The Clever Dummies Podcast
The Clever Dummies Podcast

Episode 12 · 2 years ago

The CDP // Ep12: Human Nature in COVID-19!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Friedrich Nietzsche

To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering.




Um then it is Sunday, Fun Day. How are you going today? My brother having a good having a good weekend. I look just loving life as always. You know, it's just a beautiful life we live. You know, ups and downs, but nonetheless it's a beautiful day. Yeah, I can, I but still obviously up here on Copsarver and it does take what we do get maybe a month a cold, but the winner. But yeah, we've had really like the last two months. We've had some brilliant weather and today was just magical. The water is getting a bit cooler, but up here, yeah, we are very lucky. Sir, I don't imagine down a Mel when it's starting to get a little chilly, but starting to feel a snow coming on. Look, Little Chili's might be an understatement, but yeah, well, it's I'm going to Sydney tomorrow. I've packed a Shitload of jumpers. I don't think I've wanted jump in about nine months. It will say how we go, apparently they again that's a recus. Look, it's not too cold, but I think you do need some warm clothing. I just invested in some thermal socks because I've never been a sock person. But turns out, you know it, they're very comfortable. It's like the big trady ones with the flu roads or around it. These are different. There, the there, the furry ones. Shit, yeah, there, the I've gone. I've gone for Melbourne. Yeah, just watch out for the Athlete's foot. Might sometimes get a bit sweaty underneath there and the carriage. They to pull those sack as apart. But yeah, I think it. I've got a socks by. There's nothing like a good you know, as my parents always said when I was younger. You know you're starting to get on in the years when you appreciate a good new pair of UNDY's and socks and a board a pair this week and nothing quite like it. That's exactly that's exactly right, and especially when you're not, you know, turning the and is inside out and putting it back on. You know, yeah, it's really no throut anything designed to become the bearer for a few days and run it over again. But yeah, that's stories of young boys. What what are you been up to? Might has the business. Get on house, says life, trade your might. That's wine. Everything going all right now? Things are good. Things are good, things are good, things are quite well. I mean, obviously everyone is going through the whole covid nineteen situation and so am i. just like everyone else, business is effected by it. But nonetheless there's always opportunity in chaos. Nonetheless good, and I'm just trying to capitalize on that opportunity, with keeping in mind that, you know, the you have to sort of have like downtime as well because, you know, there's that uncertainty, uncertainty at time, so you still sort of have to like take some time back. So it's obviously not business as usual, but it's still good. I'm you know, I'm quite happy things are going well. You know, feeling well. You know, just some things are starting to come down as well, which the mine. Yeah, it's a little bit like that, like you definitely go through waves day and day out, and we kind of been. It's been over a month now. It's April pretty much didn't exists. That's just how fast that went. I think what lockdown might have started much on the eight. So we've been in what nearly five weeks into a now I'm hopefully they're talking may eleven. I think they're going to start opening some things up restrictively and for that'll CE JIM's come back to life, which will be fucking exactly what so many of us need. My opinion of Jim is a central service, but regardless, it's a topic up for debate, I'm sure, and you know the run a pretty good spoot here in Australia, so hopefully that that's the case. Have you downloaded the the covid safe nineteen that much? Have you download the APP yet? No, I haven't, and I don't know. You can get get into the argument. Yeah, so you're not going to look at to turn it onto always and have them know where you are at all times? Just go than that. Look not, not particularly. I'm that's not my ultimate desire to be a real exactly. I...

...am for sure. For sure, because it is for our safety, is it now? No chance, Bro. So my thoughts and my quick two sets that we can go deep on it if we want to. OFF NOT. But like any most APPs use nowadays, they all have, like most of them have, a location request. When you download the APP, they'd like to know where you're buying certain things are, where you're accessing from. I'd like to use it for the bank, so I know where the closest ATM is or obviously Google maps. But I've actually turned it all off now except for Google maps, and I only have it set to ask upon request, which I think is the best way to do it. But it's just, you know, it's unfortunately there's bad people out there and it's not just not just being half, but there's also a there's also a disk. There's a little bit of dishonestly, I think that goes on with politics and in the government and who knows who actually is going to get access the information and it's one of those things once you give over that permission, like when this all blows over, it's not necessarily just going to get deleted and wiped out and they're not going to use it again. It's some pretty good technology and some pretty good information they're going to have. They're going to be able to do whatever they want with it. So I understand why they're trying to do it principally, but it's also it also has a lot of a lot of ways that it can be fucking that it compliant. So yeah, I don't feel comfortable using it, so I won't. But I know apparently over for me and people already have to each their own. Well, that's exactly look up, you know, if they download it, that's for sure. Yeah, if I'M gonna, if I'm going to get into it, but I'm just going to I don't particularly want to get into that, particularly stopping, because that would that would drag out about at least fifty five minutes of an episode. I just want to I do want to say, however, the problem is it's not necessarily the fact that government, I don't want government to know where exactly I am because I'm doing something illegal or whatever. Right. It's the fact of it's a fact of it's dangerous, almost in a weird way, because right now what the APP uses is has full control over your Bluetooth as well as your wife. I don't think it is Wifi, but Bluetooth location as well as yes, so the problem with having collection with Bluetos. What it's doing is it's identifying other people based on Bluetooth when you come in a close approximity to people. Now the problem with that is so that's not just people identifying saying hey, you know, you came in big. There's a lot more they can do and now majority of the time things may be good because the government may be working in our favor, but I also think, think they could be a lot more things that can being done by just finding out who you have been in contact with. Yeah, actually, especially in a close up proximity, there's a lot more and you know, things could sometimes data doesn't. The scary thing about data is because humans can't really process data as it should be processed. So sometimes data can be misinterpreted, interpreted in a sense where, let's say, you know you were yeah, interpreted that word. So, you know, let's say if you were in a close up proximity to some killer or the time of a killing. Yeah, you know, let's to say. And then you just all of a sudden that that's a thing because you were in close up proximity to a killer. Maybe, maybe you know the killing was happening, he was outside your house and you didn't like you know, you don't know what good chances be because technology breaks down, but that kind of data and based on what it's like, the same thing. Do you remember how senses online right, it all broke down. You think the problem with is we often think that government knows what they're doing. The problem is the government doesn't. If you if you they they honestly don't, because if you look at if you look at how government operates, this still using system that were made in s or maybe not. That's a that's, as you know, that's pushing it.

But yeah, business model of a lot of the ways they operate somewhat like that. For sure, they're all they never very really their ahead of the curves. They're always catching up based on change in marketplace or another company or another product bringing something and that they can't force to change. Yeah, that's a really right and you look at the whole census system, you think the government that has, you know, basically access to on limited resources, couldn't build a freaking system that would allow for you know, our basic basic consernsensus to occur online? You know, it's really really up to wonder. But clearly, clearly the problem is because they don't actually have those reasons, not fact they don't have the resources. It's just about fact that people who are head of departments just don't understand, because you got to think about the month that it takes to be in the government sector when you could do the same job. Let's see, if you're a technology developer. Right, if you're the kind of person who develop technology, developed technology, if you're really good, if you're really good, chances are you'll go to public sector. You wouldn't go to government because you in public sector you'll earn millions where in the government acting it? Yeah, so you got to remember the government is born by those decision decisionmakers who are actually second to everyone else. You know, they're not great. So that's the problem with these people. And the someone was saying they need to release the code for this APP I was like, I mean the APP orties into Gure as it is. I mean, if you release the code, every chump is going to start hacking it. Yeah, fuck, yeah, yeah, exactly right. And then what, yeah, what they can do from there? The type of people. Yeah, and we're in Australia where we're pretty it's yeah, it doesn't look good. And if you look at kind of through our history, where governments have kind of paced in different different ways of controlling people, like location, access, of knowing where people are at all times and being out of them, and people what they can do and who they can see and how long they can be there. And you can't go here there, everywhere it's it's just, yeah, it is. It's just tricky orders, I guess. So you're right to be hesitant and like they can, certainly, they can, certainly request people are down at the APP and ask people, but they should never, they should never like Filip victimize or villainize the people that don't want to do it, because it's fucking yeah, it's just, it's just Murphy Water Out, just this like something about it, and you can you don't, even if you get into the conspiracy side of it. That's just, I think is basic human nature. Like do they have to know this information? Like, what do they have to know? Just minimal shad at all times, and I don't believe that. Once, once this, give it over, like you. Sure you can just delete the APP, but what if they what do they know about your behavior patterns from there? So, yeah, it's it's not even that the worst bodies. I just don't trust the government in keep making it, making sure that APP is yere, because I don't think that Eppi secure because just like senses, how that fellow we're good hacked. I just know one pretty much. It wasn't a great hacker. Someone just did it. So, just like that I don't think the government is capable of building systems that are unheckable. Yeah, and I would rather not give my sensitive data to some hacker, simple as that. Yeah, Google. Like in contrary, I trust Google more than I trust the government because I know Google is a company that builds extremely solid infrastructures and chances are even though if they willingly sell my information, is different to them. Just, oops, we got hacked. Yeah, we yeah, just like what happened when when they laid everyone off, close all businesses and they try to get everyone to gone the marcup website to apply for job seeker or job keep or whatever the payment is, and then if Fivezero people went on there and a crash the thing, it's just like size that we are with drying at best. They and I hang into that's will be rather if you do that in the market place, if you're a business and they do that, yeah, bloody shut. They ended two weeks. Yeah, it's just yeah, yeah, it's a great point. I haven't thought of it in that way. I kind of did, but I didn't really think about it in that way and it's just so obvious that's where people are going to go for especially...

...they're not working by they got all the time of the world if I can get in there, you know after well, that's exactly right. Any thing about thing with hackers is here. It's the society, the Hacking Society, the whole. Their whole ideology is very anti structure or the and it's not that they addresssarily pushing for chaos, but it's just the fact that they, because they are capable of doing that kind of things, they are going to do it. It's the Murphy's law, most Murphy's principle. If you're capable, if something's wrong, going to go wrong. It's will go wrong. Yeah, but yeah, so that's the whole a little bit of a take on the APP now this is a little bit of a late introductions is this is the episode twelve of clever time is podcast. We up to a dozen episode, which is very exciting. Yeah, they achievement. They might big achievement there. I think this is probably side as it is. This is one of the longest pieces of content that we committed to and to to a nice little accord as well. So we've been there's been some movement in how many people have been listening to the podcast and downward and which has been incredible, I think. Yeah, roughly eightzero people will have tuned in to listen. Not all of them finished the episode. Yeah, obviously. So, you know, some of some of them are bit grubs, you know, a bit of graphs of us up, for sure. Well, but you know, you never, no one can get out and we sent you never get about a hundred. Yeah, if you could, like, if you can clear ten or twenty percent, which we definitely did. Like that. So success in itself, particular when he's work, to get that many people and like those are people that we know. So yeah, it's pretty pretty, pretty roll. When he said that to me last night, you just you what, you just having a look on the back end the spotify and just, yes, I just hadn't had it. Yeah, hadn't, hadn't had a chance to look. So, which is absolutely incredible. So, you know, once again, I guess this is where we start saying. You know, this is where we start saying, Oh, thank you to all the people who listened to the podcast. Yeah, mys definitely, most definitely like but doing it with a chat off about yeah, it's just beautiful. That's just a nice feeling to know that people like it and people to reach out to us and tell us that we're talking a good job or they liked something we said or they've just found it, found the entertaining and that's cool. Get here. So yeah, but I thank you guys so much. Absolutely so that's whole bunch of fun. I'm quite happy about them, quite proud as well actually. So that's that's that little bit of you know, just something that I want to quickly bring up now for today's more of in depth topic, which I sort of particularly wanted to get into, which you don't haven't spoken to you about it lock and so this is let's spoke speak about this. Let's talk about this. So I've been recently feeling bit attacked by by people, right, by not everyone, but you know people. But I said the reason I've been feeling attacked because this people have been telling me or Snot people, certain people and just you know, some of my friends and some colleagues and different, different areas. So let's just say general, general population. Yeah, and so, and also some instagram post and videos have been I've been feeling attacked by those. So there's a big push in everyone. You know, everyone is right now. Everyone's feeling uncertain and there we talked about fear in one of our previous episodes and we can understand this at that episode is very relevant right now with everything going on. So I do agree that there's a certain extent of anxiety that you feel. In fact, I went to came out today and there was a line, huge line, to go into, came out and once I got into came out, there was pretty much nothing and I actually felt really anxious. I was like man, that's crazy. So I wasn't change. A lot of the shops up like the aisles of fools. fucking they've got hours in the middle of ours here. Yeah, he saw like a big one, big one, but basically empty, all empty. US crazy, the random as things were sold, like everything was. I was like, I feel quite anxious, like what's going on? So I agree that things are very uncertain...

...and you know it's a crazy time and the fear, fear comes into place and those basic phase that we talked about there happening. And you know, there's a principle about how people are beat the psychological needs and being met where connection is not there. You know, you people lacking connection everything. Now there's been a weird push for everyone to kind of and I wonder if this is a gender driven by something, but I couldn't really get maybe this is a this is another, you know, conspiracy theory, but I don't know. But personally I've been feeling attacked. So this's there's a whole push to feel things and I am all for people actually exploring what they're feeling, because that's really important. Feelings should never go on notice because you know you don't want us more. You suppressed, you're going to come back later and hurt you more, if anything. Yeah, now, but what about what the push has been to feel sad and so I've been getting this message from society that you need to feel sad because if you're not sad, where everyone else? You know you need to feel sad because everything else, you know you should feel anxious. The problem is, I haven't been feeling anxious and I haven't been feeling sad and I haven't been feeling depressed. I just don't I don't understand. If you feeling sad and little bit depressed and little bit anxious, all that's valid, but if I'm not feeling bad, if I'm not feeling you know, not feeling sad or depressed or inches it. That's not valid, because then means I'm wrong. I'm just not experiencing my feelings or not looking at my feeling. So I need to go back and check it again, because clearly I'm not right. Yeah, so that's that I've been sort of personally been feeling attacked by. But nonetheless, this is really it's a really interesting movement because there was videos about it and someone saying like, you know, you need to feel this is, you know everything. There was a video about by college emerge. Don't want to talk about them, but you know, nonetheless they made a video. I just followed them just for a good laugh because you know, that's how done. They're college humor. Yeah, but there's yeah, bottom. So you know, I followed them and I saw something and I was like man, this is I just feel like there's almost like a little push for everyone to feel sad and anxious, even if you're not really even if those feelings are anxious, Gen genuine, there's a push for you to actually feel that way and I wonder why that is, as that I say that again. So there's a weird push from society for everyone to experience this sadness, even if you're not right, even if you're not really in that little if you not like to be honest. I'm no, I mean okay situation. I'm pretty good, like you know, I'm not suffering come like other people are. So you know, people in third where countries would be if you think Australia, it's like, you know, if people experience in anxiety and all those things in Australia, just imagine what other people are facing right in other countries, even America, you know. Yeah, so I just makes me wonder why is there's a push for people to feel sad, even though there's even if someone may not be feeling sad, the push from society is that you need to feel sad and you need to be you need to feel down, you need to experience sadness, even if you're genuinely not feeling it. Yeah, that's a that's a really difficult question to answer because I guess the easiest way for me, what I think of immediately is like why, I like what would be causing? Like where's that message coming from? And people are going to feel a certain way and like, I'll be honest with myself, if I'm feeling sad or upset, like it has a little bit of a contributing factor to covid but that's I would have been going through this no matter what, like in my own head. So I was I'm pretty good at kind of identifying awhere my feelings are coming from and why they're there, and so I don't it's it definitely easy to blame it on something like that and say, ah, it was all good, but you really kind of just lying to yourself. And if you generally have, you know, so if you own a business or you've got some really major impact from what's going on, then of course, like you want to, you know, need to grieve or you need...

...to you know, it's you just need to get through it and you need people's help to get through it, and that's like a really good message to pat you know, not have your nambor on your back, but say hello to whoever you can call, call friends and family, like speak, reach out to people because people are feeling sad. So those are really good messages. But then there's that there's kind of like the other angle of that where like every every new story, you go onto every every you know, what most people talking about when most people are regurgitating is a negative head by and or a negative quite that they've hurt. So I mean, like it sounds like for me, I just this situation more than anything, is just proved like how up, how kind of far media, most traditional and any real mediev and new media online, has fallen and how their business is so flawed and so based off a certain business model that they have to, you know, they have to kind of obviously do what they can to get to a certain amount of people click the shit, but they just spewing out just hatred. Their spewing out like really negative things. Like in Australia we're doing really well, man, like we had a peek at the end of March. We had, I think the worst. It was like maybe four or five hundred cases a day of people getting it, and now it's fallen right down like we've got single figures of like the last two weeks. But you not hearing that any you're not hearing that at all, or you're not hearing that angle. You're not hearing like that. You're hearing of this few people still getting at others. There's one person in a in a thing somewhere or there's a cruise that happened three weeks ago. So like even a I think that's where a lot of it and you know, if you're on if you're online, if you're on social media, a lot of it, even though people aren't physically talking to each other, they're talking to each other on that platform. So, like, I think that's what it is. And a lot of people, you know, you can't just blame them for it. You've got to be able to think of your own two feet. But yeah, I think that's more than anything, really smart people that I listened to who said the same thing, like this is really like this will be the death of a lot of those people and when the people get through it. So yeah, that's what I think, because I felt that same way when it first started to when I was watching a lot of it, like I started to change my behavior and I started to look at the of the glass half for half empty, I should say. But I guess it's up to us to kind of eliminate that shit, to like if there's a negative person or if you do something negative or whatever, it's kind of off. So yeah, just like anything, just got to the source of if you don't it's not helping your life. You just brock to get rid of it. It's a shame, it's bullshit. It makes me upset too, but yeah, it's also so, yeah, absolutely. And Look, I assume the proper it's once again, it's a properly a propaganda thing. And once again, I really want to stress because, you know, in before we in, before I get I'm not saying that just because I want to say I'm being you know, I'm being good. But the thing is, I understand there's certain people are feeling down, and that's valid. Sure. How, no matter who you are, your process of feeling in the you know, is a valid right. Yeah, the problem is just like how your individualistic, unique process is valid, and that is true for any other individual who is not you. Yeah, and that's very important, right, because you know, if you're allowed to feel sad, the other person should be allowed to feel happy as well. Yes, yeah, and you know they just like and did. Yeah, and this is not opinions where, you know, you get offended by any like. This is not opinion where anyone should ever be offended. Right, this is more people's feelings. You can't controls. How control how people feel. So whether if, if there's a push from social media to hey, you need to experience your feeling, making that, you know, if your people aren't sad. People, everyone is sad, everyone is depressed. I actually think it's actually the push awareness of like, you know, awareness of this whole thing about like it's not I'm awareness is great, but it's also there's a weird agenda push off it, like you know, hey, you need to you you're feeling sad. You know you're feeling sad. Question Mark, question mark. You know. It's like the...

...whole idea of if you ever, you know, have you ever seen about you? Have you ever seen in? Sometimes, some, sometimes they'll be a like a pawn that's been going around right, it's been like famous right and some people haven't seen it. Then a news, news media will do a story on it and you know, and everyone will go watch it. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like if that ury where, let's say, even if you aren't feeling sad, because everyone's like, well, I think you're feeling sad, and you're like well, maybe I'm feeling sad, and in doing so you're tricking almost tricking your brain into going well, fuck, there's no help. Yeah, or you? Yeah, I need to be normal, so I need to I need to feel the same way. And if you surround yourself with that, like, if you hear it enough, that definitely sus affect. It doesn't matter what it is, doesn't matter how stupid it is, you can convince yourself eventually, like by sitting here, by being by yourself, or not being by being with the people that you know we would be with. Like I spent a good night with someone made up here last night and it was kind of a nice reminder that everything's are right and we're all in together and we're still the same, when not seeing each other as much as we used to, but everything's good. So if you don't, if you still not able to do that, and like we weren't socially distancing, show that shit up your ass. Faking six blokes or a healthy, fit young lads. Anyway, that's another topic for another day. So I know people, you know we're not encouraged to do that. Like you, I still respect the social distancing in terms of public space, because a lot of people are still scanning, a lot of people don't actually know what's going on and don't know the amount of people in the country that actually have its. They believe that they're at risk of you know. So then obviously we want to protect the orderly and those sort of things. That don't don't visit your ready five year old pop who's, you know, got three one lung but in. But that was a nice reminder for me. And phone calls can kind of do the same thing. So yeah, I guess when you kind of just are in clothes and you're you know, you're not going to your social circus, you're not going to work, definitely missing work for sure. So yeah, it can definitely that can definitely make it hard, but it also like, yeah, I definitely go through like big ups and downs for sure myself. But I know, I know what it's all about and I'm pretty skeptical of what by don't consume pretty much any media or I don't listen to public opinion. I'm kind of like you. If I hit one opinion of one thought, I tend to go to the opposite way and try to figure out what someone, so many people just buy. An example of everyone buying toilet paper, by people going to came out and buying fucking Cook Books or whatever the hell they're buying. Like that's just the amount of people in society like it sounds. It sounds thing, but it's true, like the amount of people in society that are just get flown over by a wind Gush, a wind of the they hide and it everywhere. So yeah, that's just a it's the truth in society. We all kind of do it, and this, the last few months, have really proved it to us absolutely. This is this is to be honest. This whole situation is showing our weaknesses and society and again is hey, it's not fear. I'm not attacking people having fear because I'm one of the most I can fit fearful people, I know, which sounds weird, but I mean just selfishness and not yet, not kind of not just not thinking for yourself, I kind of just going with it, saying all this is how I have to go. That's that's where we're going wrong with society not being scared. But what are we doing in that situation? And I would think it's people. It's not. There's a huge part of fear and there's also a huge part of huge part of just uncertainty as well. So that's what makes people crazy. But the hardest thing is for people right now. And this is what's crazy, because on one side, we keep on pushing and saying, keep saying that we are humans, are so incredible, we are so sophisticated. You know, we're able to feel all these emotions and this is what we can do, and this we all these things we can do and everyone is smart and everyone is genius. But we say this, but when it comes to something like this, but I'm saying, humans are capable of understanding and fighting their fire and, you know, and acknowledging their fight...

...and flight response and actually making an alternative decision based on common knowledge, you know, or based on based on group experience or accumulated a group experience, because we know for a fact there's only one way to get through this, and is that if we stick together, not physically, but, you know, if we stick to theether and, you know, watch out for each other and we actually go hey, you know, you know my you know the lady down the road really needs the toilet paper and she can't get at the house. Maybe I won't go inside our house, but maybe I could bring us some toilet paper. You know, that may not do anything for you. That is it? First, yeah, but maybe you'll do something for her. Yeah, and then the same thing applies. If you're if you don't really need something, why are you buying it? Because even in the worst of the scenario, let's say, we you know, no one knows how long this will go for it, let's say, if it goes for two years, you're not going to need the fucking cookbook from Kama. Yeah, yeah, my find that what is your exploded. You, and as humans, we are not that dumb, like, I don't think, unless, unless you're going to, unless, as a humans, we have to agree here now that we're stupid as shit. Yeah, and we are. We only just driven by our bread, you know, primordial instance. Yeah, because that's what it is, is a little bit of fear that's coming in and uncertainly, and then that's that panic. Like I have those thoughts have come across, like should I fially early on? Should I buy a lot? Like should I go in and figure it out? But a lot of people just don't have yeah, exactly, just giving straight into it. God, well, that's it. Yeah, it's just basically you have to you have to. This is what you have to do. Almost the the two things that you can pick. Either you agree that humans are primordial as shit and we stupid and we can't make we can't tell from right from wrong and we don't have that ability, which a actually, I'm going to quote the Bible here, which actually says, you know, when when Adam he decided and Adam and Eve took the took the fruit and they ate it, they were told they will become like God, which was be able to tell from right from wrong. Right. So that's that quote from the Bible. And so this this question of all right, yeah, the early genesis here, that very fucking report. That's so. So that was that was what he as humans, our ancestors, if you if I'm talking about this, is because you know, that's ancient human text and we've really yes, you know. So I'm not gonna I'm going to do reason I'm codding. That is because so many people believe that. Even if you don't, there some historical value to it, because such as a huge, larger, large chunk of society believes in that. So we as a society and our ancestors, if you if Adam and eve, where our ancestors, you know, made a decision to be like God and be able to tell from right from wrong. Right, and yet we are sitting here, this is where you this way. I want to argue with people is the fact that what happened to that right and wrong instinct? It's because that's what we thought for that's why they got kicked out of Garden of Eden, because they chose to choose, Jose to see from right from wrong, you know. And now this is in twenty one century, when we are a lot more smarter, apparently, and you know, we have we have constructs like, you know, these little cliques and these groups, and we want to fight for climate changes and all those things. So we are very advanced. Yet when it comes through a first sight of fear, apparently, all of a sudden, know him is just brimordial and they're afraid of find a fly. That's why it's okay. Yeah, and there's always been like a bit of a discourse the separation between kind of western and a lot of eastern countries. And yet, you know, for the most part people just don't have any rational understanding of the life they will lived and how, you know, how how they had to live day by day. And we get a ten per said, a...

...lot of people get like a ten percent. Look into it and you know there's certainly been people who have gone through a lot about shuit. But yeah, most people would sort of. It's really tough. But it's also not the end of the way. Now it's pretty much no unders the end of one and people just flip out, people discuss. So yeah, it's just it's so toxic, man. Like I stopped working at liquor land. I was lucky enough to be able to get enough governments a pout where I didn't need to work there. But every second person, you know, might serve to or three hundred people in a shift. Don't you worried? Men? The bottle shops were packed every day where we're like it was like Christmas, like how many orders we would do and how much sales would make. It be like a Tuesday afternoon and we're pumping eight, nine grand an hour, which is like Christmas time stuff for us. So it was insane and everyone's kind of there's like three different people which I guess kind of categorizes. Is One person who, you know, who's ultra, ultra like the old school. All this is fucking now for and you know, they taken here and they're close to poke down the bus, and then there's the other one who's like reading every headline and on the a seven, and there's people that are kind of in the middle, and it just got some exhausting and like this. I don't it's and I started to I started to change the way I thought and believed in reacted to like I got overly dismissive of it. I didn't take it seriously enough at first because I was just like it was kind of like my count the hearing people this are negative about it, but it's yeah, it's very it's good if you can take a good life lesson from it, which I think we are, you know, US and our small group of people and the people that we hopefully for a lot of people listening. And Yeah, I think we're going to be so much stronger because of it. We just yeah, you just have to. You just can't. It's very deep, like trauma. Just that sort of these sort of experiensis just brings out the truth and a Lott of people doesn't it. It's it's very the weakness of some tidy. Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, look, I'm not I'm not sure if we're proposing a solution, but I think wise what? What? I don't know if I'm right or, you know, if Lacklin is right, or who knows WHO's right? Right? Maybe everyone who's hauning up to all the pipper is right. Yeah, the thing is I think there is a process that you could go through of just going hey, if this that like a basy gift statement. Hey, am I do I really need, you know, aid gallons of washing liquid and four gallons of you know, well, fabrics. Not. If you actually look at what the supermarkets did, they had to get to a sage where they had to limit a lot of products because people are holding and those limits weren't actually crazy. Like you generally only need one or two packs of toilet paper week depending. How do people live if you only need a couple of packs of rice, unless you're just a carbohydrate savage? Like you only need a few things and within a few weeks. But if you go in a court, calls and bullies. Now they're almost got an overabundance of toilet paper. Like my mate, who is a packaging manager, calls are always up here. He's like, Roy, we've gotten, we've gotten truck loads of stuff. I mean that we actually don't have room for so, like once people were forced to go back to kind of the way they were shopping before. Like now it's fine like that. It's just people that ten percent, twenty percent of people had to go in. So I think in this situation they were, you know, many different yeah, at the end of the day, man like the last if shit really hit the fan, bro Literally the last thing. I'm more about his toilet maybe you can figure that out. B I'm worrying about food, I'm worrying about war, I'm worrying about you know, that sort of thing. I'm not worrying about if I'm my bottle was going to be clear, but you just get a get a hose, figure it out. It's anyway. I just want, I just want someone tell me what is the thought process behind the whole, behind the whole buying toilet paper? It was the sheep. I think it was like that sheep mentality. But there was a couple that I I can't remember, but I think it might have started as like a bit of a joke, like there was like a little bit of dodgy like a social media maybe like a subreddit group board for Charlie, you know, want the little ready. Yeah,...

...and like they said, I let's go buy a Shit Ltd of toilet paper and it just caught fire and one it was, you know, Channel Nine reported. Are saying all this supermarket in fucking Woodpook is out, a tall people, people going crazy. And then, for people don't understand how that actually like, don't actually know what's happened, they go fuck now, every every shopping tims be at that. Then people go out and then Bang, Bang, and then within a week people were actually getting some of the people that would have been loading up and toilet people were like fuck you, but don't get it. Now what am I going to get it? So I think that's probably what happened. Yeah, and then there was obviously the early fight people. Laughter. Yeah, I mean I'll know if I pulled out. This is to six now, man, like we've had. This is from three PM today. So we've had six hundred eleven thousand, five hundred and eighty three test in Australia done. So out of that of six hundred and eleven thousand, there's been six thousand seven hundred people confirmed positive. So that's one point one percent of overall tests. It just really shutdown the society for this. Ninety three overall deaths obviously really sad. Not even a high percentage of those. Yeah, over ninety percent of those where people above the age of seventy five and they all had under most of them had aline health conditions, so you could cats, lung issues, high issues, that sort of thing. And there's currently about just over five thousand seven hundred people who have recovered from it. So, though, we the reason why those numbers are as low as they are is because Australia really proactive and we kind of got on top of it early. It'll be interesting to see the last thing effects that, what this is going to do to people and what this is going to do to the economy and businesses for years to come for essentially something that and I don't feel comfortable saying it because I'm not a I'm not a health practitioner, not a scientist and I don't really know what's going on. But if I'm just look at the numbers here, one percent and then from there not even point five percent of those people actually passed away. Yeah, it's it's on. I guess I look at it like, wow, we did awesome, we did amazing. We smash this thing like this thing was ruining people's lives in Australia, are all over the world. In Australi has done really good job. But also look at them going fuck, where have the pegestential of not doing nothing for two months? And Yeah, a lot of people, a lot of jobs are going to take some time to like certain industries are going to be it's going to be a while before things get back together. So it's it's good to know that. I think we're through the worst of it anyway and hopefully it should be back soon rather than later. But yeah, uncertain. He is a little bit still, still higher, that's for sure. For sure, for sure agreed that. Yeah, I'm not friend there a little bit. I kind of just don't know what to say about it because I don't want to be I who just goes, oh, it's fucking bullshit and these guns are trying to ruin our lives. I don't want to say I don't want to be like that. But if I'm just looking at the numbers and yeah, it's we certainly want to protect the people that are at risk in the people who, you know, may may or may not be. You know, of have a high chance of catching this and getting really fucked up, and people certainly been really fucked up by it. But yeah, we brought it's a big wake up call for a lot of people that you your respiratory system, in your immune system, is most important asset you have, and obviously savings, having some money as well as definitely important. But it's get healthy, man. That's probably a positive to take out of it. The amount of people that have exercising outside now and kind of taking into consideration their health that maybe they just missed it they thought, you know, other things were a big priority. But yeah, that's probably good positive to take out of it, for sure. Look, if we can learn some lessons out of it, that's awesome. Have that all that matters, and I think if we can get lessons out of it, you will. You know, it would really mean a lot of the society and will be better for it. And you know, if it, if this whole thing exposes some of the weakness of the society, I'm not completely too mad about it either, because you know that way at...

...least we know what our weaknesses are and we could get we could address them, because awareness is really important. The thing is, if we do see the weaknesses, we have to acknowledge him, acknowledge him. I mean you can look at it, look at it, you can see a great example if you look at America. You know they've always just thought on themselves as this incredible democracy and you know their system is broken. As a country, they're broken, yet they will never admit it. You know, their House of card. I mean there's people out on the street in California. Yeah, what would they would basically does yeah, protesting that open us and there's like thousands of people on streets. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. I mean, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, I think over there they are. They obviously have that mentality. They have that really they have their their amendments, first and second amendments, and they have like a really a lot of people have like a negative stigma and opinion of the government. So they kind of really rebellious, I guess, in that sense. And and they also don't kind of have the sport that we had over here. So a lot of people got like a twelve hundred dollar paycheck and so, yeah, without knowing exactly what the circumstances were like this. Obviously a lot of crazy like that's exactly how as far as spreads up again and then if you if the numbers rise again, while you're not going to be going back because of that. You just contributed it to it. But I also kind of I also kind of understand. I don't I don't like. On one hand I think it's stupid and crazy, but on the other hand I go yeah, I didn't live there, I don't know what it's like. It could be could be there, could be tough. We also will said, pleased to be living over here. I think definitely one thing that it changes, as a lot of things that are probably change, is certainly hopefully, obviously, I think what was the numbers like? Ninety seven and ninety eight percent of the world anambiotics come from China and you know, pretty much most of the all's produced come you know, so many things come from China. So hopefully it forces country to start to invest back in their own country. And you know, obviously the reason why it has outsourced because it's backing business. Mean it's about it supplying to man and how kept can we get this thing for cheaper? So it's definitely not a complete. It's definitely a not a theological discussion, like it has to go down to numbers and everything else. I hope that, you know, I hope we can sort of reintroduce a little bit more dependence on our own self and I'm really interested to see kind of how it started and what sort of the like the nature of the Chinese government, how how they sort of broke down at first that it wasn't an issue and then all of a sudden it was killing people in Italy like crazy than bang, it was all over the world. So I think I'll be interested to see what kind of goes on there. There could be some some serious shit that happens in terms of people giving forced into like two people facing sits refercussions for whatever went on. So it's kind of watch that space a little bit that that are those sort of things will be it's wants. It all kind of blows over. They're not. It's kind of hard to investigate that sort of thing now because if you look into, if you read on what kind of how it started and everything else, how potentially like this kind of theories that it could not conspiracy theories but actually legitimate theories that it could have come out of the way hard by a lab that was obviously only a few K's away from the wet market that it was richly found to be from, and not so much that it was like a buy a weapon, that they wanted to release it or kill people, but they were experiencing on animals and it even got out just because they weren't secure enough if they're testing or they had animals that were being sold anyway. To be confusing to know exactly, but to see how it actually whole kind of started and whatever else. It's that. I guess. I've never lived there, Bro, but have you ever been to like a wet market type thing? You have ever been to like a place when they kind to sell food out in the open like that? No, not really, I haven't. Yeah, Thailand, they have it over there, I think. I'm not too sure. I haven't been to one of those. Yeah, okay, you went to Thailand to sort of did you just sort of you you won't in a too long are. No, I was there for a bid, but I didn't really...

...go to anything because in the cities, I don't think there are in himediate real cities it. Yeah, it's a bit more sort of rural, sort of in the in the in the jungles. But yeah, anyway. So the of matter, the fact of the matter is we'll live in a crazy world. So I think will wrap up for today's episode. Lock, if that's yeah, yeah, but you yeah, if you're if you're done. But do you have the I saw a little bit hesitates to talk about because it's b bit hard to know exactly what what's going on. Or is sort of this bit over to a well in the guy. I'll look. I'm really I'm really weird about I'm weird about the whole covid nineteen stuff just because, okay, well, now and now, if you know you're basically done, its good question. Probably that's exactly okay. Look, my problem is that my problem is I'm really I mean a weird plate. Mind said, where I'm sort of I'm seeing that there's a lot of the we aren't taking this as how we should. That's how I feel. I feel like we're not doing, not doing the things we should. But, you know, everyone each to their own. But I just feel like as a society, we completely fucked up. That's what I feel like. Yeah, I feel like we we failed we failed to do things, specially that whole you know, holding staff was I felt quite disappoint I felt quite you know, you know when your parents come in, just say, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. It's fell disappointed in as like, you know, it's weird. And then there's then there's the concer. That really didn't a massive problem. That really didn't need to happen like that. If this thing got worse, man, if this shit got worse and that had happened, like the amount of people that would have had basically necessaries, like it's yeah, you just feel kind of ashamed in the human race, a little bit a in pay. Yeah, that's it. And the first part is is the contradiction in our in society as well. We run around saying how we are so sophisticated and then we go on and do stupid shit like that. What happened to all the sophisticatedness? What happened to the Times that you were protecting the planet and, you know, running after saving the animals? What happened to all that? You know, what happened to all that sophisticatedness? So that all you know. That's that. I felt quite disappointed there now on the on the another thing the problem is is the whole conspiracy theories. They so much conspiracy going on and you know, saying, well, government wants to do that. Look, I mean maybe they do, maybe they do. Let's just say government did all this. Right, if they this was a test as a society, we fucking failed. Yeah, we feel if this was. Yeah. So, you know, people, as there's a conspiracy theory, is saying that, you know, Oh, how could this happen? This could have couldn't happening in money, in a million chesses. Well, that's exactly right. They are one in a million chances. But the is one in a million chesses, just like how life to occur is like one in one trillion chests, something like that. Yet here we are sitting on this planet doing this podcast. So just like that, you know, there's a there's a slight chance that are wires that would occur from jump from one animal to another animal. It possibly could happen. Or there's a possibility that someone was fabricated and build a bio weapon and they want you know, and that's also possible, just like how World War happens. People do shitty things. You know, but as a social society we feeled, yeah, that's most important here, regardless of even if it was he even what case scenario, in the small chance that it did come from that, like, at the end of the day, we kind of had a chance to prove to ourselves and prove to each other that we were we could kind of get through that sort of thing. And Yeah, it's familed in a lot of ways here. Now, that's it. That's a heck of point. That's a that's kind of the best way to look at it, not being dismissable, but you're also like, that's kind of the thing that we the other shit doesn't really matter like a fuck, even if it was a attack, Bro what can we do about it? fucking what we did about it was we'd panic flipped out and nearly created Freakin yeah, made it worse. Yeah, well, that's exact provide. That's that's exactly right, and we, you know, did. I think that's as a fundamental we have to admit,...

...and that's why I'm saying that. I I'm not saying I'm I see it separately from society. I'm saying, well, as we there's not saying I'm not saying you did or anyone else did. I'm saying we as a society did. We did together. We feel together, you know, we just feel to it, just like, you know, we feel to our ancestors went to wars and, you know, fought for our freedoms. And you know, when I you know, in Pakistan, obviously, you know, obviously, clearly, my ancestor would have fought for wars to get our freedom literally from you know, when, back when good old English was, you know, taking over, the word, England was taking what the work, and you know, that was a thing. And you know, and then they did those kind of things. Or we had to do with this, stay home and just sort of not get to to annoyed and just sort of, you know, support each other. But we couldn't do that. So there's that. And then, on top of that, you know, media, media is just pushing everything, pushing, media is just working, seeing everything. This is an opportunity to just do go on outrage of making money right now. So that's also once again, you know, I feel disappointed in my friends who I went to uni with, who are journalists. And then, you know, I said, you know, I'm just like, well, what happened to you? Idealism Shit, and I'm you know, is that what you generalist have come down to? You know, but then again, you know, they there. That's what makes money. And so the sad thing is, and now this way. You know, I never like blaming the capitalist society because everyone's like, oh, you know, capitalist society is the issue. Is Not the issue, it's people who live in the capitalized society at the issue. Just like how racism is not an issue, right, this not the minority is not the problem. Never is. You know, people keep saying we need to we need to stop, we need to stop being racist. When you stop being racist? And you know who was? It was in Nelson Mandela who said or said. Oh No, it was a Morgan Freeman who said that. He said the best way. So confused. Now, how's that for racism? He said the best way we will avoid racism if we stop talking about racism. Yeah, why do we need to talk about like that? Such a whole idea of that question on the right black history months or something like that, and it's like what, why do we segregate it to a month like Wi, isn't it? Yeah, talking, that's right, that's right. And I think. I think that's yeah, and it's like, you know, in in the arts there's a big push. Yeah, yeah, in in making movies there's a big push on making sure this different, different kinds of people in in movies. So it's not just why people right. And my only problem with that is these you people are just doing it for the sake of it, like it's just it's a talk. You know, you'd be a movie and there's a talking talk and black person and talking Asian person. That I and no, I'm supposed to accept that. I can't accept that because I think that I don't even enjoy the movie anymore than I'm like a fucking this is shit. It's like you, I don't know if you remember watching Flash Laughlin. Yeah, sure, yeah, and okay, so in Comics Irish was meant to be white. The change through with the Black Preston Black Lady. You know, she was a great actor, but I was just annoyed. I was like, I don't accept that because, yeah, the comics would written with it with a freaking white person. Just write your new stories with different people. Yeah, except they had the same luck. You look at the Ghostbuster as they recreated with a woman, CASS I mean whatever or good, it was terrible. Wasn't funny at all. That's really the most important thing, and even more so in terms of so in terms of like ladyship of business or politics, as a lot of sporting there's a lot of sporting bodies, even district and like even low level sort of volunteer base level kind of sporting administration, who want a certain amount of people in there. And I love diversity, absolutely. That's astrays built off, but you've got to get qualified people. You can't just be giving things out to people because to make the numbers up the all we need three, three, this, three, that like it. The best people need to be there. It's the same with it's kind of the same with government. Like a white you...

...know why we had to Legelod, but it's like why am we had a female prime minister? Well, one, obviously, there's certainly is like an old school mentality with a lot of those guys, but to grow women are just smart enough to realize it's a free and stupid thing to get into. I don't know what it is like it. We shouldn't just be getting someone in there because, you know, I let's tick the box off it's whoever it's the best person for it. And like it's kind of I guess there's probably started with some good intent but to include people in too kind of, you know maybe, and it's obviously easy for me as a white guy to say it, but to you know, to maybe bring closer people with certain people, certain groups have felt dishonored or felt like they've had bad disavengeres because of the way they are. Then absolutely, but kind of in that mission to kind of evil. Even at the playing fields, people just gone crazy and people just get in trouble now for doing yeah, so it's just a but that this all happened before covid right. So it's no surprise that the first same people doing that. You know, those same people, the ones buying shit lar toileting just now. Yes, so Jenny's like a hundred percent and you know, there's okay, I'm I don't want to bring other political issues into this, but I just want to mention one more thing. So everyone's been saying how all the leaders. Okay, this is I got to be really careful how I phrase this, because my intentions here really good, or at least I think they're good. Right. So, so everyone's been saying how all the all the countries with female prime ministers have been doing great. Right, because look at everyone keeps on saying, look at Cinda from Nice, to Cinder, that's her name, right to center, from Queen New Zealand. She's doing a great job. She's doing an incredible job. Hundred percent agreed, and I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that she's a woman or she's a man or she's not. Right. I think she's just a really good leader. That's it, is that? Thanks. Yeah, the Prime Minister of New Zealand just in there. So I think she's just a brilliant leader. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that she's a woman, or she if she's not a man, or whatever. Right, I think she's just a nominal reader leader, and there is not you cannot falter. She's beautiful as a person. She talks to her people like she cares about them. Yeah, she does care about them. She cares about her people and she you know, and she's personable and she you know, she even took up a cut because everyone's up. They supporting she's a really good leader. And I can't falter at all and I think she's probably one of the best prime ministers in the world right now. But I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that whether she's woman or not. Just like how it has nothing to do with the like that some prime minister may be a shit leader, that if he's a man. I think it's just if you're a good leader or not a good leader. That's all. And so I think that's really interesting. But yet we keep everyone keeps I see, keep saying memes, all the people, all the prime minister, all the countries with women, female prime ministers, are doing better. Maybe there's a chance they might be doing better because women are really good at understanding situation. Is better than sometimes because men are a little bit more you know, once again I'm generalizing, or I suppose this generalizing, but you know, men are usually more they don't see the fine like, they don't understand the fine truth of things. That maybe right. Yeah, more singly focused and I think more, yeah, limen able to process more. So maybe that might be true, but I think they also just good leaders. has nothing to do with the fact that they might be women. I think I think they're just good leaders. So you can't take away from them that they're not great leaders. So I think by actually saying that, they would that they're good leaders, because the women you actually doing the you undoing the whole good that we've done by putting this brilliant leader in this in, you know, in in a situation where she's able to help the country, but just saying well, she's only doing good because she's a woman, we just ruining everything hundred percent. Yeah, you're te value her. You think that you're trying to boss it up and it's yeah, what I was going back to, like going back to what White Society of you like that. It was just go up and season. You know, for a long time women a coordinate and vote in Australia like there's certainly was that sort of thing going on. So people trying to kind of counter...

...that by going the other way. But what you just said there, even though you felt like you needed to apologize or you needed to be careful of what you said, you didn't say anything even close to wrong or something you should I believe you should in that even have to say that before you say something like that, because what you said was so true and so spot on it's not even debatable. But I guess we do live in a society and you want people to know that you're being a thing to for being nice, and I do the same thing as well. But like, ultimately that that sort of thing for me is could like that kind of common sense to the point where it's laughable that it's even discussed. You know, it's kind of remember that same story we're talking about with their lady who was getting that making bloody dinner for like lunch breakfast for a husband because he worked two jobs in everything else. Yeah, yeah, that's right, like thing. It's like, well, we have to kind of go there because that sort of part of society still exist. And Yeah, it's yeah, but you know, kind of goes back to go full circle. Maybe this is the kind of the highlight of ship today's show. The topic is human nature. Yeah, that's it. You mean need to yeah, so, you know, I think, yeah, that's a good read something. Yeah, I was gonna, I was holding back to there. I was like, you know what, they could be good every soot. Yeah, I guess. I guess our promise is to be honest. Suppose people are listening. Yeah, I mean that's it meant, like we feel like we're not. We're not in a position right now where we don't we're not influenced by anyone. We don't have to worry about what we say. We're good people, we have good hearts, so we just need to speak from the truth, and I think that's what people like. It's not just not, it's not just we're not just being this is what people really thinking and feeling. So, yeah, it's very good, my brother. That's it. This quite emotional episode. Actually, yeah, I felt that this business, you know, you've had to peel back a few layers that under the yours, man, but that's huge. What I appreciate. It was, it was, it was it. I really appreciate the fact that you saw that I was avoiding this. Yeah, yeah, right, okay, it's okay. I mean I was more close because if you had to say do about it, I was going to let it go. That I'd like. I only said it because I went on a ran for like five minutes and I felt like fun. I felt like I got to just beat you the death, like Shit, I was good. I was just like I was like me, like I wanted you to talk because just because I wanted to sit back and I'm not. But there's going to a round. But which is good. Now, this is good. This has been a really good episode. I think it's been a very honest and very, very from heartfelt episode, which is kind of Nice and sort of what we going through as a society and some of the things that were not going through but we're being forced to go through. Yeah, anyway, myself and we'll finish on this. But, like I I don't want to address certain topics, I don't want to talk about certain things. I don't want to almost go into a state of like, you're not going into negativity, but you're kind of talking about negative things, because I I just want to be positive and I want to feel like I'm just putting off positive vibes. But sometimes, at the end of the day, you just got to be honest and you've got a call something out. If you feel a certain way, you can't bothered up. So, yeah, beautifully done, my brother. What's for sure? For sure. Now I before we go, I want to I want to read out a court, which is a really nice quote that I read the other day and I thought truly hit me heavy in a good way. Hit Me, heapy, so her. This is a caught by Fredrick nissue with a philosopher. Right, billiant, brilliant photographer. Philosopher. Right, this is a it's one of those people who's said some things. He's a German philosopher and he summed some of the things that he said. You know, you here and you go this is some this is truth to life, right, and then you hear that and you can really take those things on board. So his court goes, to live is to suffer, to survive is to find meaning in the suffering. So now I mean to live. I read it. I'll read it out again. To live is to suffer. To survive is to find some meaning in suffering, in the suffering. So one more time. Okay, one more I read it out one more time because I think it's not enough twice. Yeah, to leave is to suffer. To survive is to find some meaning in the suffering. Yeah, because we all, we all go...

...through that strength you get from the suffering. That's your meeting, absolutely anyway. So in that note, I just wanted to note that, you know, we may all be going through some really we maybe all suffering, right it's some sense, but I think it's important to remember out of suffering, out of chaos, comes be utiful things. Yeah, Amen, Amen, brother. That's what's happened throughout history. That's going to happen here again. We just need to stay in the game. Truly. Everyone Nice. Tell me your friends, family and even some strangers that you love them. Just do it from a socially distance area. And, of course, anything we did say today. Yeah, it's all allegations. We Are we're not up for any early law cases now, not for the not for the code cases, up for the all right, this has been clever dummies, episode number twelve. Check us out, of course, on spotify, apple podcast. Thank you for listening. If you've made it the way through, check out a few of other episodes. I think you'll kind of like the other topics with covered and kind of how we're developing as a program and as a show and, of course, follow us on socials and yeah, just just be nice to yourselves, being nice to everyone else and just big, good person, be a good motherfucker. Is Isaac Butterfield would say. I think chattered to him. He's body ment health coming. Yeah, it's good anyway. Thank you so much for listening. Guys, locome, I'll play some music, I guess. Love you guys. Take care. By.

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