The Clever Dummies Podcast
The Clever Dummies Podcast

Episode 12 · 1 year ago

The CDP // Ep12: Human Nature in COVID-19!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Friedrich Nietzsche

To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering.




Then it is Sunday Fun Day. How are yougoing today my brother, having a good having a good weekend? I look just loving life. As always, youknow it's just a beautiful life. We live. You know ups and downs, butnumber es it a beautiful day, yeah back an have, but still obviously up here oncog saver and it does take what we do get maybe a month, a cold but foewinter, but yeah W. we've had really like. Last two months, we've had somebreet wheather and today I was just magical, the arders getting a BIquarter, but up here yeah we are very lucky. So I'dOly, Imagine Dan in Melbourne at starting toget, a little chilli likstarting to fe snow coming on Look Loe chilis might be an undeunderstatementut, yeah. Well II', in o Sydney tomorrow, ikwehive packed a shit lik a jumpers. I don't think I've want to jump in a boutnine months s, it will say o we g apparently y again, that's ot. It lookit's not too cold, but I think you do need some warm clothing. I justinvested in some termal socks because wer being a sock person but turns out,you know, they're very comfortable, it'slike, a big crady ones with the fluroads or that these are different. The arthe they're, the furry ones, shit,yeah, thethe, I've Gone I've gone fullMelbourne, yeah just watch out for the affhlets foot, though, might sometimesget a bit sweaty underneath the and the carriage they don pull thos psychasapart but Yeh, I lik how good a soft bu there's nothing like a good. You know,as my parents always said when I was younger. You know you're starting toget on in the years when you appreciate a good new paroanles and SOPs andFactisa Borgt appar this week and noter quite like it. That's exactly that'sexactly righ, and especially when you're, not you know, turning the endisinside out and putting it back on. You know yeah. I really know probby e otrying to Bekind of a barer for a few days and run it uver gain, but yea.That's stories of Yeyoung Boys. What what are you been up? Toy Might Howisthe business gon Hous as life trait Yo that Pi everthing going all right. No things,afe good things are good. Things are good things quite well, I mean.Obviously, everyone is going through the whole covid nineteen situation, andso am I just like everyone else. Business is affected by it, butnonetheless there's always opportunity in chaos. Nonetheless, and I'm just trying to capitalize onthat Opportunity B, t with keeping in mindthat you know the you have to sort of have like downtime as well, because youknow days that unsertity unceltain to yet time so you still sort of have tolike take some time back. So it's obviously not business as usual, butit's still good, I'm! You know I'm quite happy. Things are going well, you know feeling! Well you know, justsomt of things are startedg to come down as well, which is mine, yeah, it'sa little bit like that, like you, definitely go through waves day and dayout and we kind of Ben, it's been over a monthnots April. Pretty much didn'texist, that's just how fast that went. I think what block down win o Sa themuch on the eight, so we've been in what nearly five weeks into now, I'mhopefully they're talking mail ever, I think they're going tostart opening some things that restrictively and I' fee that I'll seeJims come back to life which ill be facking exactly what SOMYF US need. Myopinion of gym is a centiral service, but regardes it's a topic after the Bat,I'm sure d. You Know Tha Wen a pretty good spot here, N, Australia. Sohopefully that's that's. OCAS Hav, you DOWNOADOF, the the covid safe nineteenatmot. Have you don a the APYEAH? No, I haven't, and I don't particular ye getinto the argument of the A sa you're not gong, to You'e Not Gong, to turn iton to always and have them know where you eare at all times you just goodthan that. Look not not particularly I'm. That's not my ultimate desire tobe a were exactly, I am for sure for...

...sure Causan. It is for Ousafety aiis itnot no chits Bro. So my thoughts in like quick two sets that we can go deepon it if we want to or not but like any most APPs ears. Nowadays, they all have like most of them have alocation. Our request, when you download the APR they like to knowwhere you're buying setin things are wer accessing from I' like to use itfor the bank. So I ove know where the closes ATM is or obviously, Google maps,but I've actually turned it all off now,except for Google maps, and I only have it set to ask upon request, which I think is thebest way to do it. But it's just you know it's, unfortunately, there's badpeople oft there and it's not just not just big half but there's also athire's. Also a this there's a a little bit of dishonestly. I thinkthat goes on with politics and in the government and who knows who actuallyis going to get access the information and it's one of those things what togive over that permission like when this all blows over? It's notnecessarily just going to get deleted and wiped out and Heyre, not Godg, touse it again, at's so e, pretty good technology. It's a pretty goodinformation, they're going to have so they're going to be able to do whateverthey want with it. So I understand why ar they trying to doit principally, but it's also. It also has a lot of a lot of ways thatit can be fucking that it can blouin ace so yeah. I don't feel comfortableusing in Sid way, but I know apparently Ave fout me and people already have toeach of their own. Well, that's exactly look up, you ofor sure yeah, if I'mgonna, if I'm GOINNA get into it, but I'm just going to. I don't particularlywant to get into that particular topic, because that would that would drag outabout at least fifty five minutes of an episode I just want to. I do want tosay, however, the the problem is: it's not necessarily the fact thatgovernment, I don't want government to know where exactly I am because I'mdoing something illegal or whatever right it's. The fact of it's he fact of it's dangerous, almost in a weird way,because right now what the APP uses is has folkinprove or your blue tooth aswell as your wife. I don't think its Biapie, but bluetoot location, a wellas yes. So the problem with having connection with blues is what it'sdoing is it's identifying other people based on blue tooth when you come in aclose approximity to people now the problem with that is so that's not justpeople identifying, saying hey, you know you came in Tey, there's a lotmore. They can do and now majority of the time things may be good because thegovernment may be working in our favor, but I also think think theye could be alot more things that can bein done by just finding out who you have been incontact with Yeah Ealy, especially in close approximity. There's a lot moreand you know things good, sometimes Dara doesn't the scary thing about Dariis because humans can't really process data as it should be processed, sosometimes Dara can be misinterpreted interpreede in a sense where, let's sayyou know, you were yeah intepret that wore so you know, let's say if you were inclose approximity to some killer or the time of a killing yeah. You know, let'sJus say and then you just all of a sudden t at that's a thing, because youwere in close opproximity to a killer. Maybe maybe you know the killing washappening. Yeu was outside your house and you didn 't, like you know, youdon't know what good chances be because technology breaks down, but that kindof data and based on what it's like the same thing. Do you remember how sensesonline right it all broke down o you think the problem with is we oftenthink that government knows what they're doing the problem? Is thegovernment doesn't if you, if you they honestly, don't because if youlook at, if you look at how government operates this to using system thatweremade in s? No, maybe not that's O. that's at you know, that's pushing itbut yeah the business Moel of a lot of...

...the ways they operate somewhat likethat for sure they're, all they never very rearly theyr ahead of the curve,they're always catching up based on changing marketplace or another company or another product, bringing somethingin that they can't force to change. Yeah, that's Ave right and you look atthe whole sensor system. You think the government that has you know basicallyaccessto on limited resources couldn't build a freaking system that wouldallow for a you know, a basic basic senses to occur online. You know it's really a really uptowonder but clearly. Clearly the problem is because they don't actually havethose Reaso, not the fact they don't have the resourcee. It's just aboutfact that people who are head of departments just don't understand,because you got to think about the Mondthat it takes to be in thegovernment sector. When you could do the same job, let's say if Youretechnology developer right, if your the kind of person who deeloped technootyvellops technology, if Youare, really good, if you reallygood chances, are Youl, go to public secrate, you woldn't go to governmentbecause you in public sector you earn millions where in the government CECONye yeah. So you got to remember. The governmentis bone by those disches decision makers who are actually second toeveryone else. You know they're not great, so that's the problem with thesepeople and H. Someone was saying they need to release the code for this APP.I was like I mean the APP word is insecure. As it is, I mean. If yourelease the court, every every chump is going to start hacking. It here fuckher yeah, exactly right and then what yeah,what they can do from there to type of people yeah and we're in Australiawhere we're pretty it Su yeah. It doesn't look good and if you look atkind of throughout history, where governments have kind of phase indifferent, differentways of controlling people like location, EC access of knowing wherepeople are at all times of being able to limit people what they can do andwho they can see and how long they can be there, and you can't go here thereeverywhere- it's it's just yeah. It is it's just tricky orders, I guess soyou're right to be hesitant and like they can. Certainly they can certaiflyrequest people that are down at the APPAN ask people, but they should never.They should never like Felip, victimize or vilainize the people that don't wantto do it, because it's fucking, it's just it's just moty water right, justthes like something about it and you can you don't know if you get into theconspiraty side of it. This just o thing is basic human nature. Like dothey have to know this infermation Lik? What do they have to know just MedimorShit at all times, and I don't believe that once months, this givin over, likehe' sure you can just delete the APP, but what? If they? What do they knowabout your behaviora pattens from there? So Yeah? It's it's not even that the worst part is. Ijust don't trust the government in keep making it making shore thet Appi Yeh,because I don't think that pap I secure because just like senses how that fell,ower good hackd by just no one pretty much. It wasn't a great hacker. Someonejust did it so just like that. I don't think the government is capable ofbuilding systems that are unhackable yeah so, and I would rather not give mysensitive data to some hacker, simple that yeah goodlike in contrary. I TrustGoogle more than I trust the government, because I know Google is a company thatbuilds extremely solid infrastructures and chances are even though, if theywillingly sell. My information is different to them. Just oops we gothacked yeah H, no Wa, Yeh Yeah, just like whathappened when when they played everyone off close. All businesses and they tryto get every undergand they might have website to apply for job Seker orjobkeeper, whatever the payment is and then if five thousand people went onthere and thiy crash the thing it's just like Soi hat we aver there, we tryand at besty hanging in to this will be Wright. If you do that in themarketplace, if Your Business Af you do that n your bloody shut down in two weeks, so yeah,it's just yeah yeah, it's a qitepoint. I haven't fhought of it in that way Ikind of did, but I didn't really think about it in that way, and it's just soobvious. That's what people are going...

...to go for, especially if they're, notworking hat. They got all the time of th world of I an Ge Ein there get after. Well, that's exactly right and thething about thing with hackers. Is You it's the society, the Hacking Societythe whole the whole whole ideology is very antistructure or the, and it's notthat they're recessarly pushing for chaos, but it's just the fact that they,because they are capable of doing that kind of things theyare going to do it. Isthe Murphy's law, Mersu, Murphy'sprincipal. If you're Kapa, if something's wront going to go wrong,it's will go wrong yeah, but yeah. So that's the whole a littlebit of a take on the APP now. This is a little bit of a lateintroductions. Tis. This is the episode twelve of Clevertomis podcast. We up toa dozen episode, which is very exciting. Yebikata et then, might big achievementthere. I think this is probably side as it is. This is one of the longest pieces of content that we committed toand to to a nice little accordas Walso we'vebeen there's been some movement in how manypeople have been listening to the podcast and downward, which has beenincredible. I think yeah, roughly eightthousand people havetuned in to listen, not all of them finish the episode yeah. Obviously soyou know some o some of them are bit grubs. You know bit of Ga Shore. WelBet You O. I can get a Handan Percentyou, never goin Ta bet a hundred yeah if you can like, if you can cleapten or twenty percent, which we definitely did like that o success initself, particularly when he's llking at that many people and like those arepeople that we know so yeah, it's Pretty Pretty Pretty Onroa when you said thatto me last night, you're, just you Wa you just having to look at the back inthe spotify and justy yeah. So I just hadn't headit it yea hadn't hadn't hada chance to look so, which is absolutely incredible. So you know onceagain I guess thisis movie startsaying. You know this is what wes tarsing orthank you to all the people who listen to the podcast yeah. My definitely isdefinitely like fer doing it. We ficure off of but yesh. It's just beautiful.That's just a nice feeling to know that people like and people do redact to usand tell us that we're talking a good job or they're like somthing, they saidor they've just found that found entertaining and that's coole here soyeah Blago. Thank you Gu. So much absolutely so that's a whole bunch offun, I'm quite happy about them quite proudas well. Actually, so that's that's that little bit of you know justsomething that I want to quickly bring up now for today's more of indepth topic,which I sort of particularly want to get into which you don't haven't spokento you about a Lokar. So this is, let's poke speak about this. Let's talk aboutthis, so I've been recently feeling bit attacked by by people right by not everyone, butyou know people, but I said the reason I've been feelingattacked because this people have been telling me or not, people certainpeople and just you know some of my friends andsome Col Leagues and different different areas. So, let's to saygeneral know: General Population Yeah, A and also some instagram, post andvideos have been e. been feeling attacked by those so there's a big push in everyone. Youknow everyone is right now, everyone's feeling, uncertain and h. We talkedabout fear in one of our previous episodes and we can understand this.That episode is very relevant right now, with everything going on. So I do agree that there's a certainextent of anxiery that you feel. In fact I went to cma today and there wasa line huge line to go into Cama an once. I got into cameout. There waspretty much nothing and I actually felt really anxious. I was like man, that'scrazy, so I was O to Lo the shops. Up like the Isles, afool. It's fucking they've got iles in the middle of I'll, see it yeah ye sortlike a big one, big one, but basically a enty. All empty is great. Therandomos things were sold like everything was. I was like I feeltquite incious like what's going on, so...

I agree that things are very uncertainand you know it's a crazy time and the fear fear comes into place and thosebasic phas that we talked about ther happening and you know thes principleabout how people are b, the psychological needs on being met. Whereconnection is not there, you know youpeople lackin connection, everything now there's been a weird push foreveryone to kind of, and I wonder if there's this is agender driven bysomething, but I couldn't really get. Maybe this it is. This is another. Youknow conspirty Wery, but I don't know pepersonally IV been feeling attacked,so thats there's a whole puch to feel things, and I am all for peopleactually exploring what they're feeling, because that's really important feelingshould never go and notice, because you know you don't want it more. You spressyou're, going to come back later and hurt you more if anything, yeah yeah now, but what what the pushhes been tofeel sad and so I've been getting this message from society like you need tofeel sad, because if you're not sad where everyone else you know, you needto feel sad because everything else you know you should feel ancient. Theproblem is, I haven't been feeling inchous and I haven't been feeling sadand I haven't been feeling to pressed. I just don't. I don't understand if youfeeling sad and lite be depressed and litle bit, ancious all that's valid,but if I'm not feeling TAT it, if I'm not feeling you know not feeling sad ordepressed or incious it. That's no valid because then means I'm wrong. I'mjust not experiencing my feelings or not looking at my feeling, so I need togo back and check it again, because clearly, I'm not rihe yeah, so that'thing that I've been sort of personally been feeling attack by, but nonethelessthis is a really it's a really interesting movement, because there wasvideos about it and someone saying like you know, you need to feel sis. Youknow everything. There was a video about by college. Humog, don't want totalk about them, but you know. Nonetheless, they made a video. I justfollowd them just for a good laugh, because it knows that's how dumb theyare colleg Gumer, yeah butyeah. So you know I followedthem and I saw something and I was like man this is. I just feel like there'salmost like a little push for everyone to feel sad and inchious, even ifyou're not really, even if those feelings are anxious, Jen, genuine,there's a push for you to actually feel that way, and I wonder why that is, as that et say, that again so there's aweird push from society for everyone to experience this sadness, even if you'renot right, even if you're, not really in that little. If you know like to behonest, I'm not I'm mein an okay situation, I'm pretty good, like youknow, I'm not suffering com like other people are so you know, people inhurwere countries would be if you think Australia is like you know, if peopleexperience in anxiety and all those things in Australia, just imagine whatother people are facing right in other countries, even America, you knowyeah, so it just makes me wonder. Why isthere's a push for people to feel sad, even though Theys you know, even ifsomeone may not be feeling sad, the push from society is that you need tofeel sad and you need to be. You need to feel down. You need to experiencesadness even if you're genualely not feeling it yeah. That's a that's a reallydifficult question to answer, because I guess the easiest way for me. What Ithink of timmediately is like. Why, like what would be causin like where'sthat message coming from and people are going to feel a certain way and likeI'll, be onest it myself, if I'm feeling sad or upset like it, has alittle bit of a contribtgn factor to Clovit, but that's I woult have beengoing through this, no matter what like in my own head S, I was I'm pretty good at kind ofidentifying where my feelings are coming from and while they're there,and so I don't, was definitely easy to blame it on something like that theyare. It was all good, be really kind of just lying to yourself and if yougenerally have you know so, if you arent a business or Youa've, got somesome really major impact from what's going on, then of course like you wantto, you know, nearthe Greae or you need...

...to you know you just need to getthrough it and you need people's help to get through it, and that's like areally good message to Ayounow, not Pak. Your neighbor on yourback hut, say hello to whoe. WECAN call, call friends and family like speakreach out to people, because people are feeling sad. So those are really goodmessages, but then there's that there's kind of like the other angle of thatWey, like every every new story, you go onto every every. You know what mostpeople talking about, what most people re regigenating as an negative havin ora negative, quite they've heard so I mean like itsounds like for me. I just this situation more than anything. Thatsjust proved like how our kind of fire media, N, most traditional, nay, room,media, even new media and line, has fallen and how their business is soflougn and so based off a certain business model that they have to. Youknow they have to kind of obviously do what they can to get a certain amountof people click their ship, but they just peln out just hatred. This peeingout, like really negative things like in Australia, were doing really well.Man Like we had a peak at the end of March. We had, I think, the worst itwas like, maybe four or five hundred cases a day of people getting it, andnow it's fallen right down, like we've got single figures of life, the lasttwo weeks, but you're not hearing that any you're, not hearing that at allyou're, not hearing that angle, you're, not hearing like that. You're hearingow this few people still getting at allther's thers one person in a in athing somewhere, there's a cruise that happened three weeks ago so like even Ithink, that's where a lot of it- and you know if you're on, if you're online, if you're on social media a lot of hat, even though people aren'physically talking to each other they're talking to each other on thatplatform. So, like, I think, that's what it is and a lot of people you,they can't plan them for it. You've got to be able to think of your own twofeet but yeah. I think that's more than anything and really smart people that Ilisten to WHO said the same thing like this is really like. This will be thediffont a lot of those people, a one of the people get through it. So Yeah! That's what I think, because Ifelt hat an way when it first started to when I was watching a lot of it.Like I staled to change my behavior, I cided to look at the glass haw ful halfempty, I should say, but I guess it's a I plus the partofeliminate that shit to like, if there's a negative person or if you'R, Tok,somthing, negative or whatet as just con it off so yeah. Just like anything, just go tothe sout, a if you don't it's not helping your life, you just PAC an getrid of it. It's a shame! It's Wall Shit. It makes me upset too, but yeah. It'salso so yeah absolutely and Look O. I assumethe propit once again, it'sa, probably Apropaganda, think and once again Ireally hon a stress because you know in before we an before I get. I'm notsaying that just because I want to say I'm being the Ou know, I'm being good,but the thing is, I understand thet, certain people are feeling down, and sothat's gale. So how no matter who you are your process offeeling in the you know is a valid right. Yeah Yeah Oly Problem is justlike how your indiidualistic unique process is valid, and that is true forany other individual who is not you yeah and that's very important ryghnt,because you know, if you're allowed to feel sad, the other person should beallowed to feel happy as well. Yes, yeah and you know they just like and yeah,and this is not opinions where you know you get offended by any like this is noopinion where anyone should ever be offended right. This is more people'sfeelings. You can't control how control how people feel so, whether if there'sa push from social media to hey, you need to experience your feeling makingthat you know if yourpeople aren't sadpeople. Everyone is sad. Everyone isdepressed. I actually think it's actually the pushof Ralness of, like you know. Awaeness of this whole thing. Bout like it's notaranness is great, but it's also thie's a weird agendi push of it. Like youknow, hey, you know, you need you're feeling sad. You know you're feelingsad question, Myr, Queston Mack, you...

...know it's like the whole idea of. If you ever, you know, have you everseen about you k? Have you ever seen in sometimes sosometimes they'll be like apon. That's been going around right, it's been like famous right and somepeople haven't seen it then a news news media will do a story on it and youknow, and everyone will go watch it yeah. Do you know hat I mean like ifthat theory, where, let's even if you aren't feeling sad because everyone'slike well, I think you're feeling sad and you're like well. Maybe I'm feelingsad and in doing so, you're triaking almost drinking your brain into goingwell, fuck, there's no hop yeah or you yeah. I'd need to be Nordal, so I needto I let to feel the same way and if you surround self with that like, ifyou hear it enough it definitely s tats o affect it, doesn't matter what it disdoesn't matter. How stupid is you can convince yourself eventually and like by sitting yehe by being byitrself or not being by being with the people that you knowthat would be with, like I spen a good night with someone I made up here lastnight and it was kind of a nice reminder that everythings are right andwe're all in together and we're still the same. We're not saying each otheras much SAS. We used do but everythings Qod. So if you don't, if You'e stillnot able to do that and like Hinwe weren't sentially, distancing Shor,that should at be as ye fain, six fliks o a healthy fit young lads anyway,that's another topic for another Ay, so I know people you know were notencouraged to do that. Like you're, I still respect the social distancing in terms of publicthe space, because a lot of people are still skiing. A lot of people don'tactually know what's going on and don't know the amount of people in thecountry that actually have it. So they believe that they're at risk of youknow so en obviously want to protect the theoldrly and those sort of thingsthey don't don't an Pysiy reay five year old pop is, you know, got tr oneline, but but so that was a nice reminder for me,and phone calls can kind of do the same thing so yeah. I guess when you kind of justairin closed and Y. U you know you're not going to your social serf caurseyou're not going to work, definitely missing work for sure so yeah it can definitely that candefinitely make it hard, but it also like yeah. I definitely go through likebig up to the dance for sure myself, but I know I know what it's all aboutand I'm pretty skeptical of what? U Don't consume, pretty much any media orI don't listen to poblic opinion, I'm kind of like you. If I hit one ofopinion, O one thought I tend to go to the opposite way and try to figure outwhat son Nou so many people, just by an example of everyone, buy ind toilerpaper by people going to Kmar and buying fucking cookbooks or whateverthe hell they're buying, like that's just the amount of people in societylike it sounds, it sounds thing, but it's true, like the amount of people insociety that have just get blad over by a wind to Gusha winor, the the HideanHiin everywhere. So yeah, that's just a it's the truth of society. We all kindof do it and this the last few months have really proved it to us a ababsolutely. This is this is to behonest. This whole situation is showing our weaknesses and society and Agan isV. It's not far. I'm not attacking people favin fee, because I one of themost fucking fit people people. I know which sounds weird, but I mean justselfishness and not yet not pai of not just not thinking for yourself, and Ikind of just going with the tame or this is Ho have to go like that's.That's where we don't. I, while society not being scared, but what are we doingin that situation and Iwe tie people? It's not thithes a huge part of fearand there's also a huge part of huge part of just uncertainty, as also that's what makespeople crazy, but the hardest thing is for people right now, and this iswhat's crazy, because on one side we keep on pushing and saying keep sayingthat weare Hemans are so incredible. We so sophisticated. You know we're ableto feel all these emotions, and this is what we can do and this we all thesethings we can do, and everyone is smart and everyone is genius. But we say this,but when it comes to something like this Whun, I'm saying humans arecapable of understanding and fighting...

...their figre and you know andacknowledging their fight, ind flight response and actually making analternative decision based on common knowledge. You know or based on basedon group experience or accumulated a groupexperience, because we know for o fact there's onlyone way to get through this and is that if we stick together not physically,but you know if we stick to up- and you know, watch out for each other and weactually go hey, you know, you know my. You know the lady down. The road reallyneeds the toyof paper and she can't get out the house. Maybe I won't go insidehour house, but maybe I could bring us some toller paper. You know that maynot do anything for FIS yeah, but maybe you'll do somethingfor her yeah and then the same thing applies. If you're, if you don't reallyneed something, why are you buying it? Because, even in the worst of the scenario,let's say W, you know nomone knows how long this will go for, let's say if itgoes for two years: You're not going to need the fucking cookbook from CamaYeah Eah Myyo, mind that what is your Exwhatdi you and as humans were notthat dumb, like I don't think unless, unless you're going to unless a's ahumans, we have to agree here now that wee stupid, a shit yeah and W we onlyjust Livin by our you know: Primodial instinct yeah bcause, that's what it isis a little bit of fear. That's coming in in had certainly, and then that'sthat panic like I have. Those thoughts have come across like Sur ospeciallyearly on. Should I buy a lot like? Should I go in and figure it out, but alot of people just don't have yeah exactly they're just giving straightinto it. Go wit that to yeah it's just basically you have to youhave to. This is what you have to do. Almostthes thes, two things that you can tick either. You agree that humans arePrimodiuales Shit and with stupid, and we can't make we can't tell from rightfrom Rong, and we don't have that ability which actuallyi'm going to Qotthe Bible here, which actually says you know when when avn he decide and manAdam and eve took the took the fruit and they ate it, they wuld thought they wull become,like God, which was be able to tell from right from wrong right. So that'sthe court from the Bigle, and so this Beci Whitewayeah the Genenso, so thatwas that was what he as humans are ancestors. If you, if we'm talkingabout this, is because you know that's ancient human text and we've relied Iyes, you know. So I'm not gonna, I'm Goinna the reason I'm coling. That isbecause so many people believe that, even even if you go, they somehistorical value to it because such as a huge large of large chunk of societybles in that, so we as a society and our ansers tos. Ifyou, if Adam and EV werer ancestors, you know made a decision to be likegood and be able to tell from right from wrong right and yet wi we aresitting here. This is where you this is Weye. I'mgoing to argue with people is the fact that what happened to that rit and rowinstinct its because that's what we fougt for that's, why they got kickedout of Garden of Eden because they chose to choose chos to see from rightfrom wrong. You know, and now this is in penty first century, when we are alot more smarter, apparently, and you know we have, we have costracks likeyou know these little clicks and these groups, and we want to fiht o climatechanges and all those things. So we are very advanced yet when it comes to efirst side of fear, apparently officer on Kno, him is just Brimodie andthey're afraid of finding flight. That's why it's okay yeah- and therewas this- always been like bit of a discourse- the separation between kindof western and a lot of eastern countries, and yet you know for themost part, people just don't have any rational understanding of the life theywere lived and how you know how how...

...they had to leave day by day, and weget a tem persent. A lot of people get like a ten percent look into it and youknow there's certainly be. People have gone through a lot of bad ship, butyeah most people it' sort of it's really tough, but it's also not the endof the WN. No, IT'S PRETTY MUCH! No understhandeyway and people just flipout a people disguss so yeah, it's just I it's so topic Ma like I stoppedworking at likelind, I was licky enough to be able to get the nough governmorto pot where I didn't need to work ther. Every second person you know, mightserve two or three hundred people in a shift. Don't worry man, the bottleshotswere packed every day, wer w like. I was like Christmas like how manywallers we would do and how much sales would make a be like a Tuesdayafternoon and were pubin eight nine grand an hour which is like Christmas,clon stuff for our serves insaando and everyone's kind of there's like threedifferent people, which I guess kind of catagroses Tis. One person who you knowis all true: Ultra like the old school ar this is fack enoughent. You knowthey taken the and they closed the pat down the bast, and it was the other onewho was like reading every headline and Ot the AP Twenty our seven and thenthere's people that are kind of in middle and it just got something toAsom like this. I just don't it's us and I started to. I started to changethe way I thought and believed in be active to like I got overly just missitwith it. I didn't take it seriously enough at first, because I was justlike it was kind of like my counter to hearing people to so negative about it, but it's yeah. It's very it's good! YouC L! If you can take a good life Leson from it, which I think we are, you knowus and our small group of people and the people that we hopefully f a lot ofpeople listening and yeah. I think we're going to be somuch stronger because of it. We just yeah, you just have to you just can't it's very did liketrawmy just that sort of these sort of expresses. This brings out the truthand a lot of people. Doesn't it yeah? It's is the weakness? Is entidy Yeah Eayeah? It's I mean look, I'm not, I'm not sure ifwe're proposing a solution, but I think whyis, what wha? I don't know if I'mright or you know if Locklan is right. Who knows who is right, Whit, maybeeveryone who's holding up toll? The pepper is right. Yeah! The thing is, Ithink there is a process that you could go through of just going hey. If thisthat, like a basic IV statement, Hey am I do what I really need. You know, eihtgallons of washing liquid and four gallons of you know wfabico. If you actually look at whatthe SUP markets did, they had to get to a sage where they had to leave it a lotof products because people were holding and those limits weren't actually crazy,like you generally only need one or two packs of topof paper week. Dependinghow do people live with? You only need a couple of packs of rice, anlessyou're, just a carbohydrate savage like you only need a few things that Tiswithin a few weeks, Bro. If you go in to court, calls and ballies now,they're almost got an over abundance of potle paper, like my mad, who is apackaging manager, calls up always up here, he's like Bro, Weve, Gotton,we've gote track loads of stuff. I mean that we actually don't have room for solike once. People were forced to go back to Caro F, the way they wereshopping before like now. It's fine like it's just people that Tem pesettwenty percent of people had to go in. So I think in this situation they were.You know I reany De ho e at the end of the day, theyd like the last. If Shitreally hit the fan, Bron literally, the last thing I'm worrying about is tomaybe you can figure that up out worring about food, I'm worrid aboutwar, I'm worrying about! You know that sort of thing I'm not worrying about.If I'm my bottle s going to be clear, ray just get a get a hose figure it out.You know it's Evy Wais, I just wantto. I juspect someone tellme what is the thought process behind the whole behind the whole buying colerpaper? There was the shape. I think it was like that sheep mentality by therewas a couple that I can't remember, but I think it might have started as like abit of a joke like there was like a little bit of dodgy like a social media,maybe like a subrede group OARD for...

Charner. You know pone of the l goodalready EAH and like they said, let's go by a shit, let a toilet paper and itjust caught fire and one there was. You know: Gennel Ryn reported lit, sayingOTF. This supermarketing fucking Wootbat is out a tol of people, peoplegoing crazy and then first people don't understand how thet actually like don'tactually know. What's happened. They go fight. Now, every every shopping ternsbe Hav that then people go out and then Bangmag and then of withing a week.People were actually getting some of the people. Thatwuld ave been loadingup and toller people were like fucking bat I getting now whant, I'm Mak goingTa get it. So I think that's probably what happened yeah yeah and then therewas obviously tha eally fight people laughe at yeah I mean I wan. If I pullup the SASTISTICS N, I man like we've had this is from three PM today. Sowe've had six hundred eleven thousand five hundred and eighty three test:ivus trade ton. So out of that six hundred, an eleventhousand there's beensix thousand seven hundred people confirmed positive. So that's one point:one percent of overall tests, it just re Hem, Shut Down Society for this. Ninety three overall deaths, obviouslyreally sad, not even a high percentage of thoseyeah over. Ninety percent of those were people. Above the age of seventy fiveand they all had a most of them, had alyine health conditions, so you know,could cancer Lok loging issues, hardly shes that sort of thing and thiresacurrently about just over five thousand and seven hundred people haverecovered from it? So, though, we the reason why theres numbers are as low asthey are, because Australia really proactive and we kind of got on top ofit early it'll, be interesting to see the lastthing effects that what this is going to do to people what this is going todo. I, the economy and businesses for years that come for essentiallysomething that, and I don't feel cofortable saying it because I'm not aI'm, not a health pactition, I'm not a scientist. Ou know I don't really knowwhat's going lone, but if I just look at the numbers here, one percent andthen from there not even point five percent of those people actually passedaway. Yeah it's! I guess I look at it like wow. We didawesome. We did amazing. We smash this thing like this thing was ruiningpeople's lives, an Austra all over the world and a Strais tot a a good job,but I also look at them. Go Far. Wer have the pipotential not doing nothingfor two months and yeah a lot of people. A lot of jobs are going to take sometime, like certainly indesrups are going to be it's going to be a whilebefore things get back together. So it's it's good to know that I thinkWewe're through the worst of it any way. Hopefully it should be o back soon,rather than later, but yeah uncertainly e's a little bit still still high,that's for sure for sure for sure agreed they yeah fdlittl bit. I kind of just don't knowwhat to say about it, because I don't want to yeh o just goes Ol it's fat andBallshit, and these cans are trying to ruin our lives S. I don't want to say Idon't want to be like that, but if I'm just lookirg at the numbers and yeahit's, we certainly want to protect the people that are at risk and the peoplewho you know May Mayo may not be. You know, F, have a high chance of catchingthis and getting really fucked up and o people ave certainly been really fuckedup by it. But yeah we Brits a big WAKEUP call for a lot ofpeople that you, your respiratory system and your immune system is mostimportant asset. You have in obviously savings having some money as well asdefinitely important but get healthy man. That's probably your positive totake out of it the amount of people that have exercising outside now andkind of taking into consideration their health that maybe they just missed it.They thought you know. Other things were a big priority, but yeah. Sothat's probably good positive to take out of it for sure. Look if we can learn some lessons out of it.That's awesome that all that matters, and I think if we can get lessons outof it, you wild you know, would really mean a lot for the society and will bebetter for it, and you know if it if this whole thingexposes some of the weakness of the society, I'm not completely too madabout it either, because you know that...

...way. At least we know what ourweaknesses are and we could we could address them, because awareness isreally important. The thing is: If we do see the weaknesses we have toacknowledge IM TNOLGIM I mean you can look at it. You could a e. You can seea great example. If you look at America, you know they've always just taught ofthemselves as this incredible democracy- and you know, thes system is broken asa country they're broken, yet they will never admit it. You Know Theiar Houseof card, I mean there's people out on the street in California yeah they would basicallyyeah protestingthat open us and there's, like thousands of people on the street yeahthat doesn't make sense. I mean yea, it's crazy, yeah yeah. I think overthere they they obviously have that mentality. They have that really theyhave heir their amendments first and second amendments and they have like areally a lot of people have like a negative stigma and opinion of thegovernment, so theye kind of really rebellious. I guess and that's it and they also don't kind of have thesport that we had over here. So a lot of people got like a twol in it, Oll,paycheck and so yeah, without knowing exactly whatthe circumstances were like there's. Obviously, a lot of crazy, like that'sexactly how this fire spreads up again and then, if you, if the numbers riseagain well, you're not going to be going back because you've literallyjust contributed it to that. I also kind of I also kind of understand. I Idon't like on one hand I think it's stupid and crazy, but on the other handI go yeah. I didn't live there, so I don't know what it's like you know itcould be could be, could be tough. We also a so bless to be living over here.I think definitely one thing that it changes theres a lot of things that Aleprobably change is certainly, hopefully. Obviously, I think what was the numberslike ninety seven and ninety eight percent of the worlds anavodics comefrom China and you know pretty much most of the words produce compan. Somany things come from Trina, so hopefully it forces country to start toinvest back in their own country, and you know, obviously the reason why it pas outSalso, because it Uky business mean it's about supplying the man and howkept can we get this thing for cheaper? So it's definitely not this confe. It'sdefinitely a not of theological discussion like it has to go down tonumbers and everything else. I hope that you know hope we can sort ofreintroduce a little bit more dependence on our own self and I'mreally interested to see kind of how it started and what sort of the like the nature of the Chinesegovernment, how w how they sort of broke down at first,that it wasn't an issue and then all of a sudden it was killing people needo LE,like Crazyi and bang. It was all over the world. So I think I'll beinterested to see what kind of goes on there. There could be some some seriousshit that happens in terms of people giving forced into like people facing he serious reorpassions for whatever went on. So it's kind of watch that space a littlebit, but that are phose sort of things will be o ant id all kind of blows overthey're, not it's kind of hard to invest igate. That sort of thing now,because, if you look into, if you read or what kind of how it started andeverything else, how potepally like this kind of theories that it could notconspiratly thoers but actually legitimate theories that it could havecome out of the WAF had bio lab. That was obviously only a few KS away fromthe wet market that it was origially faild to be front and not so much thatit was like to buy a weapon that they wanted to release it on, kill people,but they were experienting on animals and it even got out just because theyweren't secure enough if they're testing or they had animals that werebeing sold anyway, to be confusing to not exactly but to see how it actuallyall kind of started, and whatever else it's the. I guess, I've never livedthere bro, but have you ever been to like a wet market type thing have ouever been to like a place when they kind of sell food out in the open? Likethat? No, not really! I haven't hear Yeah Tiland, they have it over there. Ithink I'm not too sure I haven't been to one of those yeah. Okay, you went totyle and just sort of did you just sors you war. You worked in a too long ar Iwas there for a bid, but I didn't...

...really go to any sho because in thecities, I don't think they are in Mi neo, tis yeah, it's a bit more, so realsort of in the n in the jungles but yeah anyway. So the m, the fact of the marror iswellievein a crazy bord. So I think we'll wrap up for today's episode, lockif that's yeah, yeah wit, Yo Yeah, if you'R, ifyou're done brod, do you have do sil a little bit hesitate to talk aboutbecause it's bit bit hard to know exactly what what's going on Ri yousort of just bet over it to a I wanwin, the go. Look, I'm really I'm really weird about I'm weiried about the whole covnineteense. Just because okay! Well, not enough you! Now you basicaly done it od coon! Ob! That's exactly! Okay! Look!My problem is the my problem. Is I'm really I'm in a weird plamindsed way,I'm sort of I'm seeing that there's a lot of the we aren't taking this as how we shouldthat's how I feel I feel like we not do we not doing the things we should, butyou know everyone iash to their own, but I just feel like as a society wecompletely fucked up. That's what I feel like yeah. I feel like we feeled.We feel to do things specially that whole you know, holding stuff was. Ifelt quite disappoint. I felt quite you know, you know when your parents comein just say: I'm not yeah, I'm just disappointed is got disappointed and Iis like you know it's weird and then there's then there's the that really didn't a massive problem.That really didn't need to happen like that. If this thing got worse man, ifthis shit got worse and that had happened like the amount of people thatwould have had basicnesses ause like it's yeah, you just feel kind ofashamed in the human race a little bit a in pav yeah, that's e and the foorestpart. I is the contradiction in our insociety as well. We run around sayinghow we are so sophisticated and then we go on and do stupid shit like thathatwhat happened to all the sophisticatedness. What happened to theTimes that you were protecting the planet and you know running aftersaving the animals. What happened o all that you know what happened all thatsophisticatedness so that all you know, that's that I felt quite disappointedthere now onhe one another thing: The problem is: is the hold conspiracy,Thuries, there's so much conspiracy going on, and you know saying wellgovernment wants to do that. Look I mean. Maybe they do. Maybe they do.Let's just say government did all this right. If thor this was a test as asociety we fucking field, yeah e feel this was e h. So you knowpeoplea this a conspiricitois saying that you know or how could this happen?This could have couldn't Happenin in mone in the million chasses. Well,that's exactly right. They are wanting a million chances, but there is one ina million chesses just like how life to occur. This, like one in one, troinchasses, something like that yet here we are sitting on this planet doingthis podcast. So just like that, you know thees, there's a slight chance,then a wires that would occur from jum from one anymore to another animal. Itpossibly could happen all this a possibility that someone was fabricatedand build a bio weapon and they wan. You know, and that's also possible,just like how World War happens. People do shilly things you know, but as asociety we feeled yeah, that's t e most important yeah, regardless of even if it was yeh, evenorits Casenar in the small chancs that it did come from that like at the endof the day, we kind of had a chance to prove to ourselves and prove to eachother that we were we quil kind of get through that sort of thing and yeahit's faill in a lot of ways. Yeah! No, that's a that's a heck of point. That'sa good! That's kind of the Bi way to look at it, not being dismissabble, butyou're. Also, like that's kind of the thing that we, the other ship, doesn'treally matter like I fuck, even if it Wasn' Ith a TAC brod. What can we doabout it? FICKING WT? What we did about it was wee panic, flipped out andnearly created freaking yeah made it worse. Yeah, that's a SA Promid, that's that's exactly whigh t and we,you know, I think, that's as a fundamental. We have to amit and that'swhy I'm saying that I'm not saying 'm,...

I see separately from society, I'msaying as we there's not saying I'm not saying you did or anyone else did, I'msaying we as a society did we did together. We feel together. You know wejust feel to I just like you know. We feel tour ancestors went to wars andyou know fourt for our freedoms, and you know when I you know in Pakistan.Obviously you know obviously clearly my ancestor would havefought for wars toget our freedom literally from you know. When back when God, all English was,you know taking allr the Worl, England was Siking Oth the work, and you knowthat was a thing and you know, and then they did those kind of things or we hadto do with to stay home and just sort of not get too too annoyed, and justsort of you know support each other, but we couldn't do that. So there's that and then, on top with that,you know, media media is just pushing everything, pushing medias, just feaking, seeingeverything this is an opportunity to just do: Go an outrage of making moneyright now. So that's also. Once again, you know, I feel, disappointed in myfriends who I went to union with whoare Jeunalists, and then you know I youknow I a just like well what happened to you, idealism, Shit and you knowbecause that what you gounlists have come down to you know, but then againyou know the the that's. What makes money and so the sad thing is and nthisis way. You know I never like blaming the capitalist society becauseeveryone's, like, oh you, know, capitalist societyis. The issue is notthe issue: It's people who live in the capitalizedsociety at the issue just like how racism is not an issue right, thit's,not th, the minority is not the problem. Never is you know people keep saying weneed to. We need to stop. We need to stop being racist when you stop beingracist and you know who was it wasn't Nelson Mandella who said or so? Oh No,it was a Mogan Freeman who said that hi is the best way to confused now, howsthat for Resi he said the best way well avoid racism.If we stop talking about racism, AH, why do we need to talk about like thtalideueion on the IE black history month or something like that? And it's likeWhi Whydo? Why do we segre Peit to a month like? Why isn't it yeah TS, Rightatyeah? And it's like you know in the art,there's a big Pu, yeah yeah in making movies, there's a big push on makingsure there's different different kinds of people in in movies? So it's notjust by people right and my only problem with that. Is these. You peopleare just doing it for the sake of it. Like it's just a it's a talk, you know,you'd be a movie and ther is a talking talking black person and taken Asianperson that I and no I'm supposed to acceptthat. I can't accept that because I think that I don't even enjoy the movieanymore, then I'm like fucking. His is shit. It's like you. I don't know ifyou remember watching Flash Locklan, yeahsure, yeah and okay, so incomixIrish was meant to be white. The cager Wyt, the black WES black lady go. Youknow she was a great actor, but I was just annoyed. I ws like I don't acceptthat because the comics would written was it. We, the freaking white person,just Writi, you new stories with different people, yeah, except they hadthe same. Like you look at the ghostbusses, they recrated with a womencast, I mean whatever or good. It was terrible. It wasn't funny at all.That's really the most important thing, and even more so in terms of so interms of like ladyship of business or politics, there's a lot of sportingthere's a lot of sporting bodies, even district in, like even low level, so ofvolunter base level kind of exporting administration whowan a certain amount of people in there, and I love diversity. Absolutely that's!STRAYIS build off, but you've got to get qualified people. You can't just begiving things out to people because to make the numbers up belore. We needthree three of this three that like it, the best people need to be there. It'sthe same with it's quite of the same with governmentlike a white white. You know why we had...

Dulia, yellow buts like why we had afemale prime minister. Well one. Obviously there certainly is like anold school mentality with a lot of those guys, but two ro women are justsparted after realize it's a free and stupid thing on to get into. I don'tknow what it is like it. We shouldn't just beget ING Salmin there, becauseyou know I'll. Let take the box off it. Tho IV, as the best person for it andlike it's kind of I guess, theres probably started with some good intent,but to include people and to kind of you know, maybe it's obviously easy for me Thee's awhat got to say I, but to you know to maybe bring closto people wi certainpeople, certain groups, Hav, felt dishided or felt like they've had badyou now just Hav been just because of the way they are then absolutely butkind of in that mission to kind of evil, even other playing fields. People arejust going crazy and people are just geving trouble now for doing yeah, soit's just a but that this olt happened before povid right. So it's no surprisethat for the first same Ma doing that you know those same people, the onesbuying suttarly tol, Tam Pon, just not yes! So, and it's like a hundredpercent- and you know, there's okay M. I don't want to bring otherpolitical issues into this, but I just want to mention one more thing. Soeveryone's been saying how allthe leaders- okay this is- I got to bereally careful how I phrase this because my intentions here really good.At least I think they're good right so so everyone's been saying how all theall the countries with female prime inisters have been doing great right,because look at everyone keeps on saying, look at Jcinda from Newstocinta.That's a name right to sin: Tha from Queennew, Nezeland, she's, doing agreat job, she's doing an incredible job hundred percent agreed, and I don'tthink it has anything to do with the fact that she's, a woman or she's a manor she's not right. I think she just a really good leader. That's it is thatthen fiin a lap yeah, the Primeminstroff Newzland, I think she's, just a brilliant leader.I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that she's, a woman orshe if she's, not a man or whatever right, I think, she's, just aphenomenal red leader and hes. Not You cannot fault her she's beautiful as aperson. She talks to a people like she cares about them. Yeah she just careabout them. She cares about her people and she, you know and she's prisonLibal and she you know she even took a paycat, because everyone's updisappontint sshe's a really good leader, and I can't falter at all- andI think she's- probably one of the best prime ministers in the world right now,but I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that whether she's womanor not just like how it has nothing to do with the fact that some prime lister,maybe a shitleader that, if he's a man, I think it's just if you're a goodleader or not a good leader, that's all yeah! So I think that's reallyinteresting, but yet we kin everyone keeps IC keepsing, memes, all the beep,all the prime nister. All the countries with memen female prime ministers aredoing better, maybe there's a chance. They might be doing better, becausewomen are really good at understanding situations better than sometimesbecause men are a little bit more. You know once again, I'm generalizing O.I suppose this generalizing, but you know men are usually more. They don't see the fine like they don'tunderstand the fine truth of things that maybe right, yeah mor more singllyfocused and more yeah wabl to process more. So maybe that might be true, butI think they also just good leaders has nothing to do with the fact that theymight be women. I think we, I think they just good leasures, so you can'ttake away from them that they now great leader. So I think by actually sayingthat they wuld theyr good leaders, because the women you actually doingthe you undoing the whole good that we've done by putting this brilliantleader in this in you know, in in a situation where she's able to help thecountry, but just saying well, she's only doing good, because she's, a womanwhech is rinning everything yeah hundred percent yeah your deep Valu. Heyou think that you're trying to poster it up and it's yeah what I was goingback to like going back to way society view like the Wos duscrepanies and Ofor a long time, women pouldn't even vote in Australia like t therecertainly was that sort of thing going...

...on, so people are trying to kint of countof that by going the other way. But what you just said there, even thoughyou felt like you needed to apologize or you needed to be careful of what yousaid, you didn't say anything even close to role or something you sh uld.I believe you Shouldi that Yoeven have to say that before you say somethinglike that, because what you said it was so true and so spot on. It's not evenevailable, but I guess we do live in a society and you want people to knowthat you're being mot tentin for being vice, and I do the same thing as well,but like ultimately, that sort of thing for me is but like PA, that kind ofcommenset. So the point where it's laughable, that it's even discussed youknow it' Trind of Rummer, that same story we're talking about with thatlady who was getting that making boddy did Hav for like lunch breakfast for ahusband because he worked two jobs and everything else, yeah Ye. That's right!Think it's like wellwe have to kind of go there, because that sort of partlofssociety still exist and yeah o yeah. But you know kind of goes back to goFort Circle. Maybe this is the kind of the highlilership today show. The topicis Human Nacture Yeah? That's IT MEA need to yeah. So you know, I think, yeah a good ret oI Wasgonna I was holding back tothat. I was like you know what they could agood episode. I guess I guess our PROMIS ES. To behonest. I suppose people are listening. Yeah I mean that's. It meant like wefeel like we're, not we're not in a position right now, where we o we'renot influenced by anyone. We don't have to worry about what we say: We're goodpeople. We have good heart, so we just need to speak from the truth and Ithink that's what people like IIT's, not just not tit's, not just withotjust being this is what people really thinking and feeling so yeah its verygood, my brother, that's it Thiss, a quite emotionalepisode. Actually yeah. I fel had this business. You know you've had to pullback few LAYSO, that Ongan Yoars Mat, but now Taon appreciateas its was it. I really appreciate the fact that youthought that I was avoiding this yeah okayit's. Okay, I mean I was were closebecause if you had to said do about it, I was gonna. Let it go thut, I'm like.I only said it because I went on a rain for like five minutes and I felt likefine. I felt like I citd AF, just Bayo, a dear fi likeshi was good. I was justlike I was like m like I wanted you to talk, because just because I wantted tosit back and I'm not butthis is going to ran but which is good now. This isgood. This his been a really good episode. I think it's been a veryhonest and very very from hartfelt episode, which is kind of Nice and sortof what wer going through as the society and some of the things thatwe're not going through, but we're being forced to go through. Yeah Anymi often will finish on this, but,like I, I don't want to address certain topics. I don't want to talk aboutcertain things. I don't want to almost go into a state of like you're notgoing into negativeity, but you're kind of talking about negative things,because I just want to be positive, but I do feel like I'm just putting offPositi vibes, but sometimes at the end of TDAY. You just got to be honest andwou've got to call something out. If you feel a certain way, you can' bondit up so yeah beauteifully don my brother push up for sure. Now before wego, I want to. I want to read out a court which is a really nice cout, thatI read the other day and I thought trobaly hit me heavy in a good way. Hitme heavy, so he this is a caut by Fatrick, nisue, Wis, a philosopher,Righe, bulliant, brilliant, photographer, p. philosopher right, this is it's one of those people. Who'ssaid some things he's a German philosopher and he's sumoned, some ofthe things that he said. You know you here and you go. This is some. This istruth to life right and then you hear that and you can really take thosethings on board. So his court goes to live, is to suffer to survive, is tofind meaning in the suffering to Tenou. To live and read it. A readout again tolive is to suffer to survive, is to find some meaning in suffering in thesuffering. So one mor Tim ocay on Wan. I read it otone more time because I think it's not enough twice. Yeah to live is to suffer to survive, tofind some meaning in the suffering yeah,...

...because we all be all ter throughitthat strength you get from the suffering that it's your meaning absolutely anyway. So in that note, I just want to not thatyou know we may all be going through some really. We may be all sufferingright and some sense, but I think it's important to remember out ofsuffering out of chaos comes beautiful things, yeah emen, iaen bother. That's what'shappened throughout history. That's going to happen here again. We justneed to stay in the game. truty ever one nice tell your friends, family andIV. It's o strangers that you love Hem, just tol from a socially distance areaand, of course anything we did say today. It's all allegations were we're not upfor a ILITTE AL cases now for the no for the court cases up forthe podcast all right. This has been clever Dumni'sepisode, number twelve checkers out, of course, on spotify apple podcast. Thankyou for listening. If you've made it the way through check out a few of theother episodes, I think you'll kind of like the other topics we covered andkind of how, with developings as a program and Aes a show and, of coursefollowus on socials and yeah, just just be nice to yourselve to be a nicedayveryone else and just being a person, be a goodmotorfacter as Isic betefor Wer sa Shoutud to him, Hes Body meant hotcomin, yeah it' goanyway. Thank you so muchfor listening guys, Lockin ill play some music. I guess let you guys takeiuby.

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