hundred ten percent, and the comment I was going to make was misinformation is one of the biggest problems in society right the biggest problem we have is not wars or crump or any of those, is misinformation. The reason I say that misinformation just if you if you don't realize the value the problem misinformation, just look at the whole the problem of the big problem, but with baby formula in Asia. But that's because something. I think, what was it exact? I don't remember. Once again, this is miss this could be more than that. We are being shipped over there. You know, with the the whole problem started with, naturally, nestly, nest less sending out their workers, they're stills people dressed in white, but never saying that they were doctors or something like that, and suggesting that they should take up Nestle's baby formula and obviously necessary form and then parents just told that was the better way to go instead of breastfeeding the kids. Yeah, and I actually could I could be wrong. I don't know that all correct, all the facts here, but I remember studying this. That's how it was and it was a big debate about it because that was unethical to do because they didn't know if they were doctors, because all of us really just thought of his doctor abroad type thing situation. So misinformation is a huge problem and because you could try to crack misinformation and never really works because, you know, let's just say it, once information spreads, let's say, it's like error rid. It's like once you shoot an Arrow and never come back to your book. It's kind of kind of situation. So once you say something about misinformation, because there might be someone who never listened to the next things, just listen to this one thing and then we'll go on the rest of their life believing that fact. You know. So it's such a huge problem with misinformation. But we you know we right now is the biggest problem with misinformation. But flip the coin over, I guess, and of this will be my last little for it. Would you know, you always have people growing up or might do this and go go ask John, he knows everything. So we have, you know, in one we have an abundance of information, we have the ability to find out almost anything, which is beautiful, but then we also have the ability to see a lot of things that looks credible, that should be credible or isn't, and we have the ability that consume that as well. So it's a slippery old slope back, but that's life, isn't it? That's fucking laughter. The rule of the thumb is if the information that you got was to convenient, know that the chances are it's probably not that credible. The more credible the information, also more credible the information it's a little bit harder to get right. Yeah, it's really hard to explain how. Yeah, it's hard to understand. hard to understand it's harder to go read the read the actual paper. Are The con the Congress right, to actually get exact the paper out of out of a bill? It's a lot easier to go read up be a news article from Channel Nine, despite the fact that they may have changed some of the information to yeah, that's so now. Yeah, what I'm saying. But if you want to correct information, you'd go read the actual paper of the build you'd actually reach the bill. Same thing with like when, let's say, when you read a book versus listen to a podcast. You could listen to this podcast. You could get some of the information is correct to us, some of it is our opinion in it. But if you go read a book about, you know, psychology and about politics, you get a lot more out of it. You'll be more factual, but it requires more effort as well. So I think what it's a rule of thumb is if the information was too easy for you to get, know that it's probably not as credible. I think that's a good rule for me at least. That's the rule I work off. But...

...then again, you know, you could read a book, you could read up, you know, paper are the you know, a bill that is actually not a bill. Who knows? Right? But the point is generally the chances if I'm going to read a bill out of the Australian government or the Bureau of stats or whatever, right, it's going to be probably more closer to the truth than what Channel Nine provides me or facebook. One of my friends facebook posted about certain things. Yeah, and it more of the not and you're going to be able to figure it out. You're going to be able to see another side way. You know, we spend most of her time on our social platform. That's going to work where. You know, that's probably affecting a lot of it to a lot of those conversations we're having online and people can kind of say whatever they want. So hey like it, and definitely it's, you know, we're consuming the media to it is it's a consonant only from both friends. But man, if if that's that's anything else you want to add, Bra if not, Matt, that was really good. That was that was awesome. I don't think it really really enjoy that when we got into some some deep waters. They might, but I think we'll come out stronger and it's a beautiful thing. I such a good episode to be back at such a strong episode. I think I'm very excited with back and keep let's commit to a weekly episode. Lock it right. Yeah, irefully. They've got to do it and we've got to do it and we'll try to plug in as much. We can't even fill some of those caps, because I think it's what we can do this more often that we just got to give ourselves be disciplined enough at least to commit to once a week and and just just go with the flow, man, get out of my own head in a lot of ways and just have fun and do what we do. We're loving what we're doing, so dost really end and you know, to be completely honest, I've been for a very long time. I've been holding back my political views and said yeah, things, it's fine, but it's like it's good but not been. Like I'm there's some things that you were saying there that it's you know, it's kind of on our end a little bit to not try to wrap the web too deep as well when Jeff Bath on a point. So we can definitely go into certain topics, but we're going to have some really fun debates because we think have great opinions and we both feel very strong with that what we believe. So yeah, it's going to be generals. Well, I'm seems like the you know who, clever dummy spodcays, also known as the political debate, but a little or also more technique pot from not yes, Croab. We don't watch that day telegraph. Anyway, this is it. So it's been good to be back and I'll let you wrap up, lacklyn ASS now. Thank you. Might Love you dude. Episode Number Thirteen. Thank you, guys for listening. If you're on spotify, apple play, where else can they check us out out on the website, you can obviously see us in the socials, instagram, facebook at clever dummies, at clement dummies, and look up us on Google. We are pretty like some. We've, you know, be on review side, on podcast side. We are now. We're now on Google podcast. If you want to check out, google us on Google podcast, which is available on iphone and Android, as well as on the website, which is actually up, will be up later tomorrow, which is www dot podcastcom. To a. You not not dot a, you so clever dummies podcastcom. It's international now, so that's awesome. Also up as well, so very exciting. That's got it all on. They might all our socials where you can check us out give us some feedback. We love hearing it, even the thumbs up, a bumbs down, and yeah, let's just keep the ball rolling it. Yeah, that's it. And if you got any political arguments you'd like to have, please give us a shoutouts and we'll do a podcast together and we'll rip you any one again. We need to do that part. They were Charlotte Mike, so let's get shut out to shall watson. I'm all right fight. This has been the clever dummies podcast, lucky in the make, where.

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